Jesus Kingdom a thousand years, then comes the Father Kingdom

[bro.tan]

2 Peter 3:10,13 KJV
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
[13] Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.



Revelation 21:1 KJV
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.


Jesus and His disciples never spoke of a temporary Kingdom before the new heavens and the new Earth. You might think that would be pretty important, especially if it has to do with Jews, right?

I agree with you, but that's the Father Kingdom. Let's go back to Revelation 20: 20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

So this time is before, Rev. 21: 1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. After a thousands years then comes the new heaven and earth.

 

[Luther7]

I agree with you, but that's the Father Kingdom. Let's go back to Revelation 20: 20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

So this time is before, Rev. 21: 1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. After a thousands years then comes the new heaven and earth.

John 14:2-3 KJV
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. [3] And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

God the Father and God the Son are One. The Kingdom that awaits His children is made available through the sacrifice of His Only begotten Son. They will appoint the perfect time when all of this unfolds, and perhaps soon.

 

[bro.tan]

John 14:2-3 KJV
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. [3] And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

God the Father and God the Son are One. The Kingdom that awaits His children is made available through the sacrifice of His Only begotten Son. They will appoint the perfect time when all of this unfolds, and perhaps soon.

So you believe quoting John 14:2-3, over the verses I showed you makes the difference. I showed you Jesus kingdom for a thousand yrs, then a new heaven and new earth after. The Father is not coming down from heaven until the 8th day. Jesus says in Matthew 26: 29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.

Pay attention to the prayer and what Jesus says in Matthew 6: 9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Jesus been on earth for a thousand years preparing the earth for the Father. Let's go into Revelation 21: 1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Jesus prepare all this for thousands years with his saints. Notice God (Father) is coming down, to dwell with them.

 

[Luther7]

So you believe quoting John 14:2-3, over the verses I showed you makes the difference. I showed you Jesus kingdom for a thousand yrs, then a new heaven and new earth after. The Father is not coming down from heaven until the 8th day. Jesus says in Matthew 26: 29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.

Pay attention to the prayer and what Jesus says in Matthew 6: 9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Jesus been on earth for a thousand years preparing the earth for the Father. Let's go into Revelation 21: 1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Jesus prepare all this for thousands years with his saints. Notice God (Father) is coming down, to dwell with them.

The Bible does not teach two separate comings of God the Father and God the Son. There is only one time of judgment for all of humanity which is at the last day of this world. What you hear today from pastors and teachers is a false doctrine that crept into the churches designed to support the talmudic agenda of preparing the world for their "messiah" who will rule over the non-jews in an earthly kingdom.
That's what their religion teaches. The Christian church has never interpreted Revelation 20 to be literal. That only started to happen in the last 100 years or so.

So let's go back to the Bible and compare what the Old testament has to say with the New testament. You will see the language is similar, as the Old testament is speaking of Jesus Christ who is coming.

( Old testament):

Esaias 13:6-9:
Howl ye, for the day of the Lord is near, and destruction from God shall arrive.
7 Therefore every hand shall become powerless, and every soul of man shall be dismayed.
8 The elders shall be troubled, and pangs shall seize them, as of a woman in travail: and they shall mourn one to another, and shall be amazed, and shall change their countenance as a flame.
9 For behold! the day of the Lord is coming which cannot be †escaped, a day of wrath and anger, to make the world desolate, and to destroy sinners out of it.
10 For the stars of heaven, and Orion, and all the host of heaven, shall not give their light; and it shall be dark at sunrise, and the moon shall not give her light.
11 And I will command evils for the whole world, and will visit their sins on the ungodly:

( Compare with):

Matthew 24:29-31 KJV:

(29) Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
(30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
[31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 KJV
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
[8] In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[9] Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Please notice the similarities between the old and New testament. There is only one judgment Day, One coming of God, the Lord Jesus Christ (who is one with the Father), who sets up a new heaven and a new earth at that time.

2 Peter 3:12-13 KJV
Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
[13] Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

[bro.tan]

The Bible does not teach two separate comings of God the Father and God the Son. There is only one time of judgment for all of humanity which is at the last day of this world. What you hear today from pastors and teachers is a false doctrine that crept into the churches designed to support the talmudic agenda of preparing the world for their "messiah" who will rule over the non-jews in an earthly kingdom.
That's what their religion teaches. The Christian church has never interpreted Revelation 20 to be literal. That only started to happen in the last 100 years or so.

So let's go back to the Bible and compare what the Old testament has to say with the New testament. You will see the language is similar, as the Old testament is speaking of Jesus Christ who is coming.

( Old testament):

Esaias 13:6-9:
Howl ye, for the day of the Lord is near, and destruction from God shall arrive.
7 Therefore every hand shall become powerless, and every soul of man shall be dismayed.
8 The elders shall be troubled, and pangs shall seize them, as of a woman in travail: and they shall mourn one to another, and shall be amazed, and shall change their countenance as a flame.
9 For behold! the day of the Lord is coming which cannot be †escaped, a day of wrath and anger, to make the world desolate, and to destroy sinners out of it.
10 For the stars of heaven, and Orion, and all the host of heaven, shall not give their light; and it shall be dark at sunrise, and the moon shall not give her light.
11 And I will command evils for the whole world, and will visit their sins on the ungodly:

( Compare with):

Matthew 24:29-31 KJV:

(29) Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
(30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
[31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 KJV
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
[8] In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[9] Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Please notice the similarities between the old and New testament. There is only one judgment Day, One coming of God, the Lord Jesus Christ (who is one with the Father), who sets up a new heaven and a new earth at that time.

2 Peter 3:12-13 KJV
Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
[13] Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

The question would be for you...who is the church. According to Romans 9: I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, 2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.

3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

So who are you being taught by, when you say the church? I showed a difference between the two. According to the Bible in Romans 3: What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? 2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. 3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

 

[Jay Ross]

Have people forgotten the little while period that separates God's everlasting kingdom and God's descent down to the face of the earth?

 

[Luther7]

Have people forgotten the little while period that separates God's everlasting kingdom and God's descent down to the face of the earth?

Matthew 24:29-31 KJV:

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
[30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
[31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

1) Great Tribulation
2) Christ's second coming after the Great Tribulation
3) All in Jesus Christ are gathered to be with Him in HIs everlasting Kingdom.

This is how the church understood it since it's beginning. It's only in the last hundred years or so that most Christians have followed after a false teaching.

 

[Luther7]

The question would be for you...who is the church. According to Romans 9: I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, 2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.

3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

So who are you being taught by, when you say the church? I showed a difference between the two. According to the Bible in Romans 3: What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? 2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. 3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

Romans 9:6-8 KJV
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
[7] Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
[8] That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Who are the children of the promise? What is the promise? Do you think it just might have something to do with the Lord Jesus Christ?

1 John 2:25 KJV
And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

Hebrews 9:15 KJV
And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Titus 1:1-2 KJV
Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness; [2] In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

James 1:12 KJV
Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

" Them that love Him". So we must have a relationship with Jesus Christ before He comes to enter into the kingdom of heaven.