Only Paul, no-one else for today

[PeterAndroz]

What don't believers of today not understand ?
Why do you REJECT Scripture ?
Christ and ALL the Apostles agreed that Paul teaches you & I how to be saved TODAY, not they.
..
Acts 9:15 Paul is our Apostle TODAY
Rom 11:13.....as above
Rom 15:16.....as above
Gal 2:7-9........as above
1 Tim 2:7.......as above
Gal 2:2............as above
Eph 3:8...........as above
2 Tim 1:11.....as above

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings Peter Andrew,

Christ and ALL the Apostles agreed that Paul teaches you & I how to be saved TODAY, not they.

Jesus is our teacher and reveals how to be saved. This in no way diminishes the role of Paul. Any distinction is artificial.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I also love John ,Peter, and Matthew. What do you have against them? John and Peter show the truth that there are two types of sin in God's eyes with different weights of condemnation. The Reformation literally threw away that important truth that even Roman Catholics knew and know. From the Reformation came doctrines of demons solely linked to their abuse of Scripture downsizing the two types of sin into "sin is sin," with the same results of forgiveness for both when the first one causes death if committed, especially after being born again. Therefore, their OSAS is a myth. Heresy and ignorance! You won't find this knowledge by just reading Paul.

cc: @PeterAndroz and @TrevorHL

 

[PeterAndroz]

Greetings Peter Andrew,

Jesus is our teacher and reveals how to be saved. This in no way diminishes the role of Paul. Any distinction is artificial.

Kind regards
Trevor

Thx for being polite
""Jesus is our teacher and reveals how to be saved.""
100% correct and selected which Apostles taught who & when
..
Acts 9:15 - who did Christ select to teach you ?
Rom 11:13 - this guy ?
Rom 15:16 - this guy ?
Ephesi 3:8 - this guy ?
1 Timo 2:7 - this guy ?
2 Tim 1:11 - this guy ?
Galatia 2:2 - this guy ?
Gala 2:7-9 - did they all agree it was the guy above ?

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings again Peter Androz,

""Jesus is our teacher and reveals how to be saved.""
100% correct and selected which Apostles taught who & when
.Acts 9:15 - who did Christ select to teach you ?

Yes, but you seem to be misusing this fact to erroneously imply that Peter and John preached a different Gospel to the Gospel that Paul preached.

Christ and ALL the Apostles agreed that Paul teaches you & I how to be saved TODAY, not they.

In your OP as stated above you claim that we do not need to listen and obey the teachings of Christ, and as such I suggest that your edifice is built on sand.
Matthew 7:24–27 (AV): 24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

Gala 2:7-9 - did they all agree it was the guy above ?

You seem to be misusing this passage as well.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[PeterAndroz]

Greetings again Peter Androz,

Yes, but you seem to be misusing this fact to erroneously imply that Peter and John preached a different Gospel to the Gospel that Paul preached.

In your OP as stated above you claim that we do not need to listen and obey the teachings of Christ, and as such I suggest that your edifice is built on sand.
Matthew 7:24–27 (AV): 24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

You seem to be misusing this passage as well.

Kind regards
Trevor

Please list the actual verses that teach Matthew is my Apostle to teach me how to be saved and not Paul
Just the verses please Trevor, a polite request :)

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings again Peter Androz,

Please list the actual verses that teach Matthew is my Apostle to teach me how to be saved and not Paul
Just the verses please Trevor, a polite request :)

That is an erroneous request. Matthew is simply recording the words of Jesus and even Paul would endorse these words as being applicable to us.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Armour of God]

 

[PeterAndroz]

Greetings again Peter Androz,

That is an erroneous request. Matthew is simply recording the words of Jesus and even Paul would endorse these words as being applicable to us.

Kind regards
Trevor

That was an opinion Trevor
The kind request was for verses that teach Matthew has authority over Paul to teach me how to be saved today
Obviously there are none, so Paul it is :-
Acts 9:15
Rom 11:13
Rom 15:16
Gal 2:7-9
1 Tim 2:7
Eph 3:8
2 Tim 1:11

Why Paul? - doctrine.org

Introduction This two-word question is the most important question in New Testament studies. It is not an overstatement to say that without a correct answer to this question little can be understood of Christianity. The whole doctrine of ecclesiology, God’s…

doctrine.org

 

[sondring7]

That was an opinion Trevor
The kind request was for verses that teach Matthew has authority over Paul to teach me how to be saved today
Obviously there are none, so Paul it is :-
Acts 9:15
Rom 11:13
Rom 15:16
Gal 2:7-9
1 Tim 2:7
Eph 3:8
2 Tim 1:11

Why Paul? - doctrine.org

Introduction This two-word question is the most important question in New Testament studies. It is not an overstatement to say that without a correct answer to this question little can be understood of Christianity. The whole doctrine of ecclesiology, God’s…

doctrine.org

Reading it now,very interesting

 

[Taken]

What don't believers of today not understand ?

Knowledge comes from God Approved Scriptural Written Text.

Understanding the Knowledge comes From the Lord God, To individuals.

NOT everyone chooses to Receive the Knowledge.

NOT everyone is Given the Understanding of the Knowledge.

Why do you REJECT Scripture ?

My perspective:
All Scripture IS TRUE, Period.

Some Scripture Applies to the Naturally Born.
Some Scripture Applies to the Wicked,
Some Scripture Applies to the Evil,
Some Scripture Applies to they Without the Lord, Without God, Without the Holy Spirit.

Some Scriptures Applies to they With the Lord, With God.

Some Scripture Applies to the Spiritually Alive.
Some Scripture Applies to the Restored,
Some Scripture Applies to the Born Again.
Some Scripture Applies to they With-IN the Lord AND the Lords Spirit With-IN the man.

Point…
Rejection of Scripture…
Rightfully…
IS NOT Rejection of Scriptural Existence.
IS Rejection of its APPLICABILITY to The individual.

Christ and ALL the Apostles agreed that Paul teaches you & I how to be saved TODAY, not they.
..

Yes Specific TEACHERS WERE, Throughout History, Appointed BY God, To Preach TO Specific “Races”…
Ie. Hebrews, Tribes, Israel, Jews, and Gentiles.

Yes “Throughout History”… Tents, Plains, Homes, Temples, Temple courtyards, Synagogues, A multi-Use Building, Streets, Schools, Public Squares, Stadiums, Church’s, Airwaves, Radio, TV’s, Internet, Books, DVD’s…
* Have Been Used… BY Preachers…TO preach the Word of God…
* TO any Willing Listener.

Acts 9:15 Paul is our Apostle TODAY
Rom 11:13.....as above
Rom 15:16.....as above
Gal 2:7-9........as above
1 Tim 2:7.......as above
Gal 2:2............as above
Eph 3:8...........as above
2 Tim 1:11.....as above

Yes…
The 12 Original Apostles Jesus Chose … Jesus gave them a Specific Direction TO GO and TO NOT GO…

Matt 20:
[2] Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
[3] Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
[4] Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
[5] These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
[6] But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Saul/ Paul was chosen and given a specific Mission…

Acts 9:
[15] But the Lord said unto him, (Ananias) Go thy way: for he (Saul /Paul) is a chosen vessel unto me, (Jesus) to bear my (Jesus) name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

Yes… Paul’s Mission, and Paul’s Acceptance of his Mission Was To Teach / Preach TO:
The GENTILES, kings, children of Israel.

 

[Fathom]

According to prophecy, Satan will be imprisoned for a thousand years, and to be set free for a brief period, during which time he will rally the nations for battle.

Paul prisoner of Christ.
Ephesians 3:1
Ephesians 4:1
Philemon 1:1

German goldsmith built the first mechanical movable-type press around 1440.

The Protestant Reformation officially began on October 31, 1517, in Wittenberg, Germany.

In 1522, martin luther used the printing press to mass-produce the New Testament translated into German. For the first time, ordinary people could read the Bible in their own language rather than relying on Latin-speaking priests.

martin luther's entire theology was heavily rooted in the teachings of the Apostle Paul. luther famously considered Paul’s writings—specifically the New Testament books of Romans and Galatians—to be the absolute core of the Gospel, even elevated above the four Gospel accounts in clarity.

The Protestant Reformation unleashed widespread political, social, and religious chaos across 16th- and 17th-century Europe, shattering the monopoly of the Catholic Church and plunging nations into a century of devastating conflicts known as the European wars of religion. By dismantling the central religious authority of the Pope, martin luther's ideas accidentally opened a Pandora's box of social upheaval and political instability.

 

[PeterAndroz]

According to prophecy, Satan will be imprisoned for a thousand years, and to be set free for a brief period, during which time he will rally the nations for battle.

Paul prisoner of Christ.
Ephesians 3:1
Ephesians 4:1
Philemon 1:1

German goldsmith built the first mechanical movable-type press around 1440.

The Protestant Reformation officially began on October 31, 1517, in Wittenberg, Germany.

In 1522, martin luther used the printing press to mass-produce the New Testament translated into German. For the first time, ordinary people could read the Bible in their own language rather than relying on Latin-speaking priests.

martin luther's entire theology was heavily rooted in the teachings of the Apostle Paul. luther famously considered Paul’s writings—specifically the New Testament books of Romans and Galatians—to be the absolute core of the Gospel, even elevated above the four Gospel accounts in clarity.

The Protestant Reformation unleashed widespread political, social, and religious chaos across 16th- and 17th-century Europe, shattering the monopoly of the Catholic Church and plunging nations into a century of devastating conflicts known as the European wars of religion. By dismantling the central religious authority of the Pope, martin luther's ideas accidentally opened a Pandora's box of social upheaval and political instability.

Hey Fath, who are you responding to ?

 

[David Lamb]

Thx for being polite
""Jesus is our teacher and reveals how to be saved.""
100% correct and selected which Apostles taught who & when
..
Acts 9:15 - who did Christ select to teach you ?
Rom 11:13 - this guy ?
Rom 15:16 - this guy ?
Ephesi 3:8 - this guy ?
1 Timo 2:7 - this guy ?
2 Tim 1:11 - this guy ?
Galatia 2:2 - this guy ?
Gala 2:7-9 - did they all agree it was the guy above ?

But where does Scripture teach that God selected particular apostles to teach people in 2026?

The verses you quote say nothing about a specific apostolic teacher for the 21st century:

NKJV
Act 9:15 But the Lord said to him, "Go, for he is a chosen vessel of Mine to bear My name before Gentiles, kings, and the children of Israel.

Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,
(so in those first two verses, one says Paul was to teach Gentiles, kings and the children of Israel, and the other just says Gentiles.)

Rom 15:16 that I might be a minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering of the Gentiles might be acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.

Eph 3:8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,
(Is Paul still preaching in 2026? Of course not!)

1Ti 2:7 for which I was appointed a preacher and an apostle—I am speaking the truth in Christ and not lying—a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.

2Ti 1:11 to which I was appointed a preacher, an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.

Gal 2:2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated to them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to those who were of reputation, lest by any means I might run, or had run, in vain.
("the gospel which I preach", not "the gospel which I will preach in 2026).

Gal 2:7 But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter
Gal 2:8 (for He who worked effectively in Peter for the apostleship to the circumcised also worked effectively in me toward the Gentiles),
Gal 2:9 and when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that had been given to me, they gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.

Nothing in any of those verses suggests that a specific apostle's words recorded in Scripture were only for Gentiles in 2026, and the recorded words of the other apostles were only for Jews of all times. Besides, Paul also preached to Jews, ands Peter sometimes preached to Gentiles, as when he visited Cornelius.

 

[shepherdsword]

What don't believers of today not understand ?
Why do you REJECT Scripture ?
Christ and ALL the Apostles agreed that Paul teaches you & I how to be saved TODAY, not they.
..
Acts 9:15 Paul is our Apostle TODAY
Rom 11:13.....as above
Rom 15:16.....as above
Gal 2:7-9........as above
1 Tim 2:7.......as above
Gal 2:2............as above
Eph 3:8...........as above
2 Tim 1:11.....as above

Paul said to withdraw from those that reject the words of the Lord Jesus:

1 Ti 6:3-5
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

 

[amigo de christo]

Paul said to withdraw from those that reject the words of the Lord Jesus:

1 Ti 6:3-5
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

And now a reminder OF JESUS own words .
GO ye into all the world preaching the gospel , baptizing them in the name of the Father , the Son and the Holy Ghost
teaching them to OBSERVE ALL things i have taught you .
And HE darn sure said those who BELIEVE NOT will be DAMNED .
SO how come we have folks even on this site
calling me a religious extremist for preaching the DIRE NEED to BELIEVE ON JESUS to an athiest .
Acting as if i am a religious extremists because I POINT TO the dire need to BELIEVE ON HIM .
Why are more and more coming too and sitting at such a table AS this ecumeincalism inclusivism
interfaith , WHOSE interreligious dilagoue ,DENEID IN FULL the DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS
as it sold A LIE that all religoins already serve the same GOD we do .
And this g eneration thinks and calls THAT LOVE and cliams that peace plan to be OF GOD .
WHEN c learly it is NOT of GOD . A harlots love , IS NOT THE LOVE OF GOD but will in fact
DENY HIS TRUTH , HIS LOVE , HIS covenant . And it darn sure will call evil good and good evil
as it calls certain sins good and the very Words of scripture HATE that exposes sins .

 

[PeterAndroz]

Paul said to withdraw from those that reject the words of the Lord Jesus:

1 Ti 6:3-5
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

""Paul said to withdraw from those that reject the words of the Lord Jesus:""
and it is Lord Jesus who chose Paul to teach you how you are saved
Are you rejecting those words ?
.....
Christ and ALL the Apostles agreed that Paul teaches you & I how to be saved TODAY, not they.
..
Acts 9:15 Paul is our Apostle TODAY
Rom 11:13.....as above
Rom 15:16.....as above
Gal 2:7-9........as above
1 Tim 2:7.......as above
Gal 2:2............as above
Eph 3:8...........as above
2 Tim 1:11.....as above

 

[shepherdsword]

""Paul said to withdraw from those that reject the words of the Lord Jesus:""
and it is Lord Jesus who chose Paul to teach you how you are saved
Are you rejecting those words ?
.....
Christ and ALL the Apostles agreed that Paul teaches you & I how to be saved TODAY, not they.
..
Acts 9:15 Paul is our Apostle TODAY
Rom 11:13.....as above
Rom 15:16.....as above
Gal 2:7-9........as above
1 Tim 2:7.......as above
Gal 2:2............as above
Eph 3:8...........as above
2 Tim 1:11.....as above

Deal with the text I presented. Stop sidestepping it and trying to counter it with other verses. If you deny the words of Jesus you are in danger.

 

[PeterAndroz]

Deal with the text I presented. Stop sidestepping it and trying to counter it with other verses. If you deny the words of Jesus you are in danger.

I deal with the teachings of Jesus that apply to me, today, now.
Who taught Paul ? Jesus
Who did Jesus select as Apostle to you ? Paul
That's what you need to deal with

 

[sondring7]

But where does Scripture teach that God selected particular apostles to teach people in 2026?

The verses you quote say nothing about a specific apostolic teacher for the 21st century:

NKJV
Act 9:15 But the Lord said to him, "Go, for he is a chosen vessel of Mine to bear My name before Gentiles, kings, and the children of Israel.

Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,
(so in those first two verses, one says Paul was to teach Gentiles, kings and the children of Israel, and the other just says Gentiles.)

Rom 15:16 that I might be a minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering of the Gentiles might be acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.

Eph 3:8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,
(Is Paul still preaching in 2026? Of course not!)

1Ti 2:7 for which I was appointed a preacher and an apostle—I am speaking the truth in Christ and not lying—a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.

2Ti 1:11 to which I was appointed a preacher, an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.

Gal 2:2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated to them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to those who were of reputation, lest by any means I might run, or had run, in vain.
("the gospel which I preach", not "the gospel which I will preach in 2026).

Gal 2:7 But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter
Gal 2:8 (for He who worked effectively in Peter for the apostleship to the circumcised also worked effectively in me toward the Gentiles),
Gal 2:9 and when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that had been given to me, they gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.

Nothing in any of those verses suggests that a specific apostle's words recorded in Scripture were only for Gentiles in 2026, and the recorded words of the other apostles were only for Jews of all times. Besides, Paul also preached to Jews, ands Peter sometimes preached to Gentiles, as when he visited Cornelius.

I would like to read the verses that teach Peter has authority over Paul in 2026 to instruct Gentile me what is required to enter Heaven.
Please cite them for my study purposes