It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

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WPM

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Not funny to preach Falsely.
All you have is frustrating rants because you have no Scripture. If you had Scripture you would be able to refute everything I am saying. But you have nothing apart from insults. The next stage is running. That is all Pretribbers can do.
 

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All you have is frustrating rants because you have no Scripture. If you had Scripture you would be able to refute everything I am saying. But you have nothing apart from insults. The next stage is running. That is all Pretribbers can do.
lol… you have been given plenty of Verifying Scripture…

I am well aware of your frustration of desperately trying to figure out Spiritual things with your Carnal Mind and…Failing…

And attempting to blame with the typical tactics anyone else for your own failures to understand.

Boo hoo.
 

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More than one.

Not true. You fight with Christ. Jesus told to His Jewish followers prior to the cross, in John 10:14-16, “I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.”
 

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lol… you have been given plenty of Verifying Scripture…

I am well aware of your frustration of desperately trying to figure out Spiritual things with your Carnal Mind and…Failing…

And attempting to blame with the typical tactics anyone else for your own failures to understand.

Boo hoo.

Does your mum know you are online and not at school?
 

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Nothing new…
Gaslight others
Void of spiritual understanding
Preach from a Carnal perspective
Ask irrelevant questions
Boring

I am trying to get you to engage with God's Word. All you want is to run your mouth off and insult.
 

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you have been given plenty of Verifying Scripture…

Where?

• You are incapable of showing us from Scripture a rapture of the Church followed by any period of tribulation followed by a 3rd coming.
• You are incapable of addressing Scripture or counter arguments.
 

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No. Amillennialists are consistent. They take both as figurative time periods. One hour represents a short period of time. A thousand years represents a long period of time. They have consistent hermeneutics. Pre-trib has no hermeneutics. It is foisted upon God's word.
Yes. You do state your own words and attempt to apply your words to others.

And … God IS Just… Seems you would like to be Present ON Earth during the Trib from Heaven..

Hope you get getting and decide what you want and get what you want as I trust I Have what I wanted.
 

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Scriptural Time varies, beginning with darkness and then according to sun up, sun down…

Do you accept that the figure “a thousand” (including a thousand years) and ten thousand are repeatedly used in Scripture to denote a vast indeterminate amount or period of time?

Moses employs `a thousand' in Deuteronomy 7:9 saying, "Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

1 Chronicles 16:13-17 also states, "O ye seed of Israel his servant, ye children of Jacob, his chosen ones. He is the LORD our God; his judgments are in all the earth. Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations; Even of the covenant which he made with Abraham, and of his oath unto Isaac; And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

A thousand and ten thousand are used together in Psalm 91, saying, "Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day; Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday. A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee" (vv 5-7).

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

A similar contrast between these two numbers or ideas is seen in Deuteronomy 32:30, where a rhetorical question is asked, "How should one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had sold them, and the Lord had shut them up?"

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

Joshua affirms, on the same vein, in chapter 23, "One man of you shall chase a thousand: for the LORD your God, he it is that fighteth for you, as he hath promised you" (v 10).

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

Isaiah the prophet similarly declares in Isaiah 30:17, "one thousand shall flee at the rebuke of one."

This incidentally is the only passage in Scripture that makes mention of the actual number "one thousand," albeit, the term is used to impress a spiritual truth.

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

Psalm 84:9-10 says, "Behold, O God our shield, and look upon the face of thine anointed. For a day in thy courts is better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

The figure a thousand is also employed in Psalm 50:10-11 saying, "For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills. I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

Ecclesiastes 7:27-28 succinctly says, "one man among a thousand have I found."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

In the same vein, Job 33:23 declares, "If there be a messenger with him, an interpreter, one among a thousand, to shew unto man his uprightness."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?

The distinct contrast between one and a thousand is again found in Job 9:2-3, where Job declares, "I know it is so of a truth: but how should man be just with God? If he will contend with him, he cannot answer him one of a thousand."

Is this a literal or figurative thousand?
 

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I am trying to get you to engage with God's Word. All you want is to run your mouth off and insult.

There IS Zero reason for me to remotely believe you ARE saved, and by your Posts…and silly questions…

There is Zero reason for me to believe you have the capability to discuss Spiritual things.

So your umpteen threads Against what the Lord has Offered those He saved…
Is but opportunity for me to practice typing.
With Zero expectation of anything of value from you.
 

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Not true. You fight with Christ. Jesus told to His Jewish followers prior to the cross, in John 10:14-16, “I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.”
Shall be one fold…has not come into fruition…. And will not until the End of Christ Jesus’ 1.000 year Reign,
 

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I am trying to get you to engage with God's Word. All you want is to run your mouth off and insult.
I engage daily with Gods Word…
And enjoy engaging with others who have Gods understanding of Gods Word.

You are not a joy to engage with.
 

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Where?

• You are incapable of showing us from Scripture a rapture of the Church followed by any period of tribulation followed by a 3rd coming.
• You are incapable of addressing Scripture or counter arguments.
Why do YOU keep asking ME to SHOW YOU things in Scripture I never said are written IN Scripture?
 

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Revelation 19 is a picture of the glorious return of Christ. Jesus comes in majesty and power to execute judgment upon all.
Yes I agree !!!! Rev 19 is the glorious return of Christ Jesus...what a day that will be when Christ Jesus, the King of kings and Lord of lords comes to execute judgement !!!

We all know what Luke a man inspired by the Holy Spirit wrote in Acts 1....9 And when he had said these things, as they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him out of their sight. 10 And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white robes, 11 and said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.”

We all know when Jesus ascended in Acts 1...That is, Jesus left the same way He will return in Rev 19....Jesus will return in Rev 19 in a, let's say, "gentle" fashion. That is what the bible says @WPM
 

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Do you accept that the figure “a thousand” (including a thousand years) and ten thousand are repeatedly used in Scripture to denote a vast indeterminate amount or period of time?
Every number in Scripture is Literal, less for you, you think Scripture is a God Approved book of Lies….and on display for your amusement to attempt to instigate irrelevant childish debate.
 

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Yes I agree !!!! Rev 19 is the glorious return of Christ Jesus...what a day that will be when Christ Jesus, the King of kings and Lord of


lords comes to execute judgement !!!

You skipped past Jesus’ 1,000 year reign…
The Lord comes to RULE over kings, who are Mortal and Nations generations, whose citizens are Mortals.
Afterward, is Judgements.
 

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Yes I agree !!!! Rev 19 is the glorious return of Christ Jesus...what a day that will be when Christ Jesus, the King of kings and Lord of lords comes to execute judgement !!!

We all know what Luke a man inspired by the Holy Spirit wrote in Acts 1....9 And when he had said these things, as they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him out of their sight. 10 And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white robes, 11 and said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.”

We all know when Jesus ascended in Acts 1...That is, Jesus left the same way He will return in Rev 19....Jesus will return in Rev 19 in a, let's say, "gentle" fashion. That is what the bible says @WPM
Does anyone survive this that is left behind?
 

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Every number in Scripture is Literal, less for you, you think Scripture is a God Approved book of Lies….and on display for your amusement to attempt to instigate irrelevant childish debate.
You seem incapable of answering simple questions. All you can do is hurl abuse. You must be very miserable, frustrated and bitter.