Simple proof rapture is b4 7yr trib

[PeterAndroz]

In the 7yr trib salvation can be lost eg Matt 25:44-46
Today ACCORDING to Paul it can't.
Show me >>>where Paul<<< teaches that a believer today can become UNsaved & UNselaed & I'll shut my mouth on the subject :)
ps you'll need to DEBUNK Titus 3:5-7, Eph 2:8-9, Gal 2:16, Rom 3:28, Rom 4:5, Rom 5:1

 

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In the 7yr trib salvation can be lost eg Matt 25:44-46
Today ACCORDING to Paul it can't.
Show me >>>where Paul<<< teaches that a believer today can become UNsaved & UNselaed & I'll shut my mouth on the subject :)
ps you'll need to DEBUNK Titus 3:5-7, Eph 2:8-9, Gal 2:16, Rom 3:28, Rom 4:5, Rom 5:1

Believers are “TASTERS” and Can by their own power….Stop Believing.

Believer DOES NOT mean Converted.

“Converted Believers”… Are “EATERS” and can, By, Through, Of Gods POWER IN Them, NEVER STOP Believing.

There ARE multiple Scriptural Examples Of Believers, “Tasters, who Stopped Believing.”
That which some men wrongfully teach those such men were saved then UN-saved.

Some men ALSO Wrongfully teach, a man Must Literally RECEIVE Salvation…
Before it is ever possible For the man to Lose his Salvation.

That IS FALSE.
* Jesus’ bought and paid for Every mans Salvation…Done Deal.
* The bought and paid for Gift of Salvation, is Offered to Every man.
* The Gift IS NOT Forced Given…
* The Gift IS possessed by an Individual, IF and When an individual Reaches Out and TAKES the Gift.
* Only THEN does the man “Possess his Gift”,
Once and Forever.

* Don’t Reach out and TAKE YOUR Gift…
* And mortally Die, having not Taken your Gift…
* You are now bodily dead, and incapable of Claiming your Gift…
* And … that IS A Gift no longer Able for you to Take, Receive, Possess…
* And the meaning of having LOST your gift of Salvation…
Because you NEVER Took it.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[PeterAndroz]

Believers are “TASTERS” and Can by their own power….Stop Believing.

Believer DOES NOT mean Converted.

“Converted Believers”… Are “EATERS” and can, By, Through, Of Gods POWER IN Them, NEVER STOP Believing.

There ARE multiple Scriptural Examples Of Believers, “Tasters, who Stopped Believing.”
That which some men wrongfully teach those such men were saved then UN-saved.

Some men ALSO Wrongfully teach, a man Must Literally RECEIVE Salvation…
Before it is ever possible For the man to Lose his Salvation.

That IS FALSE.
* Jesus’ bought and paid for Every mans Salvation…Done Deal.
* The bought and paid for Gift of Salvation, is Offered to Every man.
* The Gift IS NOT Forced Given…
* The Gift IS possessed by an Individual, IF and When an individual Reaches Out and TAKES the Gift.
* Only THEN does the man “Possess his Gift”,
Once and Forever.

* Don’t Reach out and TAKE YOUR Gift…
* And mortally Die, having not Taken your Gift…
* You are now bodily dead, and incapable of Claiming your Gift…
* And … that IS A Gift no longer Able for you to Take, Receive, Possess…
* And the meaning of having LOST your gift of Salvation…
Because you NEVER Took it.

Glory to God,
Taken

This is where I stand.
Acts 9:15, Gal 2:7-9, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16
Those verses teach me that Christ chose & the 12 agreed that Paul is THE chosen Apostle & Minister to teach you & I salvation today
Gal 1:11-12 Christ uniquely taught the Gospel to Paul
Gal 2:2 Paul had to explain THAT gospel to the 12
THAT gospel is 1 Cor 15:14, Eph 1:13, Col 2:13
THAT gospel teaches a person IS saved & IS HS sealed if they hear, believe, trust that Christ, died, was buried, rose 3 days later so that Col 2:13 ALL their sins are forgiven
..
If you want to call an Eph 1:13 saved AND HS sealed believer a 'taster' who is NOT forever saved then please show >>WHERE PAUL<< supports your claim.
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Point ?
- today an Eph 1:13 HS sealed believer can not become UNsealed thereby UNsaved
- 7 yr trib a believer can become UNsaved eg Matt 25:44-46
Conclusion :-
Saved believers today will not be in the 7yr trib

 

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This is where I stand.
Acts 9:15, Gal 2:7-9, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16
Those verses teach me that Christ chose & the 12 agreed that Paul is THE chosen Apostle & Minister to teach you & I salvation today
Gal 1:11-12 Christ uniquely taught the Gospel to Paul
Gal 2:2 Paul had to explain THAT gospel to the 12
THAT gospel is 1 Cor 15:14, Eph 1:13, Col 2:13
THAT gospel teaches a person IS saved & IS HS sealed if they hear, believe, trust that Christ, died, was buried, rose 3 days later so that Col 2:13 ALL their sins are forgiven

Yes… having the “caveat” of:
“IF”
The Belief …is A Heartful Belief.
The Heartful Belief…IS Confessed.

Rom 10:
[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

[10] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

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If you want to call an Eph 1:13 saved AND HS sealed believer a 'taster' who is NOT forever saved then please show >>WHERE PAUL<< supports your claim.
..
Point ?
- today an Eph 1:13 HS sealed believer can not become UNsealed thereby UNsaved
- 7 yr trib a believer can become UNsaved eg Matt 25:44-46
Conclusion :-
Saved believers today will not be in the 7yr trib

Yes… a Confessed Heartful Believer IS Sealed.

Yes…the Word of God, came forth out of Gods Mouth.

Yes…the Word of God, was Sent From Heaven, To Earth, IN a Body God Prepared.

Yes…Gods Word came With Authority TO, Speak, Teach, Willing men, Gods Word of Truth, Life, Mysteries, Available Offerings, Blessings, Gifts, Rewards;
AND:
The ORDER
AND:
The WAY…For living men ON Earth…
TO:
Receive, Have, Hold, Possess, Gods OFFERINGS.

What “IF” a man, Hears… and “in his Mind”… ponders, concludes…
That “This part” makes sense…and he mindfully believes That part.
But…
That “Another part” he hears, “does NOT Mindfully Make sense, so Denys / rejects That Part”?

Now turn to What Jesus Said…

John 6:
[51] I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

Again the caveat “IF”
Eat,
Body
Word

What is Eating?
Put in your mouth, TASTE…
IF you Like it, Trust it, you Swallow It.
IF you don’t Like it, Trust it, you SPIT it Out!

IF you EAT Gods Word…
Blessings, Gifts, Rewards…Are promised unto you.

IF you are TASTING Gods Word…
Blessings…ARE given unto you.

IF you SPIT OUT what you have “TASTED”…The Gift of Salvation, IS NOT given unto you.

Many shall “Taste”, few shall “Eat”.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[PeterAndroz]

Yes… having the “caveat” of:
“IF”
The Belief …is A Heartful Belief.
The Heartful Belief…IS Confessed.

Rom 10:
[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

[10] For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.



Yes… a Confessed Heartful Believer IS Sealed.

Yes…the Word of God, came forth out of Gods Mouth.

Yes…the Word of God, was Sent From Heaven, To Earth, IN a Body God Prepared.

Yes…Gods Word came With Authority TO, Speak, Teach, Willing men, Gods Word of Truth, Life, Mysteries, Available Offerings, Blessings, Gifts, Rewards;
AND:
The ORDER
AND:
The WAY…For living men ON Earth…
TO:
Receive, Have, Hold, Possess, Gods OFFERINGS.

What “IF” a man, Hears… and “in his Mind”… ponders, concludes…
That “This part” makes sense…and he mindfully believes That part.
But…
That “Another part” he hears, “does NOT Mindfully Make sense, so Denys / rejects That Part”?

Now turn to What Jesus Said…

John 6:
[51] I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

Again the caveat “IF”
Eat,
Body
Word

What is Eating?
Put in your mouth, TASTE…
IF you Like it, Trust it, you Swallow It.
IF you don’t Like it, Trust it, you SPIT it Out!

IF you EAT Gods Word…
Blessings, Gifts, Rewards…Are promised unto you.

IF you are TASTING Gods Word…
Blessings…ARE given unto you.

IF you SPIT OUT what you have “TASTED”…The Gift of Salvation, IS NOT given unto you.

Many shall “Taste”, few shall “Eat”.

Glory to God,
Taken

1 step at a time taken
Rom 10:9 ""confess by mouth"", who is Paul speaking to in Rom 10:1, you & I or Israel ?
If "confess by mouth" applies to you & I, where is it listed in 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 ?

 

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1 step at a time taken
Rom 10:9 ""confess by mouth"", who is Paul speaking to in Rom 10:1, you & I or Israel ?
If "confess by mouth" applies to you & I, where is it listed in 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 ?

Paul is speaking TO:
They whom the Lord gave Paul authority to teach / preach to.

The “Listener” of Paul’s Preaching “know whom they are”.

Acts 9:
[15] But the Lord said unto him, (Ananias) Go thy way: for he (Saul/Paul) is a chosen vessel unto me, (Lord) to bear my (Lord) name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

If you are one of those…Gentile, king, Child of Israel…Paul was tasked to speak to you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[PeterAndroz]

Paul is speaking TO:
They whom the Lord gave Paul authority to teach / preach to.

The “Listener” of Paul’s Preaching “know whom they are”.

Acts 9:
[15] But the Lord said unto him, (Ananias) Go thy way: for he (Saul/Paul) is a chosen vessel unto me, (Lord) to bear my (Lord) name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

If you are one of those…Gentile, king, Child of Israel…Paul was tasked to speak to you.

Glory to God,
Taken

Yes Acts 9:15 Paul was given a role to 3 groups
Then LATER Gal 1:11-12 Christ taught a unique Gospel to Paul
Gal 2:2 Paul then had to explain THAT gospel to the 12
Gal 2:7-9 ALL agreed Paul goes to the Gentiles, the 12 to the rest
Rom 10:1, 10:9 MOUTH CONFESS Paul is talking to ISRAEL not the Gentiles
Please show where in Rom 10:1 - 10:9 the GENTILES are mentioned
Then later 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 is the saving Gospel to EVERYONE
Where does 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 teach CONFESS BY MOUTH ?

 

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Yes Acts 9:15 Paul was given a role to 3 groups
Then LATER Gal 1:11-12 Christ taught a unique Gospel to Paul
Gal 2:2 Paul then had to explain THAT gospel to the 12
Gal 2:7-9 ALL agreed Paul goes to the Gentiles, the 12 to the rest
Rom 10:1, 10:9 MOUTH CONFESS Paul is talking to ISRAEL not the Gentiles
Please show where in Rom 10:1 - 10:9 the GENTILES are mentioned
Then later 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 is the saving Gospel to EVERYONE
Where does 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 teach CONFESS BY MOUTH ?

Once discovered…Paul’s Mission…
(Teach, Preach, To Jews, Gentiles, kings)…
Does Not matter Which Individual, or “group” Paul is Speaking TO…
WHAT he says, Applies TO All, Jews, Gentiles, kings.

Jesus’ teaching, preaching was Similar.
* Thousands Gathered…
(Jews, Gentiles, High Positioned, Wealthy, Educated, Lowly status, Poor, Ignorant…)
* All hearing the Same ONE Style Speech, Preaching…
* All “Individually”, deciding, choosing, To Believe Him…
OR NOT…AND WHY.

The take away…
* IF the “Style” of speech IS Called…a Story, a Parable…
* The Listener, can “pick and choose PARTS of the “Speech” TO Believe, and “PARTS” of the Speech to “Reject”.

And “AS WELL”, the individual “Listeners”…
CAN “ALREADY BELIEVE…Jesus IS the TRUTH…THUS His “Style” of Presenting, Speaking His Speech, IS Irrelevant”.

Same with Paul… we may Not have been Present, and Audibly Heard Paul Speak…
But ALREADY KNOWING, WHO Paul was given the Task to Preach TO…
The Written Accounts of his Preaching, ARE Trustworthy, for Applicability to Jews, Gentiles, kings).

Hope that helps.

God bless you,

Glory to God,
Taken

 

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Where does 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 teach CONFESS BY MOUTH ?

Confess “by mouth”, is a Specific Act, Heartful Believing men “CAN choose TO Do”…

What is THAT Advantage?
* A “Spiritual Bodily Death”, crucified with Jesus’ Body, Accounted TO Have Satisfied, the ONE Requirement of man, Before a man can “RECEIVE” his Gift of Salvation.

* The ONE Requirement of “A Heartfully Believing man, TO Literally …”RECEIVE” his Salvation…
IS… His own mortal Body, Must Be Accounted DEAD.”

Already Revealed…

*
Gen 9:
[5] And surely your blood of your lives will Irequire; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.

A man’s Appointment unto Death.

Heb. 9:
[27] And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Reminder Men natural Body MUST be Accounted Dead… Before soul restoration and spirit quickening IS Given.

*
1 Cor 15:
[36] Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

Good News…a New Better Testimony, Offering, Option.

Heb 7:
[22] By so much was Jesus made a surety of abetter testament.

Spiritual Death With Jesus’ Body… accounted to Satisfy man’s ONE bodily Death Requirement.

Assured Salvation, Able to be Given a man Before … his Mortal Physical Bodily Death.

Given BY: the Authority of Gods Word…
Jesus

Given BY: the Power of God…
Christ

Recorded BY: the Lamb of God…
Lord

Evidence : Record: In Heaven, In Book, Name Written…
Lambs Book of Life

Magnitude of Evidence, Records, Book(S), in Heaven?
The Same Book(S)…to be opened, used, For Final Judgements of Every named Person…
And Sentence Rendered After Judgement.

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Continued…

There TWO Hands “INVOLVED” in the Literal Giving a man, Salvation.

4 Thousand Years of God Saving “physically” dead Bodys of Faithful men.

2 Thousand Years of Jesus Saving “Spiritually” dead Bodys of Faith men…

Additionally 2 thousand years of God Saving “physically” dead bodies of men.

Presently…Hours, Days, Weeks, Years, Seasons… Continuing…

Prophetically… The 2 Thousand Year Open Door of Jesus’ Offering of Saving … IS Going TO Close.

Prophetically… The Closing of Jesus’ Offering of Salvation…IS…
WHEN… Lord Jesus Calls, Collects, Gathers, Redeems, Those He Saved. (Rapture).

Prophetically…It is the Same Time… God Sees… the Remainder (men) ON Earth…
All “Unsaved”…neither by God (as they are all Bodily Alive…nor Christ Jesus…Because Jesus did not Call and Take them To/With Him.

And…God IS Angry, men Have Rejected..His Offerings…
Henseforth… as in past times…Gods Wrath…God Sends Down to Earth, Gods Tribulations Upon the Earth…as in Times past when God Said and Did…
Raise Up the Saved Above the Earth…
And Destroyed the Earth and its Inhabitants upon the Earth.

God Tribulations rain down from Heaven, subtitle , bit by bit, increasing with severity.
* Something Different…
* First Destruction… No one “on” Earth was revealed … calling out to God in their Belief, in their willingness to Bodily DIE For their Belief IN Him.
* Second Destruction…Many Shall call out TO God, With their Heartful Belief, and Willingness To Bodily Die FOR their Belief.

AND?
They Shall Bodily Die…
And God Shall Save their souls.

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Continued…

The TWO Hands of Salvation?
The Hand of God.
The Hand of Christ Lord Jesus.

Any Human man, in Either Hand, During Specific Times Frames of Mortal men upon this Earth… one Specific Hand or The Other Specific Hand…
IS the Only Hands For Any human man to BE IN, that which a man Shall be Saved.


Deut 32:
[39] See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out ofmy hand.

John 10:
[28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

John 10:
[29] My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

A man…
IN Gods Hand…
IN Jesus’ Hand…

Once and Done… eternal…ie. OSAS.
With God Forever.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

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@PeterAndroz

They who confess my mouth, Confess To Christ Jesus.
Receive their Salvation, From Jesus.

They who “make no mouth confession”…
Do not Receive their Salvation from Jesus.

It is God, who Searches the Hearts of UnConfessed by mouth men.
God Searches the heart ( a man’s Truth), to verify their True Belief.
They Truly Believe?…
God Saves Them.

Jesus’ claiming…redeeming…they in His Hand God Gave to Jesus…Rapture.

1 Thes. 4:
[15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up (Rapture meaning)…together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

And… those Not in Christ Jesus’ Hand?
But…Are or Become (even during the Last days Trib) IN Gods Hand?

1 Thes 4:
[14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

To When, To Where?

Rev 7:
[10] And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
[11] And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
[12] Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
[13] And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
[14] And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
[15] Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

Glory to God,
Taken