Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

[The Light]

I weary of people who misuse Scripture.
"God hath not appointed us to wrath" has no relation to the rapture. In context it is speaking of the salvation of our souls.

The Word is talking about the times and seasons not about receiving Christ as savior.

Paul is saying that we know perfectly well that the day of the Lord comes as a thief

1 Thessalonians 5
4 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

He goes on to say that that day will not take us as a thief.

What day is not going to take us as a thief??????? The day of the Lord which occurs at the end of God wrath.

We are told to watch. Why are we watching? We are watching for the return of the Lord. We are watching for the bridegroom so the day of the Lord does not take us as a thief.

1 Thessalonians 5
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

Matthew 24
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

So whether you know it or not, these verses are talking about the Lord coming as a thief before the day of the Lord. Those that watch and are ready will be raptured as we are not appointed to wrath.

 

[JimKnox]

Where is the Pretrib rapture of the Church, followed by your 7 year tribulation, followed by a 3rd coming?

1 Thessalonians 4:15-5:7 says: “we which are alive and remain unto the coming [Gr. parousia] of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words. But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden [Gr. aifnídios meaning suddenly] destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ. Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.”

We can see from the wording of the text that this passage is describing one unitary event. Paul correlates the rescue of God's people after coming of the Lord, with the pouring out of the wrath of God upon the wicked at the same time. He was talking to Christians here in Thessaloniki and expressing the same comfort for the same overall climatic event. He is assuring God’s people that this day when Christ comes as a thief in the night will not catch them unexpected. They will not be sleeping. They will be awake. He is exhorting them to “watch and be sober.”

You are funnier than Scooby Doo. I wrote 3 sentences.
Show me where I said 7 year tribulation or 3rd coming.

Oh that's right!!!! I didn't.
So now you need to repent for lying.

 

[Earburner]

Clearly walking on the mount is not the same as returning from heaven and splitting the mount in half with a great valley in the middle.

Awww,...now look at what you have gone and done!!!
You keep forgetting to copy my full post along with your reply. In case the audience might want to know, it is on page 17, post #332.

 

[Truth7t7]

There ya go.
Run along now.

Why the sarcasm against a God fearing Christian?

 

[Truth7t7]

I agree.
I see the tribulation increasing in tribulation as time moves on. Surely the 4 horsemen create a tribulation when one reads the description...war, famine, pestilence, poverty, 1/4 of the population dies....but when the Antichrist sits in the temple and declares himself as god I see an increase of tribulation. Some consider this increased tribulations as the GREAT tribulation portion of the 7 year tribulation.

Many put the future (Man Of Sin) (The Beast) as the ruler of earth during the 3.5 year tribulation "wrong"!

It will be God's (Two Witnesses) that rule in bringing all plagues in torturing the evil world, a literal remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt, God's in control!

Revelation 11:3-6 & 10KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

The Future (Two Witnesses) "All Plagues" As Often As They Will Representing "God"

Revelation 16:1-11KJV
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

 

[WPM]

You are funnier than Scooby Doo. I wrote 3 sentences.
Show me where I said 7 year tribulation or 3rd coming.

Oh that's right!!!! I didn't.
So now you need to repent for lying.

Ahhh!

So, how long is the trib? And, oh, you agree with us Amils: the next time Jesus comes that is it? That is the end?

 

[WPM]

The Word is talking about the times and seasons not about receiving Christ as savior.

Paul is saying that we know perfectly well that the day of the Lord comes as a thief

1 Thessalonians 5
4 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

He goes on to say that that day will not take us as a thief.

What day is not going to take us as a thief??????? The day of the Lord which occurs at the end of God wrath.

We are told to watch. Why are we watching? We are watching for the return of the Lord. We are watching for the bridegroom so the day of the Lord does not take us as a thief.

1 Thessalonians 5
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

Matthew 24
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

So whether you know it or not, these verses are talking about the Lord coming as a thief before the day of the Lord. Those that watch and are ready will be raptured as we are not appointed to wrath.

• The reason you ignore the questions is because they expose your thesis.
• The reason you ignore the rebuttals is because they expose your thesis.

This is more proof that your error is a Jesuit invention.

 

[ewq1938]

You keep forgetting to copy my full post along with your reply. In case the audience might want to know, it is on page 17, post #332.

There is an arrow thing people cn click on to see the post replied to. Any part of a post can be responded to or not. As long as nothing is misreprsented or changed, there's nothing wrong.

You keep avoiding the points made that show your interpretation is wrong and that's because it is wrong. Did Rev 19 happen when Jesus was walking around the land in the 1st century too?