Jesus Kingdom a thousand years, then comes the Father Kingdom

[bro.tan]

2 Peter 3:10,13 KJV
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
[13] Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.



Revelation 21:1 KJV
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.


Jesus and His disciples never spoke of a temporary Kingdom before the new heavens and the new Earth. You might think that would be pretty important, especially if it has to do with Jews, right?

I agree with you, but that's the Father Kingdom. Let's go back to Revelation 20: 20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

So this time is before, Rev. 21: 1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. After a thousands years then comes the new heaven and earth.

 

[Luther7]

I agree with you, but that's the Father Kingdom. Let's go back to Revelation 20: 20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

So this time is before, Rev. 21: 1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. After a thousands years then comes the new heaven and earth.

John 14:2-3 KJV
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. [3] And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

God the Father and God the Son are One. The Kingdom that awaits His children is made available through the sacrifice of His Only begotten Son. They will appoint the perfect time when all of this unfolds, and perhaps soon.

 

[bro.tan]

John 14:2-3 KJV
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. [3] And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

God the Father and God the Son are One. The Kingdom that awaits His children is made available through the sacrifice of His Only begotten Son. They will appoint the perfect time when all of this unfolds, and perhaps soon.

So you believe quoting John 14:2-3, over the verses I showed you makes the difference. I showed you Jesus kingdom for a thousand yrs, then a new heaven and new earth after. The Father is not coming down from heaven until the 8th day. Jesus says in Matthew 26: 29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.

Pay attention to the prayer and what Jesus says in Matthew 6: 9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Jesus been on earth for a thousand years preparing the earth for the Father. Let's go into Revelation 21: 1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Jesus prepare all this for thousands years with his saints. Notice God (Father) is coming down, to dwell with them.

 

[Luther7]

So you believe quoting John 14:2-3, over the verses I showed you makes the difference. I showed you Jesus kingdom for a thousand yrs, then a new heaven and new earth after. The Father is not coming down from heaven until the 8th day. Jesus says in Matthew 26: 29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.

Pay attention to the prayer and what Jesus says in Matthew 6: 9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Jesus been on earth for a thousand years preparing the earth for the Father. Let's go into Revelation 21: 1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Jesus prepare all this for thousands years with his saints. Notice God (Father) is coming down, to dwell with them.

The Bible does not teach two separate comings of God the Father and God the Son. There is only one time of judgment for all of humanity which is at the last day of this world. What you hear today from pastors and teachers is a false doctrine that crept into the churches designed to support the talmudic agenda of preparing the world for their "messiah" who will rule over the non-jews in an earthly kingdom.
That's what their religion teaches. The Christian church has never interpreted Revelation 20 to be literal. That only started to happen in the last 100 years or so.

So let's go back to the Bible and compare what the Old testament has to say with the New testament. You will see the language is similar, as the Old testament is speaking of Jesus Christ who is coming.

( Old testament):

Esaias 13:6-9:
Howl ye, for the day of the Lord is near, and destruction from God shall arrive.
7 Therefore every hand shall become powerless, and every soul of man shall be dismayed.
8 The elders shall be troubled, and pangs shall seize them, as of a woman in travail: and they shall mourn one to another, and shall be amazed, and shall change their countenance as a flame.
9 For behold! the day of the Lord is coming which cannot be †escaped, a day of wrath and anger, to make the world desolate, and to destroy sinners out of it.
10 For the stars of heaven, and Orion, and all the host of heaven, shall not give their light; and it shall be dark at sunrise, and the moon shall not give her light.
11 And I will command evils for the whole world, and will visit their sins on the ungodly:

( Compare with):

Matthew 24:29-31 KJV:

(29) Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
(30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
[31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 KJV
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
[8] In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[9] Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Please notice the similarities between the old and New testament. There is only one judgment Day, One coming of God, the Lord Jesus Christ (who is one with the Father), who sets up a new heaven and a new earth at that time.

2 Peter 3:12-13 KJV
Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
[13] Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

[bro.tan]

The Bible does not teach two separate comings of God the Father and God the Son. There is only one time of judgment for all of humanity which is at the last day of this world. What you hear today from pastors and teachers is a false doctrine that crept into the churches designed to support the talmudic agenda of preparing the world for their "messiah" who will rule over the non-jews in an earthly kingdom.
That's what their religion teaches. The Christian church has never interpreted Revelation 20 to be literal. That only started to happen in the last 100 years or so.

So let's go back to the Bible and compare what the Old testament has to say with the New testament. You will see the language is similar, as the Old testament is speaking of Jesus Christ who is coming.

( Old testament):

Esaias 13:6-9:
Howl ye, for the day of the Lord is near, and destruction from God shall arrive.
7 Therefore every hand shall become powerless, and every soul of man shall be dismayed.
8 The elders shall be troubled, and pangs shall seize them, as of a woman in travail: and they shall mourn one to another, and shall be amazed, and shall change their countenance as a flame.
9 For behold! the day of the Lord is coming which cannot be †escaped, a day of wrath and anger, to make the world desolate, and to destroy sinners out of it.
10 For the stars of heaven, and Orion, and all the host of heaven, shall not give their light; and it shall be dark at sunrise, and the moon shall not give her light.
11 And I will command evils for the whole world, and will visit their sins on the ungodly:

( Compare with):

Matthew 24:29-31 KJV:

(29) Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
(30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
[31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 KJV
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
[8] In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[9] Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Please notice the similarities between the old and New testament. There is only one judgment Day, One coming of God, the Lord Jesus Christ (who is one with the Father), who sets up a new heaven and a new earth at that time.

2 Peter 3:12-13 KJV
Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
[13] Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

The question would be for you...who is the church. According to Romans 9: I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, 2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.

3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

So who are you being taught by, when you say the church? I showed a difference between the two. According to the Bible in Romans 3: What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? 2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. 3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

 

[Jay Ross]

Have people forgotten the little while period that separates God's everlasting kingdom and God's descent down to the face of the earth?

 

[Luther7]

Have people forgotten the little while period that separates God's everlasting kingdom and God's descent down to the face of the earth?

Matthew 24:29-31 KJV:

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
[30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
[31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

1) Great Tribulation
2) Christ's second coming after the Great Tribulation
3) All in Jesus Christ are gathered to be with Him in HIs everlasting Kingdom.

This is how the church understood it since it's beginning. It's only in the last hundred years or so that most Christians have followed after a false teaching.

 

[Luther7]

The question would be for you...who is the church. According to Romans 9: I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, 2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.

3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

So who are you being taught by, when you say the church? I showed a difference between the two. According to the Bible in Romans 3: What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? 2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. 3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

Romans 9:6-8 KJV
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
[7] Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
[8] That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Who are the children of the promise? What is the promise? Do you think it just might have something to do with the Lord Jesus Christ?

1 John 2:25 KJV
And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

Hebrews 9:15 KJV
And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Titus 1:1-2 KJV
Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness; [2] In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

James 1:12 KJV
Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

" Them that love Him". So we must have a relationship with Jesus Christ before He comes to enter into the kingdom of heaven.

 

[bro.tan]

Romans 9:6-8 KJV
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
[7] Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
[8] That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Who are the children of the promise? What is the promise? Do you think it just might have something to do with the Lord Jesus Christ?

1 John 2:25 KJV
And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

Hebrews 9:15 KJV
And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Titus 1:1-2 KJV
Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness; [2] In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

James 1:12 KJV
Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

" Them that love Him". So we must have a relationship with Jesus Christ before He comes to enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Very true, but the point is missing. Let's take a look at the point of this and get some understanding. "Hear this word that the Lord hath spoken against you, O children of Israel, against the whole family which I brought up from the land of Egypt, saying, you only have I known of all the families of the earth: Therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities." (Amos 3:1-2)

For what purpose did the Lord choose the children of Israel? (Exodus 19: 1-6) Let's look at the 5th & 6th vs.; "Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: (6th vs.) and ye shall be unto me a Kingdom of Priest, and a holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel." Take a look at what Peter was telling the Jews, quoting Moses in 1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:


Is this law for the children of Israel only? No. (Leviticus 24: 22) "Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: For I am the Lord your God."


How can one who is not of the lineage of Israel, become partakers of the covenant of God? (Ephesians 2:11-22) Let's look at the 11th through 13th verses. "Wherefore remember, that ye being in the time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called uncircumcision by that which is called the circumcision in the flesh made by hands; (12th vs.) That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenant of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: (13th vs.) But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ."

Paul says in Romans 3: 1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? 2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. 3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written,

I don’t wanna go too deep, but the Lord, the God of Israel is not going to give his word to another nation of people to distribute his to the world. So people will read the Bible or be taught by Roman Christianity, but they will learn in part, and understand in part, but would never understand the whole truth, because God is the same today yesterday and forever. All of Israel is not Israel, that's true, but keep in mind that the ones who are Israel are not blind, and still teaching the word of God, even until this day.

 

[Luther7]

Very true, but the point is missing. Let's take a look at the point of this and get some understanding. "Hear this word that the Lord hath spoken against you, O children of Israel, against the whole family which I brought up from the land of Egypt, saying, you only have I known of all the families of the earth: Therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities." (Amos 3:1-2)

For what purpose did the Lord choose the children of Israel? (Exodus 19: 1-6) Let's look at the 5th & 6th vs.; "Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: (6th vs.) and ye shall be unto me a Kingdom of Priest, and a holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel." Take a look at what Peter was telling the Jews, quoting Moses in 1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:


Is this law for the children of Israel only? No. (Leviticus 24: 22) "Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: For I am the Lord your God."


How can one who is not of the lineage of Israel, become partakers of the covenant of God? (Ephesians 2:11-22) Let's look at the 11th through 13th verses. "Wherefore remember, that ye being in the time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called uncircumcision by that which is called the circumcision in the flesh made by hands; (12th vs.) That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenant of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: (13th vs.) But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ."

Paul says in Romans 3: 1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? 2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. 3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written,

I don’t wanna go too deep, but the Lord, the God of Israel is not going to give his word to another nation of people to distribute his to the world. So people will read the Bible or be taught by Roman Christianity, but they will learn in part, and understand in part, but would never understand the whole truth, because God is the same today yesterday and forever. All of Israel is not Israel, that's true, but keep in mind that the ones who are Israel are not blind, and still teaching the word of God, even until this day.

You will never go too deep with me. We were supposed to search out the deep things of God. Everything about Old testament Israel was a shadow of things to come. In other words, the old covenant was made new by the New covenant. It's that simple. That means that traditions and ordinances and sacrifices that were performed are no longer necessary Because of Jesus Christ.

When you said:
"Take a look at what Peter was telling the Jews, quoting Moses in 1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:"

You completely took this verse out of context. The Royal priesthood belongs to those in Jesus Christ, otherwise why would Christ have suffered? For unrepentant jews or for those he came to save? Please, you have to understand everything points to Christ. Not a bunch of jews waiting for a kingdom on this earth that neither they or anyone else deserves. That's why this talk about the millennial reign makes me so sick.

IT'S TOTAL IGNORANCE OF WHAT CHRIST HAS DONE.

 

[bro.tan]

You will never go too deep with me. We were supposed to search out the deep things of God. Everything about Old testament Israel was a shadow of things to come. In other words, the old covenant was made new by the New covenant. It's that simple. That means that traditions and ordinances and sacrifices that were performed are no longer necessary Because of Jesus Christ.

When you said:
"Take a look at what Peter was telling the Jews, quoting Moses in 1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:"

You completely took this verse out of context. The Royal priesthood belongs to those in Jesus Christ, otherwise why would Christ have suffered? For unrepentant jews or for those he came to save? Please, you have to understand everything points to Christ. Not a bunch of jews waiting for a kingdom on this earth that neither they or anyone else deserves. That's why this talk about the millennial reign makes me so sick.

IT'S TOTAL IGNORANCE OF WHAT CHRIST HAS DONE.

So you don't believe when Jesus makes his second coming he will gather his people Israel, again?

 

[Luther7]

So you don't believe when Jesus makes his second coming he will gather his people Israel, again?

Bro, His people are Christians. If you are Jewish (Even though there are no actual descendants of Israelites today) you must be born again. That's the only way to heaven.

 

[bro.tan]

Bro, His people are Christians. If you are Jewish (Even though there are no actual descendants of Israelites today) you must be born again. That's the only way to heaven.

Oh ok I see, you believe more in Roman Christianity teaching, then what the Bible says. Now the book says Israel and the stranger, although they both can be Christian, which means Christ like.

Let's into the future in Deuteronomy 30: And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath driven thee,

2 And shalt return unto the Lord thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;

3 That then the Lord thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath scattered thee.

4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the Lord thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:

5 And the Lord thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.

Again the future, let's go into Isaiah 14: For the Lord will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.

2 And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the Lord for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.

3 And it shall come to pass in the day that the Lord shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,

4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased. That golden city you can read in Revelation 17ch

Paul said in 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

 

[Luther7]

Oh ok I see, you believe more in Roman Christianity teaching, then what the Bible says. Now the book says Israel and the stranger, although they both can be Christian, which means Christ like.

Let's into the future in Deuteronomy 30: And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath driven thee,

2 And shalt return unto the Lord thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;

3 That then the Lord thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath scattered thee.

4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the Lord thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:

5 And the Lord thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.

Again the future, let's go into Isaiah 14: For the Lord will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.

2 And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the Lord for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.

3 And it shall come to pass in the day that the Lord shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,

4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased. That golden city you can read in Revelation 17ch

Paul said in 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Unfortunately what you and the "Walter and DebbieItes" Believe it's not biblical simply because anything that was promised in the Old testament belongs to those in Christ and the language that is used is spiritual. Israel IS Jesus Christ and His people and we have a New covenant and you're not realizing that and it's going to be to your shame one day. YOU ARE LITERALLY PUTTING THESE PEOPLE BEFORE JESUS CHRIST AND HIS PEOPLE.

You are also making the New covenant of no effect by insisting that there is some sort of old covenant promise left to be fulfilled. God fulfilled everything with the nation of Israel way back in Joshua 21. What you perceive today from the pulpit is talmudic manipulation, along with the help of the Scofield Bible. I hope and pray that God will open your eyes to the truth and put Jesus Christ first again, not the ones who greatly despise Him and are USING YOU to carry out their own agenda.

 

[bro.tan]

Unfortunately what you and the "Walter and DebbieItes" Believe it's not biblical simply because anything that was promised in the Old testament belongs to those in Christ and the language that is used is spiritual. Israel IS Jesus Christ and His people and we have a New covenant and you're not realizing that and it's going to be to your shame one day. YOU ARE LITERALLY PUTTING THESE PEOPLE BEFORE JESUS CHRIST AND HIS PEOPLE.

You are also making the New covenant of no effect by insisting that there is some sort of old covenant promise left to be fulfilled. God fulfilled everything with the nation of Israel way back in Joshua 21. What you perceive today from the pulpit is talmudic manipulation, along with the help of the Scofield Bible. I hope and pray that God will open your eyes to the truth and put Jesus Christ first again, not the ones who greatly despise Him and are USING YOU to carry out their own agenda.

Man! You response is as if you didn't even read what I wrote. I quoted from the word of God and you did most your talking from your head. I'm not sure how you can shut yourself out from part of the Bible that's written. Paul said in 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

You can't go around picking verses out the Bible that lines up with your doctrine. Rightly dividing the word of truth, which starts from Genesis to Revelation.

The question is How can one who is not of the lineage of Israel, become partakers of the covenant of God? Lets take a look into (Ephesians 2:11-22) let’s look at the 11th through 13th verses. "Wherefore remember, that ye being in the time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called uncircumcision by that which is called the circumcision in the flesh made by hands; (12th vs.) That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenant of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: (13th vs.) But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ."

Is this law for the children of Israel only? No. (Leviticus 24: 22) "Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: For I am the Lord your God."

Paul says in Romans 3: 1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? 2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. 3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written,

 

[Luther7]

Man! You response is as if you didn't even read what I wrote. I quoted from the word of God and you did most your talking from your head. I'm not sure how you can shut yourself out from part of the Bible that's written. Paul said in 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

You can't go around picking verses out the Bible that lines up with your doctrine. Rightly dividing the word of truth, which starts from Genesis to Revelation.

The question is How can one who is not of the lineage of Israel, become partakers of the covenant of God? Lets take a look into (Ephesians 2:11-22) let’s look at the 11th through 13th verses. "Wherefore remember, that ye being in the time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called uncircumcision by that which is called the circumcision in the flesh made by hands; (12th vs.) That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenant of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: (13th vs.) But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ."

Is this law for the children of Israel only? No. (Leviticus 24: 22) "Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: For I am the Lord your God."

Paul says in Romans 3: 1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? 2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. 3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written,

You said: " The question is How can one who is not of the lineage of Israel, become partakers of the covenant of God?"

No you got the question in reverse. The question is how can one who is from a particular bloodline or from a particular nation be partakers in the New covenant of God.
This was the whole purpose of the apostles to the jews!
In other words, they need to get into OUR covenant, THE ONE IN WHICH CHRIST SHED HIS PRECIOUS BLOOD FOR OUR SINS.
The Old covenant is nothing. It's faded away. It's gone. There is nothing coming that's going to take precedence over the New covenant.

Galatians 3:28-29 KJV
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
[29] And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

These two verses are perhaps the most devastating verses to totally dismantle Christian Zionism, dispensationalism schofieldism and Israel first ism.

 

[bro.tan]

You said: " The question is How can one who is not of the lineage of Israel, become partakers of the covenant of God?"

No you got the question in reverse. The question is how can one who is from a particular bloodline or from a particular nation be partakers in the New covenant of God.
This was the whole purpose of the apostles to the jews!
In other words, they need to get into OUR covenant, THE ONE IN WHICH CHRIST SHED HIS PRECIOUS BLOOD FOR OUR SINS.
The Old covenant is nothing. It's faded away. It's gone. There is nothing coming that's going to take precedence over the New covenant.

Galatians 3:28-29 KJV
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
[29] And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

These two verses are perhaps the most devastating verses to totally dismantle Christian Zionism, dispensationalism schofieldism and Israel first ism.

I see you don't really read the book and understand, from Genesis to Revelation, because Paul says in Romans 9: I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost, 2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.
3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

For what purpose did the Lord choose the children of Israel? (Exodus 19: 1-6) Let's look at the 5th & 6th vs.; "Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: (6th vs.) and ye shall be unto me a Kingdom of Priest, and a holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel." Take a look at what Peter was telling the Jews, quoting Moses in 1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Is this law for the children of Israel only? No. (Leviticus 24: 22) "Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: For I am the Lord your God."

How can one who is not of the lineage of Israel, become partakers of the covenant of God? (Ephesians 2:11-22) Let's look at the 11th through 13th verses. "Wherefore remember, that ye being in the time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called uncircumcision by that which is called the circumcision in the flesh made by hands; (12th vs.) That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenant of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: (13th vs.) But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ."

Paul says in Romans 3: 1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? 2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. 3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written,

 

[rwb]

Have people forgotten the little while period that separates God's everlasting kingdom and God's descent down to the face of the earth?

Are you talking about the little season after Satan is loosed when the seventh angel begins to sound that time given this earth whereby man might be saved shall be no longer?

Re 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Re 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Revelation 20:7 (KJV) And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Re 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Re 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Re 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Re 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
Re 10:5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
Re 10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
Re 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

If the little while period you're referring to is Satan's little season after time (a thousand years) shall be no longer, since the Kingdom of God in heaven will be complete, during Satan's little season, there will be tribulation for faithful saints still left alive on the earth during this short period of time as Satan pours out great wrath upon the churches (camp of the saints, beloved city) but it will not last for one thousand more years of time. The time for man to be saved will be expired when Satan is set free.

 

[rwb]

There is only ONE Kingdom of God! It's the Kingdom Christ ushered in when He came to earth a man. Christ proves the Kingdom of God had come with Him when He cast out devils/demons.

Luke 11:20 (KJV) But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.

The Kingdom of God that Christ came to earth with was not, nor shall it ever be a physical Kingdom as it was of Old upon THIS earth. Because Christ says the Kingdom of God He came with is not of this world but is within you. Whosoever has been born again of Christ's Spirit both knows (see) and has entered the Kingdom of God.

Luke 17:21 (KJV) Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

John 3:3 (KJV) Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

All who have been born again have through Christ's Spirit entered the Kingdom of God, the heavenly Jerusalem as the general assembly and church of the firstborn, spirits of just men made perfect. And to Jesus seated on His throne in heaven. Those who have been born again are not waiting for Christ to come in a Kingdom as it was of Old. We are already with Him (spiritually) waiting for the final day of this age when Christ will bring us back with Him to establish complete Kingdom of God on the new earth, not for one thousand years, but forevermore.

Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
Heb 12:25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
Heb 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
Heb 12:27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

 

[Luther7]

"Those who have been born again are not waiting for Christ to come in a Kingdom as it was of Old. We are already with Him (spiritually) waiting for the final day of this age when Christ will bring us back with Him to establish complete Kingdom of God on the new earth, not for one thousand years, but forevermore."

Amen. Sadly those in the churches who are waiting for a millennial reign of Christ on this current earth are under a talmudic spell. I just can't believe how many millions are indoctrinated like that.