Of Harvests and barns and gathering the people to Him, the products of the land

[Scott Downey]

Both are allowed to grow together until the harvest

Then they are separated one from the other, each having their own destiny.

Luke 3
15 Now as the people were in expectation, and all reasoned in their hearts about John, whether he was the Christ or not, 16 John answered, saying to all, “I indeed baptize you with water; but One mightier than I is coming, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to loose. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. 17 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather the wheat into His barn; but the chaff He will burn with unquenchable fire.”

18 And with many other exhortations he preached to the people. 19 But Herod the tetrarch, being rebuked by him concerning Herodias, his [d]brother Philip’s wife, and for all the evils which Herod had done, 20 also added this, above all, that he shut John up in prison.

Matthew 6:26
Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they?

Matthew 13

The Parable of the Wheat and the Tares​

24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ’ ”

The Parable of the Dragnet​

47 “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet that was cast into the sea and gathered some of every kind, 48 which, when it was full, they drew to shore; and they sat down and gathered the good into vessels, but threw the bad away. 49 So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just, 50 and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”


Matthew 25
31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the [a]holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.

Mark 13
26 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then He will send His angels, and gather together His [a]elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven.

John 15

The True Vine​

15 “I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He [a]takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.

5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you[b] will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. 8 By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.

Acts 4
23 And being let go, they went to their own companions and reported all that the chief priests and elders had said to them. 24 So when they heard that, they raised their voice to God with one accord and said: “Lord, You are God, who made heaven and earth and the sea, and all that is in them, 25 who [c]by the mouth of Your servant David have said:

‘Why did the nations rage,
And the people plot vain things?
26 The kings of the earth took their stand,
And the rulers were gathered together
Against the Lord and against His Christ.’
27 “For truly against Your holy Servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, were gathered together 28 to do whatever Your hand and Your purpose determined before to be done.

Ephesians 1:10 is the same as Mark 13 gathering from the farthest part of earth to the farthest of heaven in Him, that is the 'rapture gathering'

that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him.

2 Thessalonians 2 is also describing the 'rapture' gathering to Him from earth and heaven all things in Christ, that is all the new creations who are in Christ.

The Great Apostasy​

2 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of [a]Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of [b]sin is revealed, the son of perdition,

 

[Davy]

Since Christ's Revelation is passed over in the above, the brethren should expect next men's false theory of Amillennialism to be thrown in. Why?

Because Amillennialists don't like what the Revelation 20 Chapter reveals about Christ's future literal "thousand years" reign over the wicked and unsaved. That is why they favor these Gospel Scripture descriptions of the wicked perishing on the day of Christ's future coming. It's because Lord Jesus did not include the event of His future "thousand years" reign in them, although that future reign with His elect priests and kings is mentioned in both The Old Testament and in Revelation.


The following event has NEVER... happened before, even to this day:

Rev 3:9
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
KJV

That "synagogue of Satan" represents Christ's worse enemies here on earth. They have never bowed the knee to Christ at the feet of His elect Church to this day. That can ONLY happen AFTER Christ's future return.

 

[Scott Downey]

Since Christ's Revelation is passed over in the above, the brethren should expect next men's false theory of Amillennialism to be thrown in. Why?

Because Amillennialists don't like what the Revelation 20 Chapter reveals about Christ's future literal "thousand years" reign over the wicked and unsaved. That is why they favor these Gospel Scripture descriptions of the wicked perishing on the day of Christ's future coming. It's because Lord Jesus did not include the event of His future "thousand years" reign in them, although that future reign with His elect priests and kings is mentioned in both The Old Testament and in Revelation.


The following event has NEVER... happened before, even to this day:

Rev 3:9
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
KJV

That "synagogue of Satan" represents Christ's worse enemies here on earth. They have never bowed the knee to Christ at the feet of His elect Church to this day. That can ONLY happen AFTER Christ's future return.

Let's not rip it out of context there...

Reveleation 3:9, is written to an actual church of that time.

7 “And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: ‘These things saith He that is holy, He that is true, He that hath the key of David, He that openeth and no man shutteth, and shutteth and no man openeth:

8 I know thy works. Behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it. For thou hast a little strength, and hast kept My Word, and hast not denied My name.

9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but do lie — behold, I will make them to come and worship at thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

10 Because thou hast kept the word of My patience, I will also keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world to try them that dwell upon the earth.

11 Behold, I come quickly; hold fast that which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more; and I will write upon him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, which is New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from My God, and I will write upon him My new name.

13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches!’


Davy’s reliance on Revelation 3:9 to salvage his timeline is a textbook example of missing the entire historical, epistolary context of the passage.

• The Historical Setting of Philadelphia: Jesus was speaking directly to the first-century church in Philadelphia regarding real, localized opposition from hostile opponents who falsely claimed to be God's people.
• Vindication in History: Scriptural and historical records show that early Christian communities frequently experienced local vindication as their adversaries were forced to acknowledge God's favor upon them. Twisting a specific, localized promise to a first-century assembly into a mandate for a future, multi-century earthly political kingdom completely misses the author's intended meaning.
• Overriding Didactic Texts: By leaning on an isolated verse like Revelation 3:9 to prop up a physical, earthly millennium, he is doing precisely what false teachers do—trading the clear, didactic New Testament declarations of simultaneous judgment for speculative, forced interpretations of local promises.

When an interlocutor has to detach a letter written to a specific ancient church and weaponize it against the explicit, terminal descriptions of the Second Coming in Revelation 19 and 2 Thessalonians 1, it demonstrates just how fragile their entire framework is.

 

[Scott Downey]

Revelation 3:10 ("Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth") is one of the most heavily contested battlegrounds in eschatology, particularly between dispensational pre-tribulation frameworks and alternative timelines.

Examining the text closely reveals why it cuts straight to the core of these debates:

• The Greek Construction (tērēsō ek): The promise to "keep... from" utilizes the verb tēreō (to guard, watch over, or protect) paired with the preposition ek (meaning "out of" or "away from"). Proponents of a pre-tribulation exit argue that this compound construction guarantees a complete exemption from entering the period of trial, pointing to a spatial or positional removal. Conversely, other analysts argue it can mean preservation through a sphere of danger, comparable to being safeguarded amid trials.
• The Target of the Trial ("Those who dwell on the earth"): A crucial interpretive marker in the verse is the designation of who the trial is ultimately meant for: "to test those who dwell on the earth" (Greek tous katoikountas epi tēs gēs). Throughout the Book of Revelation, this specific phrase (earth-dwellers) is consistently used by John to identify unregenerate, rebellious humanity—the very ones allied with the beast's system—rather than the body of believers.
• The Scope and Scale: The text specifies an "hour of trial" coming upon the whole world (oikoumenē), indicating a globally scaled eschatological crisis rather than a localized first-century skirmish in Asia Minor.

When interlocutors attempt to weaponize isolated clauses from the letters to the churches to prop up multi-stage political timelines, looking closely at phrases like "earth-dwellers" and the exact grammatical force of preservation shows how the text refuses to fit neatly into speculative blueprints!

 

[Davy]

Let's not rip it out of context there...

Did you come up with that false statement staying up all night? What I said is in 100% context of the Scriptures, because I ain't following men's doctrines like you are.

Reveleation 3:9, is written to an actual church of that time.

WRONG! Jesus' seven Messages to the seven Churches in Asia STILL APPLY TO ALL CHURCHES TODAY. That's why each one has a 'candlestick' in Heaven representing them on earth, showing the seven candlesticks are pattern in the Heavenly for His Church on earth. Jesus even includes prophecy within them that can only apply to the time of the end of this world and His future coming.

To the Church at Ephesus Jesus said...

Rev 2:5
5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
KJV

That is so..........EASY. All it takes is just a little brain power to understand.

But what do YOU (@Scott Downey) do instead? You actually LEAVE the context of what Jesus showed with His seven Messages in Revelation 2 & 3 and PUSH a STUPID DOCTRINE OF MEN THAT SHOWS NO COMMON SENSE, and not even a little brain power effort in trying to understand.

And posting all the verses of what Jesus said to the Church of Philadelphia doesn't mean you understand it either. That's just you trying to use the Scripture as cannon fodder in hope others might believe you know what you're talking about, when you do not.

You need to REPENT to Christ for following men's doctrines, and get back into His Word for yourself with God's help.