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You are proving that the disciples did not understand Christ’s death and resurrection before it happened. You are not proving that Peter later preached a different gospel from Paul.

Matthew 16:21-22 says Peter resisted what Jesus told him. Luke 18:34 goes even further and says, “they understood none of these things.” Fine. Nobody is arguing otherwise.

But after the resurrection, Jesus “opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures” (Luke 24:45). Then Peter went out and preached Christ crucified, risen from the dead, and remission of sins through faith in His name.

Acts 10:43 says, “through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.” That is Peter preaching salvation through faith in Christ.

You keep reaching back before Calvary as though Peter remained ignorant afterward. He did not. Christ opened his understanding, and Peter preached the death and resurrection of Christ.

And you still have not answered 1 Corinthians 15:11. Paul described the gospel of Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection, then said of himself and the other apostles, “Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.”

That verse is fatal to your argument. Paul did not say, “I preached one gospel and they preached another.” He said, “whether it were I or they, so we preach.”

You are trying to force two saving gospels into Scripture when Scripture itself says the apostles preached the same gospel. Matthew 16 does not rescue that teaching. It simply does not.
Yep . it was simply kept back from their understanding , TILL AFTER JESUS had rose from the dead .
And why were the jewish leaders grieved .
because it was THROUGH JESUS they preached the RESSURECTION of the dead .
Look at how peter had warned even the jews .
THEY went about preaching the one true gospel that at the first paul would persecute
but later he too recieved the one same gospel and then he would go and preach the same .
Those preaching this two gospel stuff simply cling to the flesh .
John hagee did a lot of major damage by his book unto all who beleived it .
As do and as did many others . Stay dug like an alabama seed tick TO them scrips my friend .
Let not man pry the T RUTH from us . many have loved to sit under men
but the sheep shall cling to CHRIST .
 
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Your lottery illustration still assumes the point you have not proven. A man can only “already have won the lottery” if he has actually won it. Where does Scripture say an unbelieving, unrepentant sinner has already received forgiveness and simply does not know it?

Scripture says the opposite.

“He that believeth not is condemned already” (John 3:18).

“He that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him” (John 3:36).

And Acts 10:43 says, “whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.”

So the issue is not whether someone knows he is forgiven, enjoys his forgiveness, or shares it with others. The issue is whether he possesses forgiveness at all before repentance and faith.

Your illustration assumes yes. Scripture says no.
And when the scrips say NO , WE SAY NO .
Too many have been enamoured by clever men who simply twist the scrips unto them .
And have bought the lies of men claimed as though its the doctrine of God .
But the sheep do not hear such hirelings , for JESUS has the sheep .
Lets examine .
But sirs what must i do to be saved . Did paul and others say OH YOU ALREADY HAVE salvation BEFORE YOU BELIEVE
or did they say , YE MUST BELIEVE .
But sirs what must i do to be saved . BELIEVE YE on JESUS CHRIST and ye shall .....................
 
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Dolly Parton Believed in God, but Was It the God of the Bible?​


Wow… :-(
pay attention . you act LIKE everyone who says and cliams they believe on JESUS
actually DO .
You gots to examine the fruits . DOLLY lied more than once and she did support gay marriage and etc .
Not to mention she beleives everyone has their own interpreation of Truth and of GOD .
Friend , though i did not ever once desire the death of Dolly
and i sure hope she repented near her end as she got sicker and sicker , WE GOTS to expose what is false
and not be as the many who always holler judge not correct not expose not .
 
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pay attention . you act LIKE everyone who says and cliams they believe on JESUS
actually DO .
You gots to examine the fruits . DOLLY lied more than once and she did support gay marriage and etc .
Not to mention she beleives everyone has their own interpreation of Truth and of GOD .
Friend , though i did not ever once desire the death of Dolly
and i sure hope she repented near her end as she got sicker and sicker , WE GOTS to expose what is false
and not be as the many who always holler judge not correct not expose not .
Oh good grief…I Believe a person when they say they Believe IN God…. same as I Believe a person when they say they do Not Believe IN God.

I do NOT automatically Wonder “IF”…an American with long standing American roots is Speaking of God Almighty or some other god.

Neither do I assume EVERY Believer HAS a committed “Relationship” WITH God.

Neither do I assume a saved individual… is Perfect in all their ways “According to MY Accounting”.

Your “petty” accusations HAVE Nothing to do with a persons Yoked Relationship with The Lord God””.

God didn’t PERFECT a mans Natural Body.
Every Saved Living man…every single day, does thing that DOES NOT glorify Gods Name…. And All such things Shall be burned.

Cheering at a ball game…
Dancing…
Irritated waiting lines…
Getting a manicure …
Saying what you think is true, but isn’t…
Blah, blah, blah… DO NOT Glorify God…
And all those things go into the burn pile.

A body, Not in Heartful belief… follows along with everyone’s works that do not Glorify God, into the burn pile.

Never Have I heard Dolly proclaim she Did Not Believe in God.

If you have… present your proof evidence.

You pretending, YOU are privy to Dolly’s Heart’s Belief and Gods Knowledge of All Hearts Beliefs….
IS ridiculous.
Only God and the individual KNOW the individuals True Heartful Belief.
 

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Oh good grief…I Believe a person when they say they Believe IN God…. same as I Believe a person when they say they do Not Believe IN God.

I do NOT automatically Wonder “IF”…an American with long standing American roots is Speaking of God Almighty or some other god.

Neither do I assume EVERY Believer HAS a committed “Relationship” WITH God.

Neither do I assume a saved individual… is Perfect in all their ways “According to MY Accounting”.

Your “petty” accusations HAVE Nothing to do with a persons Yoked Relationship with The Lord God””.

God didn’t PERFECT a mans Natural Body.
Every Saved Living man…every single day, does thing that DOES NOT glorify Gods Name…. And All such things Shall be burned.

Cheering at a ball game…
Dancing…
Irritated waiting lines…
Getting a manicure …
Saying what you think is true, but isn’t…
Blah, blah, blah… DO NOT Glorify God…
And all those things go into the burn pile.

A body, Not in Heartful belief… follows along with everyone’s works that do not Glorify God, into the burn pile.

Never Have I heard Dolly proclaim she Did Not Believe in God.

If you have… present your proof evidence.

You pretending, YOU are privy to Dolly’s Heart’s Belief and Gods Knowledge of All Hearts Beliefs….
IS ridiculous.
Only God and the individual KNOW the individuals True Heartful Belief.
sorry friend but i aint buying this .
I notice what christains YOU support and OH YEAH which ones you THROW out , namely ME as the thrown out
OH BUT DOLLY SHE IS A CHRISTAIN , but me a hater .
NO i aint buying this speech of yours .
I ALSO notice how ya run to the ecuemincal int efaith .
W HICH I KNOW WITHOUT A DOUBT ONE is c oming from anti christs .
NOW why would GOD lead you into that
AND YET have me warn so hard against it .
WE CANT BOTH be hearing from GOD . either you or me BUT NOT BOTH .
You gonna have to dig in some bible for a while my friend .
IF YOU DID , you might just be so shocked , LIKE I WAS , when you in time realize
OH MY GOODNESS christendom is being fleeced by all sides and by ther leaders too .
Oh dear am i a hater and judgemental monster .
OR am i speaking the truth .
NOW when you GO to truly seek out that answer . DO NOT run to men of any realm
RUN TO GOD and OPEN BIBLE . I AM SURE HE WILL REVEAL THE TRUTH TO YOU .
but DO NOT run to men on any side . OPEN AND READ and keep reading . YOU SEE . YOU SEE for your own self .
DO i speak the truth or am i confused and a hater . HURRY NOW . OPEN BIBLE now . Go on
get busy reading it .
 

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Oh good grief…I Believe a person when they say they Believe IN God…. same as I Believe a person when they say they do Not Believe IN God.

I do NOT automatically Wonder “IF”…an American with long standing American roots is Speaking of God Almighty or some other god.

Neither do I assume EVERY Believer HAS a committed “Relationship” WITH God.

Neither do I assume a saved individual… is Perfect in all their ways “According to MY Accounting”.

Your “petty” accusations HAVE Nothing to do with a persons Yoked Relationship with The Lord God””.

God didn’t PERFECT a mans Natural Body.
Every Saved Living man…every single day, does thing that DOES NOT glorify Gods Name…. And All such things Shall be burned.

Cheering at a ball game…
Dancing…
Irritated waiting lines…
Getting a manicure …
Saying what you think is true, but isn’t…
Blah, blah, blah… DO NOT Glorify God…
And all those things go into the burn pile.

A body, Not in Heartful belief… follows along with everyone’s works that do not Glorify God, into the burn pile.

Never Have I heard Dolly proclaim she Did Not Believe in God.

If you have… present your proof evidence.

You pretending, YOU are privy to Dolly’s Heart’s Belief and Gods Knowledge of All Hearts Beliefs….
IS ridiculous.
Only God and the individual KNOW the individuals True Heartful Belief.
and while its true that at the first i will also take the word of one who says he or she believes .
GUESS what else i do , that you sure dont seem to do .
YA GOTS TO TEST THOSE spirits . YOU gots to test them .
because when i say that many who cliam to believe on JESUS are totally false and do not truly beleive on JESUS
but rather another jesus . I AINT Kidding .
AND no mam i am not talking about christains who might slip , errr but THEN SURELY DO REPENT .
I mean and surely i do mean , MOST ALL of christendom and its leaders NOW are TOTALLY and completely FALSE
and cling o nly to wolves in wool . Now i truly do undestand why you might find that hard to beleive.
AND i also understand why that seems so darn judgmental .
BUT IF YOU GET thine face IN that bible , I AM TELLING you
that in TIME you gonna see this .
 

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and while its true that at the first i will also take the word of one who says he or she believes .
GUESS what else i do , that you sure dont seem to do .
YA GOTS TO TEST THOSE spirits . YOU gots to test them .
because when i say that many who cliam to believe on JESUS are totally false and do not truly beleive on JESUS
but rather another jesus . I AINT Kidding .
AND no mam i am not talking about christains who might slip , errr but THEN SURELY DO REPENT .
I mean and surely i do mean , MOST ALL of christendom and its leaders NOW are TOTALLY and completely FALSE
and cling o nly to wolves in wool . Now i truly do undestand why you might find that hard to beleive.
AND i also understand why that seems so darn judgmental .
BUT IF YOU GET thine face IN that bible , I AM TELLING you
that in TIME you gonna see this .
And?
Where is your Evidence Dolly Rejected belief in the Lord God?
 

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Where is your Evidence Dolly Rejected belief in the Lord God?
see you think just cause one says THEY BELIEVE means they do .
The fruit , the evidence , Watch her , her own lips give away she does not
follow the one true Christ at all .
Do your own homework . every time i brought you v ideos showing the lie
in ecumeincalism intefaith you either never answered or etc .
You make excuses . BUT ONLY for those that seem to believe quite similar to even you .
But men like me that warn . OH no , you and the church throw us out as being judgmental and haters .
OPEN BIBLE taken . I AM NOT GOD . i cannot wave my hands and make YOU or anyone else
believe . YOU GONNA have to get a facefull of some bible FOR YOU . I cant make you read it
and i cannot give you the love of reading it . YOU GONNA have to Go to GOD
And pray to him . and OPEN bible for YOU .
DO Notice something . and I DONT POINT TO ME , I TRY AND GET EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU BACK INTO THE BIBLE .
SO , there it is . I dont point to me , I AM begging all of you TO GET IN THE BIBLE for your own selves .
SURE I WARN A LOT . But i dont want folks to be decieved . AND always when i warn
or at least often when i do , I SAY GET IN THE BIBLE . FOR YOU . YOU SEE .
YOU SEE whether or not i am a liar or whether or not my warnings WERE VERY V ERY VALID and needful .
cause i am telling you that christendom has been BIG TIME inflitrated and that most within
it have no idea what they have lost , OR THAT THEY ARE LOST . OPEN bible taken . OPEN that bible
and YOU read for yourself . DO IT .
 

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sorry friend but i aint buying this .
I notice what christains YOU support and OH YEAH which ones you THROW out , namely ME as the thrown out
OH BUT DOLLY SHE IS A CHRISTAIN , but me a hater .
NO i aint buying this speech of yours .
I ALSO notice how ya run to the ecuemincal int efaith .
W HICH I KNOW WITHOUT A DOUBT ONE is c oming from anti christs .
NOW why would GOD lead you into that
AND YET have me warn so hard against it .
WE CANT BOTH be hearing from GOD . either you or me BUT NOT BOTH .
You gonna have to dig in some bible for a while my friend .
IF YOU DID , you might just be so shocked , LIKE I WAS , when you in time realize
OH MY GOODNESS christendom is being fleeced by all sides and by ther leaders too .
Oh dear am i a hater and judgemental monster .
OR am i speaking the truth .
NOW when you GO to truly seek out that answer . DO NOT run to men of any realm
RUN TO GOD and OPEN BIBLE . I AM SURE HE WILL REVEAL THE TRUTH TO YOU .
but DO NOT run to men on any side . OPEN AND READ and keep reading . YOU SEE . YOU SEE for your own self .
DO i speak the truth or am i confused and a hater . HURRY NOW . OPEN BIBLE now . Go on
get busy reading it .
Good grief, stop playing your gaslighter card with me…

I’ll speak for myself.

There Are things I like and do not like about most people… including you.

Your constant preaching on inter-faith ( that you can not define ), bores me to
Ad nauseam.

Your constant Pretending YOU have been everyone’s Solicited Appointed Teacher of people who read and Study the Scriptures Daily….
Should be Told repeatedly BY YOU TO DO what they already Do!

And when ASKED, then TOLD to Stop … you do not.
 
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Dolly Parton Believed in God, but Was It the God of the Bible?​


Wow… :-(
IT was a question taken . look at you .
SO now tell me something
IF i were to ask you Oprah whimphrey believed in GOD but was it the GOD of the bible
are you gonna accuse me too . actually the god oprah believed n was the god dolly did .
OH yes .
NOtice i said god and NOT GOD .
OH dear guess you gonna accuse me now of accusing oprha too .
Okay What about all them popes who claimed to beleive in GOD in ChRIST
or every leader in the prostsetant realm .
DO YOU REALLY believe just cause calivin , luther , OR NEW AGE MYSTICIS , OH YES EVEN NEW AGE MYSTIciS
claim to beleive in GOD and in Christ . EVEN muslims cliam to bleieve in GOD and in A jesus anyway
WHERE DOES IT END taken . WHERE DOES IT END .
DO you really beleive that every single man or woman from the days of paul even to now
JUST beause they said OH I BLEIEVE IN GOD and IN JESUS really meant THEY DID and were follwoing him .
PUAL warned against false teachers WHO USED JESUS NAME TO DECIEVE .
YOU and this generation would have thrown PAUL , peter , james , jude
and yes even john and yes even THE JESUS outta yalls fellowship under the cliam
YOU GUYS ARE TOO JUDGMENTAL and even have told JESUS , HEY DUDE you need jesus cause god is love .
YOU all got no idea what spell you are now under . THAT IS WHY I AM BEGGING and YES warning you all
TO OPEN THAT BIBLE FOR YOU and you read IT FOR YOU and NEVER STOP READING IT .
 

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see you think just cause one says THEY BELIEVE means they do .
The fruit , the evidence , Watch her , her own lips give away she does not
follow the one true Christ at all .
Do your own homework . every time i brought you v ideos showing the lie
in ecumeincalism intefaith you either never answered or etc .
You make excuses . BUT ONLY for those that seem to believe quite similar to even you .
But men like me that warn . OH no , you and the church throw us out as being judgmental and haters .
OPEN BIBLE taken . I AM NOT GOD . i cannot wave my hands and make YOU or anyone else
believe . YOU GONNA have to get a facefull of some bible FOR YOU . I cant make you read it
and i cannot give you the love of reading it . YOU GONNA have to Go to GOD
And pray to him . and OPEN bible for YOU .
DO Notice something . and I DONT POINT TO ME , I TRY AND GET EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU BACK INTO THE BIBLE .
SO , there it is . I dont point to me , I AM begging all of you TO GET IN THE BIBLE for your own selves .
SURE I WARN A LOT . But i dont want folks to be decieved . AND always when i warn
or at least often when i do , I SAY GET IN THE BIBLE . FOR YOU . YOU SEE .
YOU SEE whether or not i am a liar or whether or not my warnings WERE VERY V ERY VALID and needful .
cause i am telling you that christendom has been BIG TIME inflitrated and that most within
it have no idea what they have lost , OR THAT THEY ARE LOST . OPEN bible taken . OPEN that bible
and YOU read for yourself . DO IT .
Stop…
You want to Bash Dolly, that’s on you. I liked her, and that’s on me.

You want to pretend you are privy to her Hearts thoughts and her relationship with God, that’s on you.

I don’t agree with probably Every other person, on one topic or another… so what?

I do not agree with queers, support / stand with their cause, make a defense to or for their choices, play their pronouns game…
So what?

Does that mean I am privy to their Relationship or lack thereof… with The Lord God? No.
 
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IT was a question taken . look at you .
SO now tell me something
IF i were to ask you Oprah whimphrey believed in GOD but was it the GOD of the bible…
I don’t hear, listen to, know her upbringing, what or who influences her, what Oprah believes, does, likes … so her standing is of no interest to me to have any opinion about her.
are you gonna accuse me too .
Accuse you of what?
Having an Opinion about this person or that person?
So what?
Disagree with your opinion, you state as FACTS?
Most Likely.

actually the god oprah believed n was the god dolly did .
Here is your Opinion, stated as a Fact.
Yawn.
DO YOU REALLY believe just cause calivin , luther ,

My journey on Reading and Studying Scripture Had nothing to do with… Calvin or Luther or the whole host of “men” like to quote and uplift. I had never heard of them…

OR NEW AGE MYSTICIS , OH YES EVEN NEW AGE MYSTIciS
claim to beleive in GOD and in Christ . EVEN muslims cliam to bleieve in GOD and in A jesus anyway
Don’t care… I have a teacher, who is the source of God Word…and the Source of Gods Understanding.

WHERE DOES IT END taken . WHERE DOES IT END .
DO you really beleive that every single man or woman from the days of paul even to now
JUST beause they said OH I BLEIEVE IN GOD and IN JESUS really meant THEY DID and were follwoing him .

I UNDERSTAND the meaning of the Difference between a man claiming with his MIND to believe and a man claiming with his Heart to believe… yet NOT MY JOB to render the Distinction For Him.


PUAL warned against false teachers WHO USED JESUS NAME TO DECIEVE .
YOU
So? What is your point? A deception occurs when a man “Adopts” an others deceiving Beliefs…

Did you hear me claim to have “Adopted” Dollys Beliefs ?


YOU all got no idea what spell you are now under .

You are pitiful.

THAT IS WHY I AM BEGGING and YES warning you all
TO OPEN THAT BIBLE FOR YOU and you read IT FOR YOU and NEVER STOP READING IT .
Yawn.
 

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Stop…
You want to Bash Dolly, that’s on you. I liked her, and that’s on me.

You want to pretend you are privy to her Hearts thoughts and her relationship with God, that’s on you.

I don’t agree with probably Every other person, on one topic or another… so what?

I do not agree with queers, support / stand with their cause, make a defense to or for their choices, play their pronouns game…
So what?

Does that mean I am privy to their Relationship or lack thereof… with The Lord God? No.
again and as usual its always the accusation card .
This generation has fallen in love with a harlots love and her judge not correct not nonsense .
THEN you still have the ability to see who evil has taken over society and some churches
AND YET WONDER how this can be . HELLO the evil came in and was allowed
to remain DUE TO THE VICTIM card and the judge not card .
YOU people ran off the only men who even tried to stop the leaven from taking over .
GUESS you all are waiting on TRUMP to save the day . Just like the left waits on the next big election .
YET neither sides realizes THEY are of the same spirit and lead you all to the same solution .
Cursed is the man , OR in your case woman , who trusts and hopes in men .
Just remember I DID try and get you to get back into JUST the bible . I sure seem to notice
YOU AINT responding TO THAT AT ALL .
 

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again and as usual its always the accusation card .
You bore me.
This generation has fallen in love with a harlots love and her judge not correct not nonsense .

I’m not blind or deaf to the decades long acceptance and promotion of anti Biblical ways.

THEN you still have the ability to see who evil has taken over society and some churches

I am not on a campaign to spend my time visiting every church and stand on a soapbox 24-7 tongue wagging and pointing out what I think their faults are.

AND YET WONDER how this can be . HELLO the evil came in and was allowed
to remain DUE TO THE VICTIM card and the judge not card .

You seems to enjoy 24-7 pointing out what you think everyone is doing wrong.
YOU people ran off the only men who even tried to stop the leaven from taking over .
LOL … who exactly are you accusing me of running off?
GUESS you all are waiting on TRUMP to save the day .

Waiting on Trump…?
LOL. Trump has a wait staff.
I am impressed with Trumps efforts in addressing the Ridiculous number of overwhelming mess-ES, the Fed Government has been peddling for decades.
Just like the left waits on the next big election

LOL, everyone waits to learn election results.!
.
YET neither sides realizes THEY are of the same spirit and lead you all to the same solution .

LOL… convenient how YOU finger point everyone “but you” … is “Following a political person and adopting their stance on every topic.
I DID try and get you to get back into JUST the bible . I sure seem to notice
YOU AINT responding TO THAT AT ALL .
LOL Get me back to the Bible…
From WHAT… the Bible I use daily?

I responded with dis-like of you pretending your service is requested or required a dozen times a day to Tell people to What they Already Do.

So be a delight and answer the question…
who exactly are you accusing me of running off?
 

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bdavidc, you want proof but proof is only of use when ears and eyes are open.
Try and prove the existence of God to an atheist.....good luck!

The story of Jesus is evidence of what you are asking. Is it you don't see Jesus? is it you don't take him and his words seriously? Is it that Jesus is a convenient rubber stamp to validate blindness?
One thing I do know, ie the Pharisee's had an unending list of things and methods to be remembered and observed before forgiveness by God could come about......non of which looked the least bit interesting to me but it obviously did to the 'religious'
What exactly do you mean by having “ears and eyes open”? Open to what Scripture says, or open to adding something Scripture does not say because you have decided it must be true?

Calling me blind does not answer the question. You claimed that unbelieving, unrepentant sinners are already forgiven. I gave you Scripture showing that they are “condemned already,” that God’s wrath remains upon them, and that those who believe receive forgiveness. Now show me from Scripture where they possess forgiveness before they repent and believe.

“The story of Jesus” does not give anyone permission to rewrite the words of Jesus. Christ preached, “Repent ye, and believe the gospel” (Mark 1:15). He also said, “Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish” (Luke 13:3).

Repentance and faith are not a Pharisaical list of religious works. They are God’s own command. “God...commandeth all men every where to repent” (Acts 17:30), and “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved” (Acts 16:31).

Having open eyes does not mean seeing beyond Scripture. It means submitting to what God has actually said. If your belief cannot be established from Scripture, accusing those who ask for Scripture of blindness proves nothing.
 

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Yes my friend . You see their strategy . they cannot bring doctrine so bring the emotional judge not card
or in other terms the vicitim card .
Make the one bringing truth seem as if they are an oppressor and an accuser and that the ones they are correcting
seem as the oppressed and as the victim .
THIS IS NOT an accident . our churches were groomed years and years ago by these methods .
As was society . And when TRUTH was silenced by such methods
ANY guesses on what took over . WHY just look at the churches and society for that answer , EVIL DID .
Exactly right, my friend. When they cannot answer the Scripture, they change the subject and accuse the person exposing the error of being unloving or judgmental. But refusing to confront falsehood is not love.

Paul said, “Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them” (Ephesians 5:11). Truth must not be silenced just because it makes someone uncomfortable. Once truth is pushed aside, error and evil rush in to fill the emptiness.
 
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Exactly right, my friend. When they cannot answer the Scripture, they change the subject and accuse the person exposing the error of being unloving or judgmental. But refusing to confront falsehood is not love.

Paul said, “Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them” (Ephesians 5:11). Truth must not be silenced just because it makes someone uncomfortable. Once truth is pushed aside, error and evil rush in to fill the emptiness.
Good to see you emphasizing the teachings of todays Christ Acts 9:15 selected Rom 11:13 Apostle & Rom 15:16 Minister