What happened to the 10 toes in Daniel 2?

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The 4th is destroyed before the 3 first kingdoms are allowed to continue so they are not under the 4th kingdom at all. There is nothing about the 4th kingdom continuing in any form at all. That's added to the text by those who think it was Rome, and how the RCC was in power after but none of that matches the text by Daniel. People want it to have been Rome sop badly, they literally force it all into the text.

Dan 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
Dan 7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

Dominion not taken away until after the 4th is gone.




Just as it is written.
Who is the 4th kingdom?
 

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The 4th is destroyed before the 3 first kingdoms are allowed to continue so they are not under the 4th kingdom at all. There is nothing about the 4th kingdom continuing in any form at all. That's added to the text by those who think it was Rome, and how the RCC was in power after but none of that matches the text by Daniel. People want it to have been Rome sop badly, they literally force it all into the text.

Dan 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
Dan 7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

Dominion not taken away until after the 4th is gone.




Just as it is written.
Okay
 

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Who is the 4th kingdom?

The first question you are really needing to ask is, "What entity type are the four beasts and the Little Horn of Daniel 7:1-12?"

The second question you are really needing to ask is, "Can these particular five beast entities exercise influence over people groups, nations and empires, to perform their respective beastly dominate characteristics, just like Satan can?

The third question that you are really needing to ask is, " How do the respective beastly entities, hide themselves so that they generally remain hidden from view for humanity such that we attribute their respective activities to people groups, nations and empires instead of the respective beasts themselves?

If we can answer these three questions honestly, will our created theological constructs improve our understanding of how God is in control of all that is happening in this world right at this very moment?
 

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The 4th is destroyed before the 3 first kingdoms are allowed to continue so they are not under the 4th kingdom at all. There is nothing about the 4th kingdom continuing in any form at all. That's added to the text by those who think it was Rome, and how the RCC was in power after but none of that matches the text by Daniel. People want it to have been Rome sop badly, they literally force it all into the text.

Dan 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
Dan 7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

Dominion not taken away until after the 4th is gone.




Just as it is written.
Daniel 7 is not a stand alone prophecy. Daniel 2 formed the framework for all subsequent prophecies, and if your interpretation of Daniel 7 contradicts Daniel 2, then you have made a mistake. In Daniel 2, the iron of the 4th kingdom continues from the hips all the way down to the toes and isn't destroyed until the second coming. It is mingled with clay at some time during its life, changing its nature from a secular pagan kingdom as pagan Rome was, to Religio/ political kingdom in the form of the papacy. The clay represents the church in the NT. When the church joined with the state forming an unnatural union, it spelled the eventual demise of both.
 

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The first question you are really needing to ask is, "What entity type are the four beasts and the Little Horn of Daniel 7:1-12?"
Question answered by the angel himself who named 3 of them, Babylon, Medo/Persia, and Greece, stating categorically that they were all 4 kings that would arise in the earth.