Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

[CrowCross]

Ignore button.
That guy is a waste of thought.
Amil bizarre nonsense.
I can tell you they have an agenda

It is coming in here and messing with pretribbers.

They are quite comical.

 

[CrowCross]

They are.
Everyone that refuses the mark.
The biggest massacre in history.

That might be the case...but right now I'm not on board with that.
I see the possibility of some christians hiding out in a Montana like place.

Rev 14 which I assume is after Rev 13...or at least during the on going process of the MOB tells us...
6 Then I saw another angel flying directly overhead, with an eternal gospel to proclaim to those who dwell on earth, to every nation and tribe and language and people......Perhaps those words from the angel fall on deaf ears.

Matt 24:22 tells us...If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be cut short......this kinda makes it sound like not all non-marked elect will be killed.

To be honest I haven't really given it much thought. Just thinking out loud.

 

[David in NJ]

Keep telling yourself that.

ABSOLUTELY = i LOVE TRUTH, it is my Daily BREAD

1 Thess 4:13-18 = Here is the Amplified Version since you are currently ill-informed of the Truth

Now we do not want you to be uninformed, believers, about those who are asleep [in death], so that you will not grieve [for them] as the others do who have no hope [beyond this present life].
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again [as in fact He did], even so God [in this same way--by raising them from the dead] will bring with Him those [believers] who have fallen asleep in Jesus.
For we say this to you by the Lord’s [own] word, that we who are still alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will in no way precede [into His presence] those [believers] who have fallen asleep [in death].
For the Lord Himself will come down from heaven with a shout of command, with the voice of the archangel and with the [blast of the] trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

After (The Resurrection), we who are alive and remain [on the earth] will simultaneously be caught up (raptured) together with them [the resurrected ones] in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord!
Therefore comfort and encourage one another with these words [concerning our reunion with believers who have died].

 

[amigo de christo]

ABSOLUTELY = i LOVE TRUTH, it is my Daily BREAD

1 Thess 4:13-18 = Here is the Amplified Version since you are currently ill-informed of the Truth

Now we do not want you to be uninformed, believers, about those who are asleep [in death], so that you will not grieve [for them] as the others do who have no hope [beyond this present life].
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again [as in fact He did], even so God [in this same way--by raising them from the dead] will bring with Him those [believers] who have fallen asleep in Jesus.
For we say this to you by the Lord’s [own] word, that we who are still alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will in no way precede [into His presence] those [believers] who have fallen asleep [in death].
For the Lord Himself will come down from heaven with a shout of command, with the voice of the archangel and with the [blast of the] trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

After (The Resurrection), we who are alive and remain [on the earth] will simultaneously be caught up (raptured) together with them [the resurrected ones] in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord!
Therefore comfort and encourage one another with these words [concerning our reunion with believers who have died].

to the trenches david . These last hours upon earth will lead to the bloodiest of all tribulation against the saints .
The all inclusive god has many co workers now . His harlot has sold her ecumeincal love song
and now leads them into intefaith of anti christ beast .
A POWERFUL AI digital system has been prepared . Not for the nation or nations ,
But FOR THE BEAST who shall enforce the worship of its inclusive god and all
who fail to bend the knee to this god will be hunted to the ends of the earth .

 

[amigo de christo]

ABSOLUTELY = i LOVE TRUTH, it is my Daily BREAD

1 Thess 4:13-18 = Here is the Amplified Version since you are currently ill-informed of the Truth

Now we do not want you to be uninformed, believers, about those who are asleep [in death], so that you will not grieve [for them] as the others do who have no hope [beyond this present life].
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again [as in fact He did], even so God [in this same way--by raising them from the dead] will bring with Him those [believers] who have fallen asleep in Jesus.
For we say this to you by the Lord’s [own] word, that we who are still alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will in no way precede [into His presence] those [believers] who have fallen asleep [in death].
For the Lord Himself will come down from heaven with a shout of command, with the voice of the archangel and with the [blast of the] trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

After (The Resurrection), we who are alive and remain [on the earth] will simultaneously be caught up (raptured) together with them [the resurrected ones] in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord!
Therefore comfort and encourage one another with these words [concerning our reunion with believers who have died].

The hour has come . And is peaking in this world .
The false religoins , much of christendom now buy into the universal inclusive love god who has and is convincing
them all , they serve the one true God . Only ...........it aint GOD . it is satan and a delusion has been unleashed
to merge the decieved false religoins who rejected the love of the truth , along
with the decieved lip only In christendom . And all do love a lie . they are in love with a love
they BELIEVE is of GOD and they beleive this anti christ dilagoue is the peace plan of God .
There was never anything i could do to have stopped this david .
I knew way back in two thousand and seven or mayb eight , when i first seen
a co exist pamplet , IT WOULD LEAD THE WORLD and its religoins as one .
And boy has it grown david . My how it has grown . My advice
to us all is , FAITHFUL UNTO DEATH . cause persecution OH ITS COMING and its coming against us all my friend .

 

[amigo de christo]

ABSOLUTELY = i LOVE TRUTH, it is my Daily BREAD

1 Thess 4:13-18 = Here is the Amplified Version since you are currently ill-informed of the Truth

Now we do not want you to be uninformed, believers, about those who are asleep [in death], so that you will not grieve [for them] as the others do who have no hope [beyond this present life].
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again [as in fact He did], even so God [in this same way--by raising them from the dead] will bring with Him those [believers] who have fallen asleep in Jesus.
For we say this to you by the Lord’s [own] word, that we who are still alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will in no way precede [into His presence] those [believers] who have fallen asleep [in death].
For the Lord Himself will come down from heaven with a shout of command, with the voice of the archangel and with the [blast of the] trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

After (The Resurrection), we who are alive and remain [on the earth] will simultaneously be caught up (raptured) together with them [the resurrected ones] in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord!
Therefore comfort and encourage one another with these words [concerning our reunion with believers who have died].

Though he slay me yet STILL will i serve Him .
OUR MINDSET must be AS FLINT . And the cost BETTER BE COUNTED .
cause the days of t shirt chirstianity cometh to an end .
We wont be reading about TRIbulATION . WE GONNA BE FACING IT . And if our hope and trust be not IN CHRIST
none will make it faithful to the end . Its men we cannot trust , GOD ALONE thus CHRIST thus HIS WORDS .
That is what we make our stand on my friend . DO not let them pry the TRUTH of scripture from you .
cause all that is , IS delusion . GOD cannot LIE and HIS WORD IS TRUTH .

 

[David in NJ]

Though he slay me yet STILL will i serve Him .
OUR MINDSET must be AS FLINT . And the cost BETTER BE COUNTED .
cause the days of t shirt chirstianity cometh to an end .
We wont be reading about TRIbulATION . WE GONNA BE FACING IT . And if our hope and trust be not IN CHRIST
none will make it faithful to the end . Its men we cannot trust , GOD ALONE thus CHRIST thus HIS WORDS .
That is what we make our stand on my friend . DO not let them pry the TRUTH of scripture from you .
cause all that is , IS delusion . GOD cannot LIE and HIS WORD IS TRUTH .

Most christians are ignorant of Job = What God did with Job is a Prophecy

 

[ewq1938]

Personally, I think the tribulation saints won't be part of the marriage supper of the lamb as this appears to happen in heaven when the tribulation saints are here on earth.

All saved Christians are the bride. No one "misses" anything. The supper does not happen while some of the bride are somewhere else. It's also a symbolic supper, not literal and it's the same with the marriage.

 

[CrowCross]

ABSOLUTELY = i LOVE TRUTH, it is my Daily BREAD

1 Thess 4:13-18 = Here is the Amplified Version since you are currently ill-informed of the Truth

Now we do not want you to be uninformed, believers, about those who are asleep [in death], so that you will not grieve [for them] as the others do who have no hope [beyond this present life].
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again [as in fact He did], even so God [in this same way--by raising them from the dead] will bring with Him those [believers] who have fallen asleep in Jesus.
For we say this to you by the Lord’s [own] word, that we who are still alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will in no way precede [into His presence] those [believers] who have fallen asleep [in death].
For the Lord Himself will come down from heaven with a shout of command, with the voice of the archangel and with the [blast of the] trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

After (The Resurrection), we who are alive and remain [on the earth] will simultaneously be caught up (raptured) together with them [the resurrected ones] in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord!
Therefore comfort and encourage one another with these words [concerning our reunion with believers who have died].

Were you trying to make an anti-pretribulation point?

 

[David in NJ]

Were you trying to make an anti-pretribulation point?

1 Thessalonians was Authored by the Holy Spirit and penned by the Apostle Paul.

Are you resisting the Holy Spirit of Truth?

 

[amigo de christo]

Most christians are ignorant of Job = What God did with Job is a Prophecy

verily verily i do type unto thee , most christains are ignorant of not only job and the scriptures
but do not have the knowledge of the Most HOLY GOD who did inspire such beautiful words upon which
THE SHEEP do surely FEED .
Many had rather TWIST and omit such words to fit into that which man has declared to be TRUTH .
And that BE A MAJOR and A MASSIVE problem .
When the sheep read , THEY BELEIVE .
When a goat reads it twists and it surely omits anything that gets in the way
of ITS own lustful hearts desire .
And that IS and that BE a FACT .
THE sheep beleive FOR JESUS HAS THE SHEEP and By THE SPIRIT he do lead them .
And by THE SPIRIT they have the love for HIM above all and thus WOULD and DO love HIS WORDS .
and again that be a fact that many are quite ignorant of my friend .
And that aint me condmening them or anyone , THAT IS JUST A fact .
ITs not the warner who exposes the sins and errors that is the one DOING the condeming .
ITS the one and ones WHO REJECT the correction that condmen THEIR OWN selves .
FOR what i say to you and i say to all
TO REJECT the words of GOD in favor of the precepts of men , IS deadly dangerous and the end of such a soul
WILL NOT BE GOOD . Lest of course they repent .

 

[amigo de christo]

1 Thessalonians was Authored by the Holy Spirit and penned by the Apostle Paul.

Are you resisting the Holy Spirit of Truth?

and now a word . One me thinks you already do agree with my friend .
And it aint just pauls words , its ALL them letters in that bible .
And to be honest i mean from page ONE in gensis to the last page of revealtion
THAT IS and THAT WAS INSPIRED BY GOD ALL MIGHTY .
And again that be a fact . And JESUS is not in the business of omitting the words OF the F ATHER .
HE IS THE WORD OF GOD and by HIM were all things created that are created .
JESUS dont contradict GOD , and none of them apostels writings did either .
IT WAS that ONE SAME HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD that did inspire such beautiful words .
And the sheep , THEY NO TWISTY and OMITTY such lovely and pure words .
THEY rather BELIEVE Such words . EVEN when they do not understand , STILL THEY BELEIVE .
Like a little child , OH THEY DO BELEIVE .
And now anotehr word , LEST YE BECOME as lit tle children YE shall IN NO WISE enter into the kingdom of GOD .
And his children , BELIEVE HIM .

 

[amigo de christo]

1 Thessalonians was Authored by the Holy Spirit and penned by the Apostle Paul.

Are you resisting the Holy Spirit of Truth?

wanna know HOW i knew pre trib was incorrect .
NOT because i sat under men and learned of men
but rather for years i had sat and read that bible for myself , loving such lovely words .
THEY really THINK its two events dont they .
BUT NO SIR it aint . ITS ONE . WHEN JESUS COMETH for his sheep
HE COMETH TO ALSO LAY DOWN THE MIGHTY WRATH OF GOD upon all
who had loved a lie , all who had worshipped the beast and took its mark .
These people need to just read the bible FOR themselves .

 

[amigo de christo]

1 Thessalonians was Authored by the Holy Spirit and penned by the Apostle Paul.

Are you resisting the Holy Spirit of Truth?

They try so hard to give answers . OH they really really do my friend .
But have ya noticed their answers are always TIED to the doctrines of men .
The poor fellow tried to explain to me the difference between what HIS doctrine
says is saints verses what HIS doctrine says is TRIBULATION saints .
I smell a real pugent odor coming from folks whose hopes werre in men and thus in their doctrine .
I did not get the memo that AFTER JESUS comes for the saints
THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN the beast rises up and cometh after THE LEFT BEHIND who become so called
Tribulation saints . IT says , and I DO quoate , THE BEAST MAKES WAR WITH THE SAINTS .
AND LOOK at what JESUS says . They chop his words up to bits to fit what little they do bring
TO FIT PRE TRIB . JESUS prepared HIS OWN FOR tribulation with a warning
that HE WHO ENDURES TO THE END shall be saved . WITH a warning of many betrayals
and many being put to death .
THEY say OH no worries , JESUS WONT let us GO THROUGH ALL THAT .
ONLY IT DARN SURE AINT WHAT JESUS SAID. HE WARNED THEM THEY WOULD GO THROUGH IT and to endure
to the END .

 

[amigo de christo]

1 Thessalonians was Authored by the Holy Spirit and penned by the Apostle Paul.

Are you resisting the Holy Spirit of Truth?

What did paul tell the church concerning tribulation .
That it is the rigtheous judgment of GOD that we be counted worthy to suffer FOR the kingdom .
What did paul tell the church .
What did james warn the church about tribulations
WHAT DID JESUS warn the church .
Ev en in revelation . WHAT DID HE warn the church .
All about enduring faithful TO THE END through all persecutions and tribulation .
PRE TRIB prepares them to ONLY ESCAPE IT .
And folks wonder why a chinese pastor wept as he was saying
HE HAD FAILED HIS CHURCHES . Thank GOD he did repent later .
BUT HE said WE did not prepare them at all for what was coming
we were telling them we would be raptured before it got bad .
JUST LIKE THEY DOING TODAY . and david , ITS ABOUT TO GET REAL HARSH and bad .
THEY gonna sell out . they even gonna question GOD on WHY this was allowed to come upon them .
THEY BELIEVED PRE TRIB , NOT JESUS and that will be a heavy price for them to pay ON HIS DAY .
As for me , I AM G ONNA warn and prepare this people .
TO NUMBER ONE get the heck outta anything ecumeincal inclusive intefaith of anti christ
cause its all a lie and a delusion .
AND number two , BE FAITH F UL UNTO THE DEATH . COUNT THE COST and prepare
to be of the mind set to be faithf ul to the end no matter what cometh upon them .
CAUSE david . OH yes david , ITS GONNA GET REAL HARSH sooner than folks realize .
OUR betrayal IS COMING david . ITS CO MING . and its all goin g to be done
under the guise of love , of tolerance , of unity and of PEACE and all claimed as though it be of GOD .
WHEN ALL ALONG it was satan and his h arlot , that which is of anti christ and the beast .

 

[amigo de christo]

1 Thessalonians was Authored by the Holy Spirit and penned by the Apostle Paul.

Are you resisting the Holy Spirit of Truth?

the bee stings were mild next to what is coming against us david .
They will come for blood . And this aint really a new thing FOR the church .
Because throughout the ages times of perseuctions tribulations and blood have come upon the faithful .
THE ONLY THING IS , THIS TIME IS MASSIVE , ITS WORLD WIDE , IT IS THE GREAT TRIBULATION HOUR wherein
it ALL HIT that peak . WE ARE the last generation david . And the signs of the times
do blosoom as does the fruit of inquity does ripen in the sour grape .
The harvest is ripe
SO TOO is the wicked vine of inquity .
JESUS will come TO END THIS WORLD . and all not faithful to HIM are GOING DOWN with it .
WE need to prepare this people now . THUS if i were a pastor
a leader of a church this is exactly HOW i would have done it .
I had stood before all and said , You see all these other books , GET RID OF THEM ALL
and WE JUST GONNA STICk TO THE BIBLE . ONE BOOK . to learn and to grow .

 

[PeterAndroz]

It's not using the complete Word of God that leads you to believe this incredible distorted doctrine you only espouse. Foolishness says Christians should only use parts of God's written Word, as though God says some things that apply only to the Jews? Just because in Christ we are no longer bound by the Levitical Laws of Old, does not mean that Christians under the New Covenant through Christ cannot learn by what God has said to those who lived under the Old Covenant. Is God ever changing? Does not Scripture tell us that God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow? The reason we are not stoned for sins as Law breakers as those of Old were, is because we live AFTER the cross made atonement for all sin, and defeated death. It was being faithfully obedient to the Law that cleansed the people of Old. The problem for them was the cleansing was not able to cleanse them inwardly (consciences), which is why they had to make sacrifices and offerings to God continually. When Christ came, His sacrifice was needed but once to inwardly cleanse (conscience) once for all who believe in Him.

How can we live by EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the mouth of God if we only believe part of what is written? Are His Words only in parts of the Bible?

We're told in God's written Word that ALL of the Scripture is given under inspiration of God that we could learn His doctrine as an example of how we ought to live and receive correction when we have erred. Because ALL of Scripture instructs us in righteousness, making the man of God (ALL of them) to be perfect, and thoroughly equipped to do all good works.

Matthew 4:4 (KJV) But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

""Foolishness says Christians should only use parts of God's written Word""
What sort of fool would teach that ANIMAL SACRIFICES are part of the forgiving process today ?
I'm glad you're not that type of FOOL who would use that part of the Bible for today

 

[David in NJ]

""Foolishness says Christians should only use parts of God's written Word""
What sort of fool would teach that ANIMAL SACRIFICES are part of the forgiving process today ?
I'm glad you're not that type of FOOL who would use that part of the Bible for today

How would you understand Christ dying on the Cross for our sins without knowing Genesis, Exodus, Isaiah.

Peter, you need the Baptism of the Holy Spirit

Please read and pray the Gospel of John and then Acts

 

[Marvelloustime]

verily verily i do type unto thee , most christains are ignorant of not only job and the scriptures
but do not have the knowledge of the Most HOLY GOD who did inspire such beautiful words upon which
THE SHEEP do surely FEED .
Many had rather TWIST and omit such words to fit into that which man has declared to be TRUTH .
And that BE A MAJOR and A MASSIVE problem .
When the sheep read , THEY BELEIVE .
When a goat reads it twists and it surely omits anything that gets in the way
of ITS own lustful hearts desire .
And that IS and that BE a FACT .
THE sheep beleive FOR JESUS HAS THE SHEEP and By THE SPIRIT he do lead them .
And by THE SPIRIT they have the love for HIM above all and thus WOULD and DO love HIS WORDS .
and again that be a fact that many are quite ignorant of my friend .
And that aint me condmening them or anyone , THAT IS JUST A fact .
ITs not the warner who exposes the sins and errors that is the one DOING the condeming .
ITS the one and ones WHO REJECT the correction that condmen THEIR OWN selves .
FOR what i say to you and i say to all
TO REJECT the words of GOD in favor of the precepts of men , IS deadly dangerous and the end of such a soul
WILL NOT BE GOOD . Lest of course they repent .

@amigo de christo

 

[rebuilder 454]

All saved Christians are the bride. No one "misses" anything. The supper does not happen while some of the bride are somewhere else. It's also a symbolic supper, not literal and it's the same with the marriage.

In mat 24, the before the flood gathering, who is taken and who is left?
Half the church?