Believers who affair then marry are ongoing adulterers yet still saved ?

[PeterAndroz]

Agreed, but let's really, I mean really look at the word repent!

Metanoia (Repent): The Response the Kingdom Demands

Mark 1:15 summarizes Jesus’s opening proclamation: The time is fulfilled, and the Kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the Gospel. Jesus calls for a two-part response: repent and believe. The second is familiar. The first is almost always misunderstood.

The Greek word translated repent is metanoia. In the Gospels, the verb (Mark 1:15 has metanoeite) describes a turning or reorientation. New Testament usage carries more than any breakdown of the word’s parts: a turning of the whole person, mind, allegiance, conduct, and hope. Metanoia is not primarily an emotional experience of guilt or remorse, though it may involve those.

It is a total reorientation of mind and life, a fundamental shift in how you see reality, what you value, what you live for, what you expect.

The call to metanoia in response to the Kingdom proclamation makes perfect sense. If the Kingdom of God is arriving, if God’s reign is genuinely breaking into the world and displacing every other order, then the entire framework by which a person has been operating becomes obsolete. The assumption that Rome is permanent becomes obsolete.

The assumption that the powerful are the winners becomes obsolete. The assumption that death has the last word becomes obsolete. The assumption that the way things are is the way things must be becomes obsolete. Everything changes when the Kingdom arrives, and metanoia is the internal revolution that corresponds to the external one.

The call to repent is inseparable from the announcement of the Kingdom, and reducing repentance to a transaction of guilt and forgiveness misses its full scope. Jesus is not primarily calling people to feel bad about their past. He is calling them to reorder their entire existence around a new reality that has just arrived. That reordering, the ongoing, lifelong, community-shaping transformation, is the life of the Kingdom.

In some influential forms of Western evangelicalism, metanoia has been narrowed to feeling sorry for one’s sins and praying to accept Christ. Those elements contain real truth; the trouble is not their presence but their detachment from the Kingdom that gives them their size. When that happens, discipleship is often reduced as well.

What follows growth in character, a reordering of priorities, engagement with the poor, and resistance to the surrounding culture’s assumptions about power and success becomes optional. These elements mark a deeper commitment rather than the foundational aspects of Kingdom life.

In Jesus’s proclamation, metanoia (a change of mind or heart) is the first step in a continuous process of reorientation. Money, relationships, vocation, political allegiance, and the use of time all come under the authority of a different King. This is not merely a high standard added to the Gospel; it is what the Gospel announcement itself demands.

Did GOD sin thereby having to REPENT ?
Exo 32:14
And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

 

[PeterAndroz]

relying on that kind of faith , the faith while doing bad deeds and not repenting , did you say it is risky .
FRIEND IT IS more than risky , IT IS NOT TRUE FAITH and i should KNOW i was once one of the worst .
Anyone claiming to BELIEVE ON JESUS
and yet walking in sin daily , and wont repent and only uses HIS GOSPEL as a means to JUSTIFY
why THEY ARE SAVED and yet STILL LOVE SIN . OH my friend , That one DOES NOT KNOW HIM
or BELEIVE HIM .
Cause as i wrote afore and above , BELIEVERS HAVE THE HOLY GHOST
and the HOLY GHOST dont lead us into SIN and lies
IT CONVICTS US of sin . These scenarios that some of these people do bring us
BRINGS A HUGE alert and red flag to ME .
WHY would they DO THIS
WHY would anyone try and tone down sin and make it seem like somehow
these adulterers would still be saved IN SIN .
The judge not crowd has grown massive my friend and many do come to try and plant doubts .
MANY just desire to hear FOLKS agree with them , cause the more that agree with them
the MORE THEY THINK they must be right in what they do beleive .
AS FOR ME , IF ITS WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE , THAT BE WHAT I BELEIVE
and if it is contrary to what is written , WELL ITS NOT BELEIVED .

Do you repent EVERY time you sin ?
eg 2nd greatest commandment "love your neighbor as yourself"
When you see a person that you suspect is homeless do you take them home with you ?

 

[PeterAndroz]

And now a word , a reminder to us all .
IF one has been sealed
OH i say if one truly does believe
WOULD they NOT have had the HOLY SPIRIT .
And what does the HOLY SPIRIT DO . DOES IT HONOR SIN , DOES IT JUSIFTY SIN
OR DOES IT CONVICT US OF SIN . and the answer is the last one .
IF one remains in sin , WHERE WAS THE HOLY GHOST . The goodness of GOD leads TO REPENTANCE
and not to the justfication and ACcEPTANCE OF SIN .
WHERE IS THE HOLY GHOST . the scenario that man left us IS REAL BAD and HIGHLY DANGEROUS my friend .
And it sure makes me THINK , WHERE IS THE HOLY SPIRIT in teh author OF THIS POST .
WHERE is the conviction . and why always the idea its okay IF we walked in sin and even died in sin .
THAT is not a good sign . NOT by a long shot .
IT sounds to me as THIS writer is only making excuse for sin and is a champoin of the judge not
crowd . IF we truly BELIEVE then do we not have THE HOLY GHOST .
AND IF WE HAVE the HOLY GHOST , IT WOULD convict us of sin .

""And now a word , a reminder to us all .
IF one has been sealed""
..
List the verses where Paul teaches how we are HS sealed

 

[Pierac]

Did GOD sin thereby having to REPENT ?
Exo 32:14
And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.

Well Peter... two can play at this scripture game...

Can you, Peter, choose to be saved? Can you choose Jesus the Christ as your Savior?

NASB Joh 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.

Analytical Literal Version Joh 6:44 "No one is able to come to Me unless the Father having sent Me draws [or, drags] him, and _I_ will raise him up in the last day.

NET Joh 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him,66 and I will raise him up at the last day.
66 tn Or "attracts him," or "pulls him." The word is used of pulling or dragging, often by force. It is even used once of magnetic attraction (A. Oepke, TDNT 2:503).

sn The Father who sent me draws him. The author never specifically explains what this "drawing" consists of. It is evidently some kind of attraction; whether it is binding and irresistible or not is not mentioned. But there does seem to be a parallel with Joh_6:65, where Jesus says that no one is able to come to him unless the Father has allowed it. This apparently parallels the use of Isaiah by John to reflect the spiritual blindness of the Jewish leaders (see the quotations from Isaiah in Joh_9:41 and Joh_12:39-40).

NASB Joh 17:2 even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life.

Analytical Literal Version Joh 17:2 "Just as You gave to Him authority [over] all flesh, so that every [one] You have given to Him, He will give to them eternal life.

Pay attention Peter!!!

NASB Act 13:48 When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.

Peter... scripture is clear... appointment precedes belief!

NASB Jer 10:23 I know, O LORD, that a man's way is not in himself, Nor is it in a man who walks to direct his steps.

Net Bible Jer 10:23 LORD, we know that people do not control their own destiny. It is not in their power to determine what will happen to them.

ESV Rom 9:15 For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. 19 You will say to me then, "Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?" 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, "Why have you made me like this?" 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable
use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory-- 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? 25 As indeed he says in Hosea, "Those who were not my people I will call 'my people,' and her who was not beloved I will call 'beloved.'"

So Peter... it depends not on human or (Peter's) will or exertion

NASB 2 Th 2:13 But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.

So who is written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the World....

Mat 7:22 On that day, many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, didn't we prophesy in your name, and in your name cast out demons and do many powerful deeds?' 23 Then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you. Go away from me, you lawbreakers!'

Peter.... how many not written in the above scriptures will hear these words from Jesus above....?

Do not be afraid, Peter... God is Love... Yet you don't understand what you have just read above because: There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love. 1Jo 4:18

Many are called, but few are chosen!

We don't get to choose Peter, neither you, or me. Think about this post for a while. It's not what you hear in Church!

So where does Repent fit in the above verses for both you and I?

 

[PeterAndroz]

Well Peter... two can play at this scripture game...

Can you, Peter, choose to be saved? Can you choose Jesus the Christ as your Savior?

NASB Joh 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.

Analytical Literal Version Joh 6:44 "No one is able to come to Me unless the Father having sent Me draws [or, drags] him, and _I_ will raise him up in the last day.

NET Joh 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him,66 and I will raise him up at the last day.
66 tn Or "attracts him," or "pulls him." The word is used of pulling or dragging, often by force. It is even used once of magnetic attraction (A. Oepke, TDNT 2:503).

sn The Father who sent me draws him. The author never specifically explains what this "drawing" consists of. It is evidently some kind of attraction; whether it is binding and irresistible or not is not mentioned. But there does seem to be a parallel with Joh_6:65, where Jesus says that no one is able to come to him unless the Father has allowed it. This apparently parallels the use of Isaiah by John to reflect the spiritual blindness of the Jewish leaders (see the quotations from Isaiah in Joh_9:41 and Joh_12:39-40).

NASB Joh 17:2 even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life.

Analytical Literal Version Joh 17:2 "Just as You gave to Him authority [over] all flesh, so that every [one] You have given to Him, He will give to them eternal life.

Pay attention Peter!!!

NASB Act 13:48 When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.

Peter... scripture is clear... appointment precedes belief!

NASB Jer 10:23 I know, O LORD, that a man's way is not in himself, Nor is it in a man who walks to direct his steps.

Net Bible Jer 10:23 LORD, we know that people do not control their own destiny. It is not in their power to determine what will happen to them.

ESV Rom 9:15 For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth." 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. 19 You will say to me then, "Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?" 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, "Why have you made me like this?" 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable
use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory-- 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? 25 As indeed he says in Hosea, "Those who were not my people I will call 'my people,' and her who was not beloved I will call 'beloved.'"

So Peter... it depends not on human or (Peter's) will or exertion

NASB 2 Th 2:13 But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.

So who is written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the World....

Mat 7:22 On that day, many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, didn't we prophesy in your name, and in your name cast out demons and do many powerful deeds?' 23 Then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you. Go away from me, you lawbreakers!'

Peter.... how many not written in the above scriptures will hear these words from Jesus above....?

Do not be afraid, Peter... God is Love... Yet you don't understand what you have just read above because: There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love. 1Jo 4:18

Many are called, but few are chosen!

We don't get to choose Peter, neither you, or me. Think about this post for a while. It's not what you hear in Church!

So where does Repent fit in the above verses for both you and I?

According to the 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 Gospel that Gal 1:11-12 Christ taught to ONLY Paul
I AM saved, AM HS sealed because I place my faith, trust, belief in ONLY the death, burial, resurrection of Christ and NOT anything I do
Titus 3:5-7, Gal 2:16, Eph 2:8-9, Rom 3:28, Rom 4:5, Rom 5:1
.
Now tell us how you are saved ?

 

[Armour of God]

3rd time :)
What is your response to this :-
""I believe good deeds are required,""
Is that a requirement to be 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 SAVED&SEALED according to Paul ?
Titus 3:5-7
Gal 2:16
Eph 2:8-9
Rom 3:24
Rom 4:5
Rom 5:1

Peter my friend we've had this conversation before. There is no need to have it again.

I'd rather be safe, do good deeds and repent for my sins. If I'm wrong and faith alone is all that's needed then im still saved. I'm comfortable with that

 

[PeterAndroz]

Peter my friend we've had this conversation before. There is no need to have it again.

I'd rather be safe, do good deeds and repent for my sins. If I'm wrong and faith alone is all that's needed then im still saved. I'm comfortable with that

Where does Paul teach that 'performance' is a condition to be saved & HS sealed ?
1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 - NO
Titus 3:5-7, Gal 2:16, Eph 2:8-9, Rom 3:28, Rom 4:5, Rom 5:1 - NO
List the Pauline verses that you believe teach 'PERFORMANCE' is a requirement

 

[Armour of God]

Where does Paul teach that 'performance' is a condition to be saved & HS sealed ?
1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 - NO
Titus 3:5-7, Gal 2:16, Eph 2:8-9, Rom 3:28, Rom 4:5, Rom 5:1 - NO
List the Pauline verses that you believe teach 'PERFORMANCE' is a requirement

Peter I've done this with you before.

I have faith and I choose to do good deeds and repent for my sins.
I don't understand your objection to that

 

[PeterAndroz]

Peter I've done this with you before.

I have faith and I choose to do good deeds and repent for my sins.
I don't understand your objection to that

""and I choose to do good deeds and repent for my sins.""
GREAT, yet are you doing that to REMAIN saved & HS sealed ?
ps what would happen if you died during sin & did not have time to repent ??? !!

 

[Armour of God]

""and I choose to do good deeds and repent for my sins.""
GREAT, yet are you doing that to REMAIN saved & HS sealed ?
ps what would happen if you died during sin & did not have time to repent ??? !!

I don't know Peter.
What I do know is that your obsessed with preaching the faith alone belief.

 

[PeterAndroz]

I don't know Peter.
What I do know is that your obsessed with preaching the faith alone belief.

You don't know because you have been HAMMERED with must do this, don't do that etc etc etc
And where does that 'confusion' come from ? Blending the teachings of ALL ages & audiences.
Christ chose Paul for today Acts 9:15, Rom 11:13:, Rom 15:16
Christ Gal 1:11-12 uniquely taught the saving Gospel 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 for today to Paul
Paul Gal 2:2 had to explain that Gospel to Peter etc
Later Gal 2:7-9 they agreed who went to who
Paul teaches the 'performance' requirements to be saved & HS sealed NONE
Titus 3:5-7, Gal 2:16, Eph 2:8-9, Rom 3:28, Rom 4:5, Rom 5:1
Paul also taught that your 'performance' will be judged/rewards/loss yet you REMAIN saved
1 Cor 3:11-15, 2 Cor 5:11
Read & accept those verses then BANG the confusion disappears

 

[amigo de christo]

Do you repent EVERY time you sin ?
eg 2nd greatest commandment "love your neighbor as yourself"
When you see a person that you suspect is homeless do you take them home with you ?

To live in and justify sin is deadly . All sin should be warned against and corrected .
Adultery is sin and no amount of word play can change that fact .
SO if a man puts away his wife , cept for fornication and then marrys another , they live in adultery .
No amount of word play can change that fact . So my advice is rather than
trying to overlook sin and error we simply correct it . I see lots of word play from thee my friend .
And from this generation due to the judge not correct not card , leaven has taken over
and now much evil is called good and good called evil . And now even more and more
also accept UNBELIEF and even the very gospel is not tolerated .
But this is what happens when leaven is not corrected , IT GROWS .

 

[amigo de christo]

""And now a word , a reminder to us all .
IF one has been sealed""
..
List the verses where Paul teaches how we are HS sealed

What would you do if i told you that faith in another jesus
is rampant now in these very late and very last hours .
That jesus cannot save . Nor does it give the HOLY SPIRIT
unto its followers .
Ye shall know them by their fruits .
THE FRUIT of the SPIRIT is in all righteousness , godliness and TRUTH
proving what is ACCEPTABLE to GOD all mighty . AND SIN AINT .
The fruit of the wicked .................IS TO SIN and the candel of the wicked shall be PUT OUT .
Those who walk in sin day in and day out follow NOT the SPIRIT
but at most another jesus . ADULTERY IS SIN . And no amount of word play
from thee can change that fact .
A sheep would be CONVICTED of sin , not justifying sin . And adultery is SIN .