2000 years later, only Paul has the authority

[David Lamb]

List the verses please like this, easy :)
eg the saving Gospel taught by Paul
1 Cor 15:1-4
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

If I were to list all the verses, I would probably exceed the limit for length of posts! Certainly it would include 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, and also the words of Jesus in John 3:3-18, the words of Peter in 1 Peter 1:3-5, the words of Jude in Jude verses 1-3, the writer to the Hebrews in Hebrews 11, and many, many more passages.

 

[Dryhn]

If I were to list all the verses, I would probably exceed the limit for length of posts! Certainly it would include 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, and also the words of Jesus in John 3:3-18, the words of Peter in 1 Peter 1:3-5, the words of Jude in Jude verses 1-3, the writer to the Hebrews in Hebrews 11, and many, many more passages.

Let's try simple apple for apple eg how the HS is received
Paul teaches Eph 1:13
Hear, trust, believe the gospel = HS sealed

Before Eph 1:13 how was the HS received ?
Just the verses please :)

 

[David Lamb]

Let's try simple apple for apple eg how the HS is received
Paul teaches Eph 1:13
Hear, trust, believe the gospel = HS sealed

Before Eph 1:13 how was the HS received ?
Just the verses please :)

God gives His Holy Spirit to believers. Ephesians 1:13 calls Him "the Holy Spirit of promise." What promise? That of Jesus Himself in verses such as this:

NKJV Luk 11:13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!"

We see the promise fulfilled when Peter preached to Gentiles at the house of Cornelius:

Act 10:44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word.
Act 10:45 And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.

 

[Dryhn]

God gives His Holy Spirit to believers. Ephesians 1:13 calls Him "the Holy Spirit of promise." What promise? That of Jesus Himself in verses such as this:

NKJV Luk 11:13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!"

We see the promise fulfilled when Peter preached to Gentiles at the house of Cornelius:

Act 10:44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word.
Act 10:45 And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.

Acts 8:15-17, Acts 19:6 -- to receive the HS there were occasions where the Apostles had to lay hands & pray
This was NEVER required after Eph 1:13

Strange if the gospel in effect BEFORE Eph 1:13 is the EXACT same saving gospel as in 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13

I look forward to your explanation :)

 

[Brakelite]

List the verses please like this, easy :)
eg the saving Gospel taught by Paul
1 Cor 15:1-4
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

You are restricting the Almighty God to save people according to your very narrow personal convictions. Paul and all the other apostles including Jesus Himself explained that the good news of salvation came to us because of one reason and one reason only. The blood of the Lamb. That's the reason we are saved. Because Christ died for our justification, and rose again for our sanctification. That does not explain how you received it personally, and how that single most important truth in all divine and human history impacted your life. Each on of us is different. We come from different backgrounds, we have experienced life differently, we all have unique social, cultural, religious, and familial circumstances that have shaped and molded our thinking. But because God loves us all without reservation, He will adapt, change, reshape and move mountains if need be to open our hearts and minds that we may receive and experience the living power and presence of the Father and the Son (the holy Spirit) in our daily experience, and come to know Him relationally in order for us to have eternal life. Don't be so legalistic and narrow to believe God needs Paul to save anyone. He doesn't need Paul. But He chose Paul for a specific people for a specific time. God didn't need anyone, but chose people to preach, teach, and live out the gospel as examples in order for you and me to understand truth as it is in Jesus. God will use, and does use any means at His disposal to share the truth. Even you and me.

 

[Brakelite]

Let's try simple apple for apple eg how the HS is received
Paul teaches Eph 1:13
Hear, trust, believe the gospel = HS sealed

Before Eph 1:13 how was the HS received ?
Just the verses please :)

One of many...

John 1:12. But as many as received Him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit....
...9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you....
...14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

 

[Brakelite]

1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 is how believers are HS sealed according to Paul

What do your verses teach as to how a believer receives the HS ?

They are not my verses. They are the word of God. You may do with them as you see fit.

 

[Dryhn]

They are not my verses. They are the word of God. You may do with them as you see fit.

What are the verses that you believe teach how brakelite receives the HS ?

 

[Brakelite]

None of these verses say that the 4 gospels belong to the Old Testament and we should pay attention only to the church epistles.

Nor do they say the gospel proclaimed to the gentiles was different from the gospel proclaimed to the Jews.



Acts 9:15

But the Lord said to Ananias, Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel.


NOTE: Paul was a chosen instrument, but not the only chosen instrument. Paul was just one among many who spread the gospel to gentiles.

Peter preached to Cornelius, a Roman centurion of the Italian Regiment stationed in Caesarea.

Phillip preached to the Ethiopian eunuch.



Romans 11:13,14

I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry

in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them.


NOTE: Paul was preaching to gentiles, but also to Jews.



Romans 15:16

That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.


NOTE: This does not say that nobody else was ministering the gospel to gentiles.

And Thomas established the Christian Church in Goa, India, which thrived for over 1000 years until the Jesuits arrived and demanded the Christians there must submit to the pope... who of course has no authority over anybody except those who submit to it. Just like an idol. The idol receives no worship until someone gives it. There is no inherent worthiness that requires worship within the idol. Same with authority. Even Jesus Himself, while always Lord of all, does not enforce His authority over those who choose not to surrender to it.

 

[Brakelite]

What are the verses that you believe teach how brakelite receives the HS ?

I receive the Holy Spirit by receiving Jesus. He and the Father dwell within us by their Spirit. I thought the scriptures i quoted told you that.

 

[Dryhn]

I receive the Holy Spirit by receiving Jesus. He and the Father dwell within us by their Spirit. I thought the scriptures i quoted told you that.

I don't recall any verse you quoted that teach how the HS is received today
I am aware of ONLY 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 as being the ONLY and no other way today the HS is received

What verses would you like to quote ?
TIA