The Two Anointed Ones = The Two Witnesses

[TribulationSigns]

If one would read Mat. 27:54 and Rev. 11:11, both scriptures give the reaction of the people who literally SAW "Dead men walking", they feared greatly.
And so would you, if you were there. I don't know about you, but if I never heard of or had seen what a resurrection looks like, as that of people coming out of their graves, and then walking around, yeah I would say that I too would be somewhat fearful.

If you are not an Amillennial believer in Christ, you will always believe that there is coming two people in the future who would be Elijah and Enoch coming back to life again. And you think that I have problems?

Time out. Even you are amillennialist (with seasonings of preterism), you still get the interpreation wrong.

You are trying to join Matthew 27:54 and Revelation 11:11 together without biblical evidence that they describe the same people or the same event.

Matthew 27:54 happened at the crucifixion of Christ. The centurion and those with him saw the earthquake and what had happened and “feared greatly.” The resurrection of the "bodies of the saints" is mentioned immediately afterward in Matthew 27:52–53. This belongs to the historical events surrounding Christ's death and resurrection.


Revelation 11 is describing something entirely different. The Two Witnesses first prophesy and bear testimony (Rev. 11:3–7). When their testimony is finished, the beast makes war against them, overcomes them, and kills them. After the symbolic three-and-a-half days, “the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them” (Rev. 11:11).


The fact that both passages mention great fear does not make them the same event as you think. People “fear greatly” in many different biblical circumstances.


There is also a chronological problem with your argument. Matthew 27 occurs before Pentecost. At Pentecost Christ poured out the Holy Spirit upon His people and empowered them to become His witnesses:


“Ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me...unto the uttermost part of the earth.” — Acts 1:8


That worldwide Gospel witness is what characterizes the New Testament Church age. Revelation 11 similarly describes the witnesses prophesying and giving testimony until their testimony is completed (Rev. 11:3, 7).


Therefore Matthew 27 cannot simply be imported into Revelation 11 as proof that Revelation's Two Witnesses are literally resurrected individuals walking around. Matthew never identifies the resurrected saints of Matthew 27 as Revelation's Two Witnesses. Revelation never identifies its Two Witnesses as those saints.


And Revelation 11:11 itself does not say “dead men walking," as you falsely alleged. It says:


“the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet.”


You are adding “walking” to the passage again. “Stood upon their feet” is not the Greek expression for “walked.”


Within my interpretation, the imagery is perfectly consistent: God's faithful witnesses proclaim the Gospel throughout the New Testament period; the beast eventually makes war against them and overcomes their testimony; their testimony appears dead and silenced; then God restores and publicly vindicates His witnesses as they begin to prophesy judgment against unfaithful churches as they depart, producing great fear among their enemies.

Matthew 27:54 does not refute it. To establish your argument, you would need Scripture actually connecting the saints raised around Christ's crucifixion with the Two Witnesses of Revelation 11. Merely observing that both passages contain the words “feared greatly” does not establish that connection. Selah!

 

[Jay Ross]

Again my worth: -

G:4153 has this meaning: -



And Rev 11:13 should be paraphrased in this manner: -

Revelation 11:13: - 13 And at that hour there was great turmoil, and a tenth of the city fell. Seven thousand people were killed in the turmoil, and the rest were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Shalom

 

[TribulationSigns]

Again my worth: -

G:4153 has this meaning: -

And Rev 11:13 should be paraphrased in this manner: -

Revelation 11:13: - 13 And at that hour there was great turmoil, and a tenth of the city fell. Seven thousand people were killed in the turmoil, and the rest were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Shalom

My million dollar questions are:

1. When is that hour?
2. What city is this?
3. What does the tenth signifies?
4. Who are the Seven Thousand?
5. How will they be killed?
6. Who are the rest?
7. Why did they give glory to God of Heaven?

 

[ewq1938]

If you are not an Amillennial believer in Christ, you will always believe that there is coming two people in the future who would be Elijah and Enoch coming back to life again.

No one knows who they will be. Some ppl think it's them because both did not die yet but while a valid interpretation, it's still a guess. My position is we cannot know who they are until those exact events happen. Thinking the two prophets of Rev 11 were Jesus and John is more outlandish and I doubt many Amills would agree with it.

And you think that I have problems?

Your interpretation is not good (only the interp, not you).

 

[Jay Ross]

My million dollar questions are:

1. When is that hour?
2. What city is this?
3. What does the tenth signifies?
4. Who are the Seven Thousand?
5. How will they be killed?
6. Who are the rest?
7. Why did they give glory to God of Heaven?

Your valuation of the seven questions is questionable to say the least.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Your valuation of the seven questions is questionable to say the least.

Ha! Calling my seven questions “questionable” is not an answer to any of them.

You have spent considerable time insisting that Revelation 11 must be understood according to your interpretation, yet when I ask you to explain Revelation 11:13 in its own context, you dismiss the questions instead of answering them.

These are not trick questions. They are valid! Every one of them comes directly from the verse you are attempting to interpret:

What is the hour? What is the city? Why one-tenth? Who are the seven thousand? How are they killed? Who are the rest? Why do the rest give glory to the God of heaven?

If your interpretation is biblically sound, then you should be able to demonstrate it from Scripture. Don't simply call the questions “questionable.”

You have insisted upon literal meanings for the Two Witnesses, their bodies, and their standing upon their feet. Fine. Then follow your method consistently through the rest of the passage. Explain the city, tenth, earthquake, seven thousand, remnant, and giving glory to God then!

Otherwise, you are selecting the portions you want interpreted literally while avoiding the surrounding details that test whether your interpretation actually holds together.

I asked seven valid biblical questions. You answered zero. Surprise, surprise!

So rather than criticizing my “valuation” of the questions, please answer them one by one from Scripture. Then we can examine whose interpretation best accounts for the whole passage rather than isolated phrases.

Selah!

 

[Douggg]

My million dollar questions are:

1. When is that hour?
2. What city is this?
3. What does the tenth signifies?
4. Who are the Seven Thousand?
5. How will they be killed?
6. Who are the rest?
7. Why did they give glory to God of Heaven?

1. When is the hour ? Answer, within the same hour that the two witnesses ascended up to heaven in cloud. v12-13.

2. What city is this ? Answer, Jerusalem. Where people celebrated the two witnesses death.

3. What does the tenth signifies ? Answer, ten percent of the buildings in Jerusalem.

4. Who are the Seven thousand ? Answer, seven thousand persons died in the collapsed buildings.

5. How will they be killed ? Answer, by the weight of collapsing buildings

6. Who are the rest ? Answer, the survivors of the earthquake, who were frightened by it.

7. Why did they give glory to God of Heaven ? Answer, they were frightened, hoping that God would not issue another judgment for their misdeeds of celebrating the two witnesses deaths.