Simple proof rapture is b4 7yr trib

[PeterAndroz]

In the 7yr trib salvation can be lost eg Matt 25:44-46
Today ACCORDING to Paul it can't.
Show me >>>where Paul<<< teaches that a believer today can become UNsaved & UNselaed & I'll shut my mouth on the subject :)
ps you'll need to DEBUNK Titus 3:5-7, Eph 2:8-9, Gal 2:16, Rom 3:28, Rom 4:5, Rom 5:1

 

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In the 7yr trib salvation can be lost eg Matt 25:44-46
Today ACCORDING to Paul it can't.
Show me >>>where Paul<<< teaches that a believer today can become UNsaved & UNselaed & I'll shut my mouth on the subject :)
ps you'll need to DEBUNK Titus 3:5-7, Eph 2:8-9, Gal 2:16, Rom 3:28, Rom 4:5, Rom 5:1

Believers are “TASTERS” and Can by their own power….Stop Believing.

Believer DOES NOT mean Converted.

“Converted Believers”… Are “EATERS” and can, By, Through, Of Gods POWER IN Them, NEVER STOP Believing.

There ARE multiple Scriptural Examples Of Believers, “Tasters, who Stopped Believing.”
That which some men wrongfully teach those such men were saved then UN-saved.

Some men ALSO Wrongfully teach, a man Must Literally RECEIVE Salvation…
Before it is ever possible For the man to Lose his Salvation.

That IS FALSE.
* Jesus’ bought and paid for Every mans Salvation…Done Deal.
* The bought and paid for Gift of Salvation, is Offered to Every man.
* The Gift IS NOT Forced Given…
* The Gift IS possessed by an Individual, IF and When an individual Reaches Out and TAKES the Gift.
* Only THEN does the man “Possess his Gift”,
Once and Forever.

* Don’t Reach out and TAKE YOUR Gift…
* And mortally Die, having not Taken your Gift…
* You are now bodily dead, and incapable of Claiming your Gift…
* And … that IS A Gift no longer Able for you to Take, Receive, Possess…
* And the meaning of having LOST your gift of Salvation…
Because you NEVER Took it.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[PeterAndroz]

Believers are “TASTERS” and Can by their own power….Stop Believing.

Believer DOES NOT mean Converted.

“Converted Believers”… Are “EATERS” and can, By, Through, Of Gods POWER IN Them, NEVER STOP Believing.

There ARE multiple Scriptural Examples Of Believers, “Tasters, who Stopped Believing.”
That which some men wrongfully teach those such men were saved then UN-saved.

Some men ALSO Wrongfully teach, a man Must Literally RECEIVE Salvation…
Before it is ever possible For the man to Lose his Salvation.

That IS FALSE.
* Jesus’ bought and paid for Every mans Salvation…Done Deal.
* The bought and paid for Gift of Salvation, is Offered to Every man.
* The Gift IS NOT Forced Given…
* The Gift IS possessed by an Individual, IF and When an individual Reaches Out and TAKES the Gift.
* Only THEN does the man “Possess his Gift”,
Once and Forever.

* Don’t Reach out and TAKE YOUR Gift…
* And mortally Die, having not Taken your Gift…
* You are now bodily dead, and incapable of Claiming your Gift…
* And … that IS A Gift no longer Able for you to Take, Receive, Possess…
* And the meaning of having LOST your gift of Salvation…
Because you NEVER Took it.

Glory to God,
Taken

This is where I stand.
Acts 9:15, Gal 2:7-9, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16
Those verses teach me that Christ chose & the 12 agreed that Paul is THE chosen Apostle & Minister to teach you & I salvation today
Gal 1:11-12 Christ uniquely taught the Gospel to Paul
Gal 2:2 Paul had to explain THAT gospel to the 12
THAT gospel is 1 Cor 15:14, Eph 1:13, Col 2:13
THAT gospel teaches a person IS saved & IS HS sealed if they hear, believe, trust that Christ, died, was buried, rose 3 days later so that Col 2:13 ALL their sins are forgiven
..
If you want to call an Eph 1:13 saved AND HS sealed believer a 'taster' who is NOT forever saved then please show >>WHERE PAUL<< supports your claim.
..
Point ?
- today an Eph 1:13 HS sealed believer can not become UNsealed thereby UNsaved
- 7 yr trib a believer can become UNsaved eg Matt 25:44-46
Conclusion :-
Saved believers today will not be in the 7yr trib

 

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This is where I stand.
Acts 9:15, Gal 2:7-9, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16
Those verses teach me that Christ chose & the 12 agreed that Paul is THE chosen Apostle & Minister to teach you & I salvation today
Gal 1:11-12 Christ uniquely taught the Gospel to Paul
Gal 2:2 Paul had to explain THAT gospel to the 12
THAT gospel is 1 Cor 15:14, Eph 1:13, Col 2:13
THAT gospel teaches a person IS saved & IS HS sealed if they hear, believe, trust that Christ, died, was buried, rose 3 days later so that Col 2:13 ALL their sins are forgiven

Yes… having the “caveat” of:
“IF”
The Belief …is A Heartful Belief.
The Heartful Belief…IS Confessed.

Rom 10:
[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

[10] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

..
If you want to call an Eph 1:13 saved AND HS sealed believer a 'taster' who is NOT forever saved then please show >>WHERE PAUL<< supports your claim.
..
Point ?
- today an Eph 1:13 HS sealed believer can not become UNsealed thereby UNsaved
- 7 yr trib a believer can become UNsaved eg Matt 25:44-46
Conclusion :-
Saved believers today will not be in the 7yr trib

Yes… a Confessed Heartful Believer IS Sealed.

Yes…the Word of God, came forth out of Gods Mouth.

Yes…the Word of God, was Sent From Heaven, To Earth, IN a Body God Prepared.

Yes…Gods Word came With Authority TO, Speak, Teach, Willing men, Gods Word of Truth, Life, Mysteries, Available Offerings, Blessings, Gifts, Rewards;
AND:
The ORDER
AND:
The WAY…For living men ON Earth…
TO:
Receive, Have, Hold, Possess, Gods OFFERINGS.

What “IF” a man, Hears… and “in his Mind”… ponders, concludes…
That “This part” makes sense…and he mindfully believes That part.
But…
That “Another part” he hears, “does NOT Mindfully Make sense, so Denys / rejects That Part”?

Now turn to What Jesus Said…

John 6:
[51] I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

Again the caveat “IF”
Eat,
Body
Word

What is Eating?
Put in your mouth, TASTE…
IF you Like it, Trust it, you Swallow It.
IF you don’t Like it, Trust it, you SPIT it Out!

IF you EAT Gods Word…
Blessings, Gifts, Rewards…Are promised unto you.

IF you are TASTING Gods Word…
Blessings…ARE given unto you.

IF you SPIT OUT what you have “TASTED”…The Gift of Salvation, IS NOT given unto you.

Many shall “Taste”, few shall “Eat”.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[PeterAndroz]

Yes… having the “caveat” of:
“IF”
The Belief …is A Heartful Belief.
The Heartful Belief…IS Confessed.

Rom 10:
[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

[10] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.



Yes… a Confessed Heartful Believer IS Sealed.

Yes…the Word of God, came forth out of Gods Mouth.

Yes…the Word of God, was Sent From Heaven, To Earth, IN a Body God Prepared.

Yes…Gods Word came With Authority TO, Speak, Teach, Willing men, Gods Word of Truth, Life, Mysteries, Available Offerings, Blessings, Gifts, Rewards;
AND:
The ORDER
AND:
The WAY…For living men ON Earth…
TO:
Receive, Have, Hold, Possess, Gods OFFERINGS.

What “IF” a man, Hears… and “in his Mind”… ponders, concludes…
That “This part” makes sense…and he mindfully believes That part.
But…
That “Another part” he hears, “does NOT Mindfully Make sense, so Denys / rejects That Part”?

Now turn to What Jesus Said…

John 6:
[51] I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

Again the caveat “IF”
Eat,
Body
Word

What is Eating?
Put in your mouth, TASTE…
IF you Like it, Trust it, you Swallow It.
IF you don’t Like it, Trust it, you SPIT it Out!

IF you EAT Gods Word…
Blessings, Gifts, Rewards…Are promised unto you.

IF you are TASTING Gods Word…
Blessings…ARE given unto you.

IF you SPIT OUT what you have “TASTED”…The Gift of Salvation, IS NOT given unto you.

Many shall “Taste”, few shall “Eat”.

Glory to God,
Taken

1 step at a time taken
Rom 10:9 ""confess by mouth"", who is Paul speaking to in Rom 10:1, you & I or Israel ?
If "confess by mouth" applies to you & I, where is it listed in 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 ?

 

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1 step at a time taken
Rom 10:9 ""confess by mouth"", who is Paul speaking to in Rom 10:1, you & I or Israel ?
If "confess by mouth" applies to you & I, where is it listed in 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 ?

Paul is speaking TO:
They whom the Lord gave Paul authority to teach / preach to.

The “Listener” of Paul’s Preaching “know whom they are”.

Acts 9:
[15] But the Lord said unto him, (Ananias) Go thy way: for he (Saul/Paul) is a chosen vessel unto me, (Lord) to bear my (Lord) name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

If you are one of those…Gentile, king, Child of Israel…Paul was tasked to speak to you.

Glory to God,
Taken