It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

[The Light]

Rom 16:
[17] Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

You admittedly Are contrary to the Doctrine you claim to Have Learned!

Bingo.

He has nothing but claims of avoidance. He is continually answered. He can't refute. Then he claims avoidance.

In the end believers are instructed to avoid those that cause divisions.

I asked him many times to give me one question, his best question and I will answer it. When it's answered he will the string together dozens of baloney questions and say see you have avoided all 142 questions that I asked.

Not worth my time.

 

[WPM]

What is this....false peace/unity brought in by man that the nations will embrace?
How is it played out at the end of the tribulation?

I believe the secular and the religious will join together to persecute God's people the Church before the end. The whore (false religion) will ride on the back of the beast (the antichrist secular system).

 

[WPM]

Bingo.

He has nothing but claims of avoidance. He is continually answered. He can't refute. Then he claims avoidance.

In the end believers are instructed to avoid those that cause divisions.

I asked him many times to give me one question, his best question and I will answer it. When it's answered he will the string together dozens of baloney questions and say see you have avoided all 142 questions that I asked.

Not worth my time.

Lol. So, anyone who disagrees with what you teach should be avoided? That is a load of nonsense. We all disagree on this forum. That is not what it's talking about.

This is all a smokescreen to mask you having no answer to the simple biblical questions. The ironic thing is that you are totally and utterly incapable of presenting one proof text to support your paradigm. You have absolutely nothing. The reason why you're running is because you are bereft of any biblical warrant.

 

[CrowCross]

I believe the secular and the religious will join together to persecute God's people the Church before the end. The whore (false religion) will ride on the back of the beast (the antichrist secular system).

LOL....DUDE!!!!....You're persecuting me RIGHT NOW!!!

 

[Taken]

Again, zero proof texts and more ad hominem. You reinforce my thesis above.

You should have Read, Learned, Believed, Converted…
And Trusted…

John 14:
[16] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
[17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
[18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
[19] Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
[20] At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

Not my fault, Not my problem,
YOU do NOT Read, Listen, Believe, Trust….
YOU have Not Known that day,
that He is not in you,
that ONCE in you, He would Never Leave You.

 

[Taken]

LOL....DUDE!!!!....You're persecuting me RIGHT NOW!!!

He is the Tribulations THIS World Will HAVE as taught.

 

[Taken]

Lol. So, anyone who disagrees with what you teach should be avoided? That is a load of nonsense. We all disagree on this forum. That is not what it's talking about.

This is all a smokescreen to mask you having no answer to the simple biblical questions. The ironic thing is that you are totally and utterly incapable of presenting one proof text to support your paradigm. You have absolutely nothing. The reason why you're running is because you are bereft of any biblical warrant.

Disagreeing is one thing…
Calling the one a liar, that you disagree with another thing….

 

[Scott Downey]

Bingo.

He has nothing but claims of avoidance. He is continually answered. He can't refute. Then he claims avoidance.

In the end believers are instructed to avoid those that cause divisions.

I asked him many times to give me one question, his best question and I will answer it. When it's answered he will the string together dozens of baloney questions and say see you have avoided all 142 questions that I asked.

Not worth my time.

Rom 16:
[17] Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

Since so many have learned differently, and scripture can not be broken, then many people are believing lies. Paul wrote this for those who follow the apostles doctrines, as taught by the apostles. And all the apostles are gone. So we must pay close attention to the scriptures as that is showing the true light. Anyone using the above scripture, while believing lies, and avoiding the apostles and Christ's doctrines, is a double hypocrite. God will be the judge of it.

James 3

My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment. 2 For we all stumble in many things. If anyone does not stumble in word, he is a [a]perfect man, able also to bridle the whole body. 3 [b]Indeed, we put bits in horses’ mouths that they may obey us, and we turn their whole body. 4 Look also at ships: although they are so large and are driven by fierce winds, they are turned by a very small rudder wherever the pilot desires. 5 Even so the tongue is a little member and boasts great things.

See how great a forest a little fire kindles! 6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of [c]iniquity. The tongue is so set among our members that it defiles the whole body, and sets on fire the course of [d]nature; and it is set on fire by [e]hell. 7 For every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and creature of the sea, is tamed and has been tamed by mankind. 8 But no man can tame the tongue. It is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. 9 With it we bless our God and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in the [f]similitude of God. 10 Out of the same mouth proceed blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not to be so. 11 Does a spring send forth fresh water and bitter from the same opening? 12 Can a fig tree, my brethren, bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? [g]Thus no spring yields both salt water and fresh.

 

[Taken]

Bingo.

He has nothing but claims of avoidance. He is continually answered. He can't refute. Then he claims avoidance.

In the end believers are instructed to avoid those that cause divisions.

I asked him many times to give me one question, his best question and I will answer it. When it's answered he will the string together dozens of baloney questions and say see you have avoided all 142 questions that I asked.

Not worth my time.

Yes he dances around to multiple topics, mixing them to avoid the Truth.

 

[Taken]

I believe the secular and the religious will join together to persecute God's people the Church before the end.

You are riding 0n that Bandwagon now…

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Absolutely. Talk about foolish reasoning. They do similar with the supposed non-mention of the word "Church" (singular) between Rev 4 and 19. They hang on their own gallows.

Right. There is no consistency in their interpretive approach to scripture whatsoever. It's just random. Whatever they need to do to make scripture say what they want it to say, that's what they do. It's a joke.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

As I have said....the truth of the pre-tribulation rapture is alive and well.

And, yet, no pre-tribs here have any ability whatsoever to exegete scripture and back up their pre-trib rapture theory. I would say it's completely dead, if the pre-tribs here are any indication.

 

[WPM]

LOL....DUDE!!!!....You're persecuting me RIGHT NOW!!!

You seem to have a problem with the truth. That is your issue.

 

[WPM]

You are riding 0n that Bandwagon now…

Listen to yourself. Can you see how vicious you are? This is so out of order.

 

[Taken]

And, yet, no pre-tribs here have any ability whatsoever to exegete scripture and back up their pre-trib rapture theory. I would say it's completely dead, if the pre-tribs here are any indication.

You are asking proof of what you call a (Pre/Trib Rapture THEORY…)

I don’t have a Theory.

 

[WPM]

Disagreeing is one thing…
Calling the one a liar, that you disagree with another thing….

You guys are out of control. You cannot address the Scriptures. You cannot answer any biblical questions. All is you have is ad hominem.

 

[WPM]

You are asking proof of what you call a (Pre/Trib Rapture THEORY…)

I don’t have a Theory.

Yes you do. You cannot prove it by any Scripture. Show us hard Scripture that teaches a rapture of the Church followed by a tribulation followed by a third coming. That is what you profess but that is not what you can prove.

 

[Taken]

Listen to yourself. Can you see how vicious you are? This is so out of order.

Nothing vicious about the Truth.

Calling other people liars, Their Beliefs false, theories…

You are the one hounding, demanding, making accusations… Own it.

 

[Taken]

You guys are out of control. You cannot address the Scriptures. You cannot answer any biblical questions. All is you have is ad hominem.

The saved by Christ Have the Truth…
They are Not Going to suffer Wrath from Heaven…BECAUSE Their Lord Savior calls them UP TO Him.

The Saved IN Christ Suffer Tribulations during their lifetime from people like you… OF this World…hounding, name calling, gaslighting, falsely Accusing…

 

[Taken]

Yes you do. You cannot prove it by any Scripture. Show us hard Scripture that teaches a rapture of the Church followed by a tribulation

followed by a third coming. That is what you profess.

LOL… yet my words have Never said that…

False accuser, Gaslighter…Get a toddler Bible…

Scripture…For the Saved, is not written in the texts you demand they be.

Rapture is one Event…. for a specific Group.

Wrath upon the Earth is A different Event… for Living People ON The Earth, like you who Reject The Lord Claiming His Church, Bride…
And Fail to Testify regarding Salvation…
And by your Works…no reason for me to believe… the Rapture applies to You… and Definitely… why it is Not for you to Spiritually understand.

If it is Too much for your simple MIND to Figure Out…
The Rapture Occurs…in ONE Book of Scriptural Knowledge..
And
FOURTEEN Scriptural BOOKS LATER the Tribulation and WRATH from Heaven are Being Described as they Shall THEN be SENT.

Go on your way… and stop worrying and badgering they IN Christ.