Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

[amigo de christo]

The moment you received CHRIST your ticket for Tribulation was punched.

How much Tribulation and in what ways for your growth, is under God's Control = John 16:31-33

Do you finally believe?” Jesus replied.
“Look, an hour is coming and has already come when you will be scattered, each to his own home, and you will leave Me all alone.
Yet I am not alone, because the Father is with Me.
I have told you these things so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation.
But take courage; I have overcome the world!”

Better to suffer and die for Christ than to live for a lie .
Better folks understand real quickly that as The world hated JESUS it will his saints .
And if they have done that unto HIM , THEY WILL DO UNTO his saints .
The servant is NOT above HIS MASTER . If they have persecuted ME they will YOU .
JESUS prepared his own for tribulation and to suffer for HIM .
This generation prepares them for a lie . And the mark many will take .
And as perseuctions increase MANY will sell out . Believing NO WAY GOD would allow
such a thing to come upon them . And more so many of them will believe
THIS peace plan and will believe it to be OF GOD and even suckle down the mark
as something GOOD and necessary FOR WORLD peace . BELEIVING it never was the mark
and believing the ones being persecuted WERE never of GOD . Cause GOD just would not allow
tribulation to come upon the sheep . THIS GENERATION has been DUPED bad david .
REAL bad . and now are being prepared unto the peace of anti christ and soon the mark of the beast .

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Your Claim Is "False"

You're a post tribber ....okay. I was a Mid-Trib/ pre-wrath adherent for a long time ( believing that the 7th trumpet was the last) and so obviously stuff happens before and after . Lately, I've been leaning towards a pre-trib view and so answered the question, If the Rapture happens before the GT, then ...
Here's why? The Anti-Christ is not revealed and does not take control UNTIL THE RESTRAINER IS TAKEN OUT OF THE WAY. THE RESTRAINER IS THE HOLY SPIRIT. Since we are the Temple of the Holy Spirit, that means the Church must be gone too.
Many verses however conflict with both Pre-Trib and Post Trib views... but don't care to argue, so have it your way

 

[PeterAndroz]

You're a post tribber ....okay. I was a Mid-Trib/ pre-wrath adherent for a long time ( believing that the 7th trumpet was the last) and so obviously stuff happens before and after . Lately, I've been leaning towards a pre-trib view and so answered the question, If the Rapture happens before the GT, then ...
Here's why? The Anti-Christ is not revealed and does not take control UNTIL THE RESTRAINER IS TAKEN OUT OF THE WAY. THE RESTRAINER IS THE HOLY SPIRIT. Since we are the Temple of the Holy Spirit, that means the Church must be gone too.
Many verses however conflict with both Pre-Trib and Post Trib views... but don't care to argue, so have it your way

Hey RDB.
I'm a long time pre-trib and here's why :-
In the trib believers can lose their salvation eg by taking the MOTB, failing at Matt 25:44-46
We are currently before the trib, what actions does Paul teach that we can do that will cause us to become UNsaved & UNsealed ?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Your Claim In Bold Red Above Is "False", Isaiah 11:8 represents (The Eternal Kingdom) in the New Heaven and Earth, Not A Mortal Kingdom On This Earth

Isaiah Chapters 11 & 65 Is The Eternal Kingdom In The New Heaven And Earth, Not A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth​

Isaiah Chapters 11 & 65 Is The Very Same Place, The Eternal Kingdom, In The New Heaven And Earth, Don't Be Deceived By Claims This Represents A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth

Same Wolf & Lamb Together, And Lion Eating Straw Like The Bullock/Ox, In The Eternal Kingdom, In The New Heaven And Earth

(For, Behold, I Create New Heavens And A New Earth)

Isaiah 65:17-18 & 25KJV
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.

25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.

Isaiah 11:6-8KJV
6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.

I agree with all the scriptures - just put them in a different time frame. You see them and read literally - me too. But then you take Rev. 20:1-10 an something in your brain switches to some spiritualized symbolic program. What happened to reading it literally? Anyways, I don't care to argue with an Amillennialist .

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

if I'm reading you correctly is that if you are not producing fruit you will be left behind.
I'm not arguing if you're right or wrong, but is there any biblical support for that belief?

Jesus hints at how to recognize believers: "By their fruit, you will know them". The fruit of the Spirit is kindness, goodness, joy, love, peace, patience, self control, gentleness, faith. Also, not just our actions but our words testify and confirm that Jesus is Lord. A non-believer cannot truthfully claim that unless they have the Spirit.

 

[PeterAndroz]

Jesus hints at how to recognize believers: "By their fruit, you will know them". The fruit of the Spirit is kindness, goodness, joy, love, peace, patience, self control, gentleness, faith. Also, not just our actions but our words testify and confirm that Jesus is Lord. A non-believer cannot truthfully claim that unless they have the Spirit.

""A non-believer cannot truthfully claim that unless they have the Spirit.""
What verses do you believe teach how a person today receives the HS seal ?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Hey RDB.
I'm a long time pre-trib and here's why :-
In the trib believers can lose their salvation eg by taking the MOTB, failing at Matt 25:44-46
We are currently before the trib, what actions does Paul teach that we can do that will cause us to become UNsaved & UNsealed ?

I adhere to OSAS. We are sealed by the Holy Spirit and therefore cannot lose our salvation; nor would we choose the mark of the Beast - only reprobates do.
In Matthew 25:44-46, Jesus is speaking to Jews who during their lives rejected him and Chrìstians. They did not love Christians. Jesus said if you helped them, you helped me. In another passage the Jews argue, Did not we prophecy and heal in your name, Lord? Non-believing Gentiles did not do that, only Jews did. They had knowledge of God, the God of Abraham, Isaac , Jacob and Moses - they just did not think He was Jesus!
That said, A remnant Jewish population will be saved (Romans 11 confirms that); but many will not be. It will be those pleading in the end for their lives. Or course, when every eye sees Him, they will know and mourn their big mistake; but then I guess it's too late.

 

[TribulationSigns]

In the trib believers can lose their salvation eg by taking the MOTB, failing at Matt 25:44-46

So apparently, believers can lose their salvation by refusing—or supposedly accepting—a physical mark on their hand or forehead? And Matthew 25:44–46 is somehow a test of whether Christians can keep their salvation during a future seven-year tribulation?

Sigh… this is exactly what happens when premillennial dispensationalism turns Revelation and the parables into a futuristic salvation obstacle course.

The Bible says salvation is by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8–9), not by successfully navigating a future series of prophetic landmines. The Mark of the Beast is not a magic physical stamp that determines whether a genuine believer can suddenly lose salvation.

Premillennial fantasy really does require an entirely different Bible.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

""A non-believer cannot truthfully claim that unless they have the Spirit.""
What verses do you believe teach how a person today receives the HS seal ?

That's the whole gospel message ... hundreds of scriptures too numerous to mention. How it happens for each individual is uniquely orchestrated by God. He draws the individual to Himself through a series of events, uses witnesses, ministers, over time, planting seeds ... Faith comes by the Word. Jesus is the Authir of our faith so that is how it happens. We are the elect, chosen. We are called, and His sheep hear His voice and respond. When we believe the story, that He died for our sins, was buried and rose from the dead on then third day, He baptizes us with the Holy Spirit and we are sealed. That seal is irrevocable, nobody can break it, not even us. ( See Eph. 1:13)
"For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Rom. 8:38-39

 

[PeterAndroz]

I adhere to OSAS. We are sealed by the Holy Spirit and therefore cannot lose our salvation; nor would we choose the mark of the Beast - only reprobates do.
In Matthew 25:44-46, Jesus is speaking to Jews who during their lives rejected him and Chrìstians. They did not love Christians. Jesus said if you helped them, you helped me. In another passage the Jews argue, Did not we prophecy and heal in your name, Lord? Non-believing Gentiles did not do that, only Jews did. They had knowledge of God, the God of Abraham, Isaac , Jacob and Moses - they just did notnthink He was Jesus!
That said, A remnant Jewish population will be saved (Romans 11 confirms that); but many will not be. It will be those pleading in the end for their lives. Or course, when every eye sees Him, they will know and mourn their big mistake; but then I guess it's too late.

Thx RDB.
"I adhere to OSAS.""
My thoughts are that a believer today is AND REMAINS HSsealed & saved by hearing, believing trusting the 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 Gospel that Christ taught to Paul Gal 1:11-12.
My only concern (confusion ?) is that since trust & believe is the condition then what happens if a believer stops trusting & believing ?
2 Tim 2:13 is used by some well-meaning Pastor/teachers to state that a believer remains saved/sealed even if they stop trusting/believing.
I'm not convinced of that, your thoughts ?
..
10 minutes

Q241: In 2 Tim 2:12, what will Christ deny us of if we deny Him?

www.columbusbiblechurch.org

 

[PeterAndroz]

That's the whole gospel message ... hundreds of scriptures too numerous to mention. How it happens for each individual is uniquely orchestrated by God. He draws the individual to Himself through a series of events, uses witnesses, ministers, over time, planting seeds ... Faith comes by the Word. Jesus is the Authir of our faith so that is how it happens. We are the elect, chosen. We are called, and His sheep hear His voice and respond. When we believe the story, that He died for our sins, was buried and rose from the dead on then third day, He baptizes us with the Holy Spirit and we are sealed. That seal is irrevocable, nobody can break it, not even us. ( See Eph. 1:13)
"For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Rom. 8:38-39

Thx again RDB
"hear his voice.....""
That's John who in Gal 2:7-9 has agreed to teach a different audience than Paul who is our Acts 9:15 Christ chosen, Rom 11:13 Apostle & Rom 15:16 Minister
...................
Eph 1:13 << YES !!!!!!!!!!!
After having HEARD the Gospel and believe & trust the Gospel = we are saved & HS sealed
That Gospel 1 Cor 15:1-4 is what Christ Gal 1:11-12 uniquely taught to Paul who Paul himself revealed to the 12 - Gal 2:2
..
After Eph 1:13, what else did Paul teach was required to be HS sealed ?
I don't see anything, what about you ?

 

[amigo de christo]

Jesus hints at how to recognize believers: "By their fruit, you will know them". The fruit of the Spirit is kindness, goodness, joy, love, peace, patience, self control, gentleness, faith. Also, not just our actions but our words testify and confirm that Jesus is Lord. A non-believer cannot truthfully claim that unless they have the Spirit.

by their fruit ye shall indeed know them .
There is a key thing about the fruit that many while quoating the fruits of the Spirit often do not see .
So lets examine real good what is the ACTUAL FRUIT of the SPIRIT .
For many can list the fruits and yet be walking contrary to the FRUIT of THE ONE TRUE SPIRIT of GOD .
For the FRUIT of the SPIRIT is in ALL righteousness , godliness and TRUTH .
Proving what is acceptable to GOD ALL MIGHTY . and a lie and sin IS NOT acceptable to THIS GOD all mighty now is it .
Many now beleive a lie . That JESUS is the minstir of sin and of UNBELIEF in HIM as necessary for to be saved .
And that IS A LIE . In no way does that mindset come of GOD who testisified
NOT ON INTEFAITH INTERRELGIIOUS LIES
But rather ON the DIRE NECESSITY TO BELIEVE ON JESUS the CHRIST .
And i think we both know OR SHOULD KNOW
JESUS dont speak lies , he dont talk about MONEY MONEY MONEY nor does he hold a certain rainbow
Nor would he ever have said THIS PEACE PLAN , WHICH DENIES THE DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE ON HIM ,
IS OF GOD and leads to peace n safety of the world .
SOMEONE else been doing that one Ronald . THIS ONE , And by PEACE he shall destroy many . And that one IS NOT GOD
Thought it is convincing them it IS . the all inclusive god IS NOT THE ONE TRUE GOD .
For it overlooks sins , even accepts sins , it speaks of love a lot but by its love DENIES TRUTH and leads
this people and the false religions to be as one under the idea this will bring them peace n safety
BUT ALL its gonna bring them and all who joined hands with it is , THEY OWN SUDDEN destruction ON the DAY OF THE LORD .
SEEING GOD desires not the death but rather repentance of them , THIS IS NOT COMING FROM GOD
but from rather one who desires man to remain UNDER DEATH and to face the second death . the devil that one is .

 

[amigo de christo]

That's the whole gospel message ... hundreds of scriptures too numerous to mention. How it happens for each individual is uniquely orchestrated by God. He draws the individual to Himself through a series of events, uses witnesses, ministers, over time, planting seeds ... Faith comes by the Word. Jesus is the Authir of our faith so that is how it happens. We are the elect, chosen. We are called, and His sheep hear His voice and respond. When we believe the story, that He died for our sins, was buried and rose from the dead on then third day, He baptizes us with the Holy Spirit and we are sealed. That seal is irrevocable, nobody can break it, not even us. ( See Eph. 1:13)
"For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Rom. 8:38-39

Wanna know HOW GOD chose to save the world .
Ready
steady
BY the foolishness of preaching TO save those WHO BELEIVE . THERE IT IS for all to see .
Now of course we know that there are men and women just like i once was
WHO could cliam to Believe and yet we loved our sin and thus WE DID NOT KNOW HIM .
That also exists .
And so does this . MANY who once cliamed one had to BELEIVE IN JESUS are now turning to a lie
that has made VOID the dire necessity to BELEIVE ON JESUS
as it spouts ALL religoins are coming to GOD in different ways and that muslims , hindus and whatever else du
Worship the same GOD a true christain do . A FAT LIE ronald .
And we cannot cliam we beleive AND ALSO believe that lie or it was the LIE ONLY we believed .
TRUE FAITH BELIEVES . TRUE FAITH dont try and cliam to beleive and yet Gives false religions a pass .
We better all beware lest any falls for the error of the wicked who plant a lie b y means of intefaith
unto this people . SOOn enough we will see even more anti christs rising up , WHO STILL cliam they believe on JESUS
and yet really just BELEIVE THIS LIE .

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Thx RDB.
"I adhere to OSAS.""
My thoughts are that a believer today is AND REMAINS HSsealed & saved by hearing, believing trusting the 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 Gospel that Christ taught to Paul Gal 1:11-12.
My only concern (confusion ?) is that since trust & believe is the condition then what happens if a believer stops trusting & believing ?
2 Tim 2:13 is used by some well-meaning Pastor/teachers to state that a believer remains saved/sealed even if they stop trusting/believing.
I'm not convinced of that, your thoughts ?
..
10 minutes

Q241: In 2 Tim 2:12, what will Christ deny us of if we deny Him?

www.columbusbiblechurch.org

Some have great faith and some have weak faith. We are instructed to come alongside and encourage those who have weak faith and/or maybe have backslid - lost their way. Devastating events happen to test our faith: illness, death of a loved one, loss of job, etc. So at times our faith wavers and people get angry at God. But Christ is the Author and goes and gets that one sheep that strayed and brings them back to the fold. HE IS FAITHFUL and my confidence is in His promise, not my abilities. It reminds.me of the movie Signs with Mel Gibson who played an angry ex- priest who lost his faith after his wife died. Fictional alien movie but through it all, God was with him and had a plan and brought him through.
My Dad got on his knees when he was ten years old and prayed for his father's life who had TB ( in 1941, there was no cure). God said no and so thid little boy stopped believing, held a grudge for 70 years. He professed to be an atheist. I'd say he lost his faith. But in his 80's, weak, sickly, he came back, got on his knees again and prayed. It's funny but all through his life he lived by and practiced Biblical principals. He taught us too. With seven praying sisters, it was difficult for him not to know how to live this way. He just reasoned that these principals, like the golden rule evolved from society.
I told him no it didn't. I wrote a 30 page argument against the TOE, which he believed. It all worked out eventually.
.

 

[CrowCross]

Once again, no addressing of the issues.

The Church is found throughout the tribulation period.

The Church is described as the “saints” in Revelation 5:8, 8:3, 8:4, 11:18, 13:7, 13:10, 14:12, 15:3, 16:6, 17:6, 19:8 and 20:9.

The New Testament uses the term “saint” some 59 times, repeatedly describing Christians who walk in newness of life. The objective Bible student can quickly discern that this name consistently pertains to true believers in the New Testament.

The Church is described in Revelation as the “redeemed” in Revelation 5:9, 14:3 and 14:4.

The New Testament makes it abundantly clear that Christians alone are “redeemed” through the blood of Jesus Christ (Luke 1:68, 24:21, Gal 3:13, 4:5. Titus 2:14 and 1 Peter 1:18). The unregenerate have not partook in this life-changing experience.

The Church is also known in Revelation, like elsewhere in Scriptures, as the “brethren” Such references are found in Revelation 6:11, 12:10, 19:10, 22:9.

The Church is referred to in Revelation 17:14 as the “chosen (or elect), and faithful.”

The word rendered “chosen” in the King James Version is the Greek word eklektos, and is the same word used in Matthew and Mark to describe the elect that are gathered unto Christ at His coming after the tribulation. It is the same word that is used 23 times in the New Testament to denote the redeemed, blood-bought, members of Christ’s Church!

The Church is described as “servants” in Revelation 1:1, 2:20, 7:3, 10:7, 11:18, 19:2, 19:5, 22:3 and 22:6.

The Church is described as those “in / with white robes,” who are washed in the blood of the Lamb in Revelation 3:4, 5, 18, 4:4, 6:11, 7:9, 13, 14, and 19:8, 14.

The Church is described as “kings and priests” in Revelation 1:6, 5:10 and 20:6.

God’s people are described as “souls” twice in Revelation, both in a heavenly context, both thus relating to the disembodied saints, in Revelation 6:9 and 20:4.

The disembodied saints are also known as “fellowservants” in Revelation 6:11.

The Church is also described as a “woman” in Revelation 12:1,4, 6,13,15,16 and 17.

The Church is also described as “the temple” in Revelation 3:12, 11:1 and 2. Notwithstanding, there are other passages in Revelation that could link the temple to the Church.

The Church in heaven is described in Revelation 14:13 as “the dead which die in the Lord.”

The Church is described in Revelation 15:2 as “them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark.”

The Church is also known in Revelation as “he/him that overcometh” (speaking in generic terms) – Revelation 2:7, 11, 17, 26, 3:5, 12, 21 and 21:7.

The saints are described in Revelation 16:15 as “he that watcheth, and keepeth their garments.”

The Church is also expressed in Revelation 18:4 as “my people,” in Revelation 21:3 as “his people” and Revelation 19:1 as “much people in heaven.”

Revelation 7:9 describes God’s people in heaven as “a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues.” Revelation 5:9 says: “out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation.”

The Church is also described as “the bride” of Christ in Revelation 18:23, 21:9, 22:17, and similarly as “the Lamb's wife” in Revelation 19:7 and 21:9.

Revelation 12:17, 14:12 and 21:14 describes the Church as “they that do/keep God’s commandments.”

The Church is also described as “the armies which were in heaven” in Revelation 19:14.

Revelation 21:24 describes the Church as “them which are saved.”

Revelation 21:27 describes the Church as “they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.”

Most of the above are familiar terms used to describe the universal Church of Jesus Christ are found elsewhere in the Bible (Old and New Testament) describing God’s people the Church. These are general terms that are commonly used and perfectly understood by all sensible Christians as describing God’s chosen people throughout the centuries and throughout the nations.

There are many different references throughout the whole book of Revelation to the existence, testimony and endurance of Christians during the tribulation period. These saints are described as those that possess “the faith of Jesus” (Revelation 14:1), and consequently carry “the testimony of Jesus” (Revelation 1:2, 9, 12:17, 19:10), and are “the witness of Jesus” (Revelation 20:4). They exhibit the “patience of Jesus” (Revelation 1:9), and many become the “martyrs of Jesus” (Revelation 17:6). Frankly, if these aren’t Christians, what are they?

A passage that ably supports this supposition and locates the Christian in the tribulation period is Revelation 14:12-13, which says, “Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.”

The “patience of the saints” here in Revelation 14:12 must surely be linked to the “patience of Jesus” in Revelation 1:9.

The means by which these saints overcome the devil, the world and the flesh during great tribulation is the exact same as that employed by Christians throughout history. Those Christians that carry “the testimony of Jesus” in the tribulation are seen to conquer Satan by “the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony” (Revelation 12:11), again, confirming their sure unitary position within the redeemed Church of Jesus Christ.

The Church is ________________. You filled it in. The fact is the term Church isn't used after chapter 4 until chapter 22.
It's mentioned 17 times before that.

For some reason you seem to have a fantasy for wanting to go through the tribulation. Do you think it will be a walk in the park? Oh, look at me I'm a tough christian...I can handle it. The mark, I spit on it.
Your denial of the truth of the rapture tells me your prime for acceptation the deception.

Look up!

 

[WPM]

The Church is ________________. You filled it in. The fact is the term Church isn't used after chapter 4 until chapter 22.
It's mentioned 17 times before that.

For some reason you seem to have a fantasy for wanting to go through the tribulation. Do you think it will be a walk in the park? Oh, look at me I'm a tough christian...I can handle it. The mark, I spit on it.
Your denial of the truth of the rapture tells me your prime for acceptation the deception.

Look up!

I notice a pattern in your posts: you never address any of the rebuttals. You go off on a tangent every time. That tells me that you're theology cannot stand scrutiny. I refer you back to my last post that absolutely forbids your claims.

 

[CrowCross]

The moment you received CHRIST your ticket for Tribulation was punched.

How much Tribulation and in what ways for your growth, is under God's Control = John 16:31-33

Do you finally believe?” Jesus replied.
“Look, an hour is coming and has already come when you will be scattered, each to his own home, and you will leave Me all alone.
Yet I am not alone, because the Father is with Me.
I have told you these things so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation.
But take courage; I have overcome the world!”

Yikes a tough guy...you're from Jersey and can handle it.....

For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, nor ever shall be.....
In fact so bad....If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be cut short.

The tribulation you speak of is nothing compared to what is coming to the world.
The good news...the bride is removed.

 

[CrowCross]

I notice a pattern in your posts: you never address any of the rebuttals. You go off on a tangent every time. That tells me that you're theology cannot stand scrutiny. I refer you back to my last post that absolutely forbids your claims.

You ramble. Sorry. A bit long winded and never really say anything. Post verse out of context often with no commentary on how they relate...sorry dude.

The fact is the term Church isn't used after chapter 4 until chapter 22.
It's mentioned 17 times before that. But, that means nothing to you. You want to be part of the 1/4 of the population killed...or better yet if you survive you want to be there to hear about the 1/4 of the population that's killed....when the pale green horse whose rider is name Death....and Hades followed close behind comes on the scene.

 

[CrowCross]

Just as many have in all ages and throughout tribulations .
THIS LAST HOUR GREAT AND MIGHTY TRIBULATION which soon shall come upon the few sheep who did not conform
to the all inclusive god who is satan .
Many gonna bleed in the days ahead . NO Fear of man and no fear to die , FOR JESUS
has the sheep and will be with us through it all .
But make no mistake , GREAT TRIBULATION IS COMING and ITS COMING against the sheep .
Be prepared as all saints were throughout all the ages , BE FAITHFUL UNTO DEATH . Let none sell out
to the well favored ecumeincal harlot of anti christ intefaith and her father who is the all inclusive god and satan .
Better to die for CHRIST than to live for a lie . Blood is coming against the sheep .
But on the day of JESUS the table will be flipped and it will be THEY who are running to the hills
from whence they shall not escape the wrath of GOD and of the LAMB
which falleth upon the beast and upon all who joined hands in its inclusive love , its lie and for peace
HAD SOLD JESUS OUT .

The bride will not go through the 7 year tribulation...She will be removed. Yes, the bride will experience tribulation prior to dying or being raptured...but it's not the tribulation mentioned in Matt 24:21...For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, nor ever shall be.
The bride will escape this judgement as her groom has already paid the price for this judgement.

If I read you correctly it sounds like you're saying not all christians are taken in the rapture. Is that what you're saying.

 

[CrowCross]

Jesus hints at how to recognize believers: "By their fruit, you will know them". The fruit of the Spirit is kindness, goodness, joy, love, peace, patience, self control, gentleness, faith. Also, not just our actions but our words testify and confirm that Jesus is Lord. A non-believer cannot truthfully claim that unless they have the Spirit.

Funny thing is I know of some non-christians who have better fruit than bible believing christians.