The Two Anointed Ones = The Two Witnesses

[Earburner]

How does that address the fact that Rev 11's two prophets die at the same time and day, and resurrect from the dead at the same time and day? Your theory that they were John and Jesus does not fit the text. You think wrong dates can fix that other error? You've been shown the truth as to why they can't be who you think they are so accept it and change your view or stay in error.

I can't respond to the other errors until this one is settled.

Your theory about the "two anointed ones" and the "two witnesses", has nothing of value in any physical manifestation at all.
The dates I use are spiritually shown in Dan 9:24-27.
You have no legitimate dates, because church-ianity/pharisaism has moved the 70th week (of 7 years) about Jesus, into the far future.

That's wrong. It says they lie dead for 3.5 days then resurrect which mans they died at the same exact time, were dead for the same exact time and resurrect at the same time. The two witnesses are not two people only either.

No it does not!!! Your linear human mind is painting the picture for you, using the paint brush of many assumptions.
3.5 days is figurative for 3.5 years (1260 days), which is the precise length of time during the Joint ministry of John the Baptist and Jesus
John prophesied for 6 mos., and Jesus prophesied for 3.0 years.

I have already shown for example, that in prophetic scripture, God gives us key words to look at, whereby the mind of the Holy Spirit within us (if we hear Him) will associate those keywords to the truth that he wants to reveal from out of the context of the Bible.

In Rev. 11, the KJV identifies nothing about any literal time. It only alludes to it by saying "where also our Lord was crucified". And for that, we do know the date.
Rev. 11
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Now, for the understanding of those words, you must have the spiritual understanding about them, as the Mind of Christ does teach us through the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 2:10-13), and NOT THAT which has been taught to us through the human wisdom of a "denominational" belief system of a Christian Religion, which is Pharisaisim.

 

[Earburner]

Have you seen the other view, that the two prophets are the law and prophet books of the OT? Interpretations like that simply do not match the details of the text and no amount of symbolic interpretation can rectify the contradictions.

I agree 100%. That concept about "the law and prophet books" does not take into consideration the "spiritual things" that God has provided for us through Christ Jesus.

When we are Born again of the Holy Spirit, we immediately step into the KoG of God and begin to learn by His instruction from within.
No longer are we dependent upon the teachings by the wisdom of men. Unfortunately, that is where our conflict exists.
Since our youth, our human mind is too accustomed to listening to the self imposed authority of the Religion of men, who DO NOT HAVE the Holy Spirit within them.

Now please pay particular attention to this:
1 Cor. 2
9 But as it is written, Eye hath NOT seen, NOR ear heard, NEITHER have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 BUT God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

 

[ewq1938]

3.5 days is figurative for 3.5 years (1260 days),

That's false. It is 3.5 days.

which is the precise length of time during the Joint ministry of John the Baptist and Jesus

That's also false. There was no joint ministry because John died at the start of Christ's ministry.

In Rev. 11, the KJV identifies nothing about any literal time.

That's false.

It only alludes to it by saying "where also our Lord was crucified". And for that, we do know the date.

That about the same basic location not a date.

Rev. 11
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Now, for the understanding of those words, you must have the spiritual understanding about them, as the Mind of Christ does teach us through the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 2:10-13), and NOT THAT which has been taught to us through the human wisdom of a "denominational" belief system of a Christian Religion, which is Pharisaisim.

Anything taught that is wrong about the passage comes from a "denominational" belief system of a Christian Religion, which is Pharisaisim. Everything in your post is wrong about the passage.


You keep avoiding the fact that John and Jesus did not die at the same time, lay dead and resurrect at the same time. That automatically makes your theory false and a teaching of church-ianity which is a man made non-biblical teaching.

 

[ewq1938]

Just make sure you pay double attention to it. Almost always the ones teaching error also preach endlessly about others teaching error and they can't see their own errors. They have convinced themselves they have the special insight given by the Spirit so they cannot be wrong when they are the most wrong of all.

Now please pay particular attention to this:
1 Cor. 2
9 But as it is written, Eye hath NOT seen, NOR ear heard, NEITHER have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 BUT God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

 

[Earburner]

That's false. It is 3.5 days.

Nope! It's symbolic for 3.5 years, by how it is also explained in Dan. 9:27.
27 And he [Jesus] shall confirm the covenant with many for one week [7 years]: and in the midst of the week [3.5 years] he [Jesus] shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he [Jesus] shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined [in verse 24] shall be poured upon the desolate [Acts 2:17-18, 10:45], aka the day of Pentecost

That's also false. There was no joint ministry because John died at the start of Christ's ministry.

You didn't know that John and Jesus were related? You didn't know that while John was in his mother's womb, he knew who Jesus was, when Mary came to visit Elizabeth? You didn't know that John and Jesus were chosen by God to be HisTeam to tell the world who Jesus is and who God the Father is??
Yeah they were a joint ministry indeed!

That's false.

Just an empty accusation with no follow up on your part.

That about the same basic location not a date.

In spite of your empty answer revealing denial, I know that you do know the date of John's beheading and Jesus' crucifixion.

Anything taught that is wrong about the passage comes from a "denominational" belief system of a Christian Religion, which is Pharisaisim. Everything in your post is wrong about the passage.

Most of denominational Christianity have lost their way, because they listen to the wisdom of men from their Bible Colleges!!

You keep avoiding the fact that John and Jesus did not die at the same time, lay dead and resurrect at the same time. That automatically makes your theory false and a teaching of church-ianity which is a man made non-biblical teaching.

Show me the words verbatim, that describe that they lay dead at the precise identical time.
You can't do it, because as I said, it's not there!!
You are in denial of truth being revealed to you.

 

[ewq1938]

Nope! It's symbolic for 3.5 years, by how it is also explained in Dan. 9:27.

So was Christ in the grave 3 years also?

You didn't know that John and Jesus were related? You didn't know that while John was in his mother's womb, he knew who Jesus was, when Mary came to visit Elizabeth? You didn't know that John and Jesus were chosen by God to be HisTeam to tell the world who Jesus is and who God the Father is??
Yeah they were a joint ministry indeed!

No, Christ's ministry did not involve John because John was murdered. Don't you know the two prophets of Rev 11 die the same time and day? Does that not matter? They are not John and Jesus.

Most of denominational Christianity have lost their way, because they listen to the wisdom of men from their Bible Colleges!!

Or internet forums. Anything that does not match the scriptures is pure fiction.

Show me the words verbatim, that describe that they lay dead at the precise identical time.
You can't do it, because as I said, it's not there!!

It's there in Rev 11 but nothing it says is going to matter.

You are in denial of truth being revealed to you.

None of that interpretation is truth.

 

[Earburner]

Just make sure you pay double attention to it. Almost always the ones teaching error also preach endlessly about others teaching error and they can't see their own errors. They have convinced themselves they have the special insight given by the Spirit so they cannot be wrong when they are the most wrong of all.

The Pharisees viewed Jesus in the same light

So was Christ in the grave 3 years also?




No, Christ's ministry did not involve John because John was murdered. Don't you know the two prophets of Rev 11 die the same time and day? Does that not matter? They are not John and Jesus.




Or internet forums. Anything that does not match the scriptures is pure fiction.




It's there in Rev 11 but nothing it says is going to matter.




None of that interpretation is truth.

Again show me the words in Rev. 11 that prove that the two witnesses die at the same time.
You can't!! It's literally not there!

But, because you misunderstand Dan. 9:27, and what church-ianity has done with the 70th week about Jesus (put it out into the far future, along with the figurative 1000 years) they (Darby/Scofield and company) have corrupted everything that there is to understand about the book of Revelation.
By most christian denominations and christians, no longer is Rev. understood to be describing events of the past, present and future. Unfortunately the book is now considered by them to be prophecies about the future only.

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[TribulationSigns]

You guys are a riot. You STILL can’t even agree among yourselves on who the Two Witnesses really are, the meaning of 1,260 days, 3-1/2 days, fire coming out of mouth, lying dead in the street of the city, etc. yet you’re so certain everyone else has it wrong? Wow. At this point, you’re just digging a bigger hole together—and neither one of you seems to realize it.

You need to check the true and accurate biblical perspective for Two Witnesses.

 

[ewq1938]

Again show me the words in Rev. 11 that prove that the two witnesses die at the same time.

I've already explained this.

 

[Earburner]

You guys are a riot. You STILL can’t even agree among yourselves on who the Two Witnesses really are, the meaning of 1,260 days, 3-1/2 days, fire coming out of mouth, lying dead in the street of the city, etc. yet you’re so certain everyone else has it wrong? Wow. At this point, you’re just digging a bigger hole together—and neither one of you seems to realize it.

You need to check the true and accurate biblical perspective for Two Witnesses.

Many times, for all of the searching for a truth, and all the time of doing so, all along it was the Elephant in the room and nobody noticed it.

 

[Earburner]

I've already explained this.

Can you provide the post# of that explanation?

 

[TribulationSigns]

Many times, for all of the searching for a truth, and all the time of doing so, all along it was the Elephant in the room and nobody noticed it.

Still avoid the questions over there?

 

[Earburner]

You guys are a riot. You STILL can’t even agree among yourselves on who the Two Witnesses really are, the meaning of 1,260 days, 3-1/2 days, fire coming out of mouth, lying dead in the street of the city, etc. yet you’re so certain everyone else has it wrong? Wow. At this point, you’re just digging a bigger hole together—and neither one of you seems to realize it.

You need to check the true and accurate biblical perspective for Two Witnesses.

As long as Christians follow the doctrines of the two Theologins of church-ianity, as I had posted in #187, there is no hope for any correct understanding of who the Two witnesses WERE or WHEN.

 

[ewq1938]

Can you provide the post# of that explanation?

The Two Anointed Ones = The Two Witnesses

Use the combined term - the resurrection/rapture. I don't know how YOU are meaning the word "Rapture". Because of false beliefs about the so called: "The Rapture", I refrain from using that word, for reasons of accidently leading people astray into a FALSE hope. I once believed in that theory...

www.christianityboard.com

 

[Earburner]

The Two Anointed Ones = The Two Witnesses

Use the combined term - the resurrection/rapture. I don't know how YOU are meaning the word "Rapture". Because of false beliefs about the so called: "The Rapture", I refrain from using that word, for reasons of accidently leading people astray into a FALSE hope. I once believed in that theory...

www.christianityboard.com

I received the thread title and page, but am I to choose which post number you are referring to?
Is it #151?

 

[ewq1938]

I received the thread title and page, but am I to choose which post number you are referring to?

When clicked, it brought me to the exact post.

Is it #151?

Yes