The PROCESS of SALVATION.

[PeterAndroz]

Read your last post.

Paul teaches Who will have all men to be saved, 1 Tm 2:4

KJV old English confuses some people

Even Peter teaches not willing that any should perish, 2 Pt 3:9
...
Conclusion :-
1 Tim 2:4, 2 Pet 3:9
God desires, wants, would like etc etc all to be saved
Yet GOD >>KNOWS<< c/- foreknowledge that it wont happen
..
So AGAIN, where or when have I claimed that EVERYONE will be saved ?

 

[mailmandan]

There are 3 tenses to salvation that often get confused by those who teach salvation by faith AND WORKS.

1. We have been saved from the PENALTY of sin (justification - Romans 5:1) - one time event
2. We are being saved from the POWER of sin (ongoing sanctification - Philippians 2:12-13) - process
3. We will be saved from the PRESENCE of sin (glorification - 1 Corinthians 15:51-57) - process complete

 

[Behold]

t. But the soul is saved over time.

Nonsense.

 

[Behold]

Today, how to be saved, justified, HSsealed

As soon as a person's SPIRIT is borm again, they are now "sealed by the Holy Spirit" "unto the day of Redempiton".

The day of Redemption is when the Born again receive their NEW BODY.

Also, the Born again are sancififed, justified, by being IN CHRIST, as there is no other way offered.

This is why if you read a KJV, .. 1 Corin 1:30, you find that the Christian has become saved, justified, SANCTIFIED, as all of this is strictly related to being born again "IN CHRIST".

 

[Behold]

KJV old English confuses some people

What confuses people are cult members.......such as a CATHOLIC, or a CALVINIST, who do not understand The BLOOD ATONEMENT that is the NEW TESTAMENT, ... and because they dont understand it, they confuse people when they try to pretend they can teach the scriptures.

People like you, @PeterAndroz

 

[amigo de christo]

I read to this point in your post.
"...although many die in there sins never knowing or receiving salvation until they pass from this life."

Those who die in their sins are saved from their sins after they die?

allow me to introduce to you the difference between ignorance and WILLFULL ignorance .
You see one cannot cliam ignorance of the TRUTH
IF THEY HEAR IT and THEN REJECT IT . no sir those are willfully ign orant now .
SO i advise all , not to give out false hope
but rather GIVE OUT THE GOSPEL OF YE MUST ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE ON JESUS to be saved and not perish .
Cause JESUS I KNOW saves
And unbeleif graves . that is a fact mr gray joy .
Just a friendly reminder to us all . Time to preach JESUS . I KNOW HE SAVES .
And i know what HE told even his own who had asked
BUT LORD who then can be saved ,
WITH MAN THIS is impossible . NOT WITH GOD .
And GOD has chosen exactly HOW to save .
By the preaching of the gopsel to save those WHO BELEIVE . that simple gray joy .

 

[Behold]

Reader, notice the title of this Thread,...

"The PROCESS........of Salvation".

Reader.........God's Salvation is not a PROCESS..........God's Salvaiton = is a SAVIOR who DIED to provide to you, God's Salvation, if you will believe in Christ.

"Justification BY = Faith"...."without works, or deeds of The Law".

Reader.........Jesus on The Cross is "SALVATiON" and He is not a PROCESS.
He is not a commandment you keep, or a work you try to do.

 

[amigo de christo]

Gal 2:7-9 John & the 12 inc Paul agreed that Paul teaches the heathen/gentiles and they the rest..
Paul teaches Who will have all men to be saved, 1 Tm 2:4
Even Peter teaches not willing that any should perish, 2 Pt 3:9
..
By using Jn6:44, are you implying the Father does NOT desire all to be saved ?

and what DID GOD tell even the jews by the prophets .
WHY WILL YE DIE . For i desire not the death of the wicked b ut rather HE REPENT .
But many do reject and many do call GOD a liar even now .
And seeing i know all false religoins and the world calls him a liar .
I was talkin about many in christendom .
HERE is who calls GOD A LIAR . HE who beleives NOT the testimony that GOD gave of the SON .
And now we got many trying to pander to UNBELIEF while claiming they BELIEVE .
BUT NO SIR , wont ALLOW IT .
EITHIER WE BELIEVE ITS TOTALLY NECESARRY to BELIEVE ON JESUS
or we DONT . But it cannot be both .
IN other words , WHY oh why peter am i seeing so many falling for the lie of anti christ
and its interreligoius dialgoue
that clearly said , ALL religoins on mother earth are serving the exact same GOD a christain does .
THEY just coming to him in differnt ways . DO YOU BLEIEVE THAT . if so your belief IS UNBELEIF .
EITHER WE BELIEVE we must BELIEVE or we dont .
SO remember that the next time someone calls a man like me
A RELIGOUIS extremist for preaching the dire need TO BELIEVE ON JESUS to an atheist
or any other false religoin . You all have no idea who and where this all inclusive love god
is leading this generation . it leads them all to anti christ and its peace plan
and it is the devil himself who has used his harlot to pour a cup of fornication upon them all
THAT It calls love and it says is the way to peace n safety . But it , my dear sir , IS a liar and the f ather of all lies .

 

[amigo de christo]

""But since you asked, all are not Saved,""
And I claimed that where ?

Do you believe that the devil can quoate any scrip and yet he twists it to imply a fat lie .
I bet you know he can .
SO do you bleieve that the devil and his countless co workers
can all say GOD IS LOVE and yet be leading them all to the lie , into deep rebellion against GOD , HIS CHRIST and his saints .
IF not , THEN LOOK AT OUR CHURHES NOW my friend .
AS they all h oller GOD IS LOVE and join hands with all religoins who also chant GOD IS LOVE
and watch how they treat a man who comes into their church who b rings the true gospel
and the words in that bible . THEY CAST that man out , just like they have cast the words of GOD OUT
in favor of a harlots love . OH yeah peter , THE DEVIL can deceive and he does decieve
and he can even use men in wool TO DO his work .

 

[amigo de christo]

There are 3 tenses to salvation that often get confused by those who teach salvation by faith AND WORKS.

1. We have been saved from the PENALTY of sin (justification - Romans 5:1) - one time event
2. We are being saved from the POWER of sin (ongoing sanctification - Philippians 2:12-13) - process
3. We will be saved from the PRESENCE of sin (glorification - 1 Corinthians 15:51-57) - process complete

NOT if we call GOD a liar .
And not if we thus try and play the tune of I BELIEVE and yet DO NOT BELEIVE .
Okay you might be wondering about that last sentence .
SO allow me to show us all what is gonna cost even many so called christians their very soul ON JESUS day
IF you , myself or any other who cliams to BELIEVE ON JESUS
join hands with A LIE , our belief IS VOID .
And here is a fat lie already being sold as love and even with a splash promise of peace n safety .
That all religoins are serving the same GOD a christain does
that are all coming to HIM in just different ways , BUT it the same God .
OH its the same god if they bleieve that mess , but notice i said god and NOT GOD .
Cause mailman dan . EITHER WE HAVE FAITH
WHICH MEANS WE BELIEVE GOD , WHICH MEANS WE BELIEVE HIS TESTIMONY on THE SON
or we dont . BUT IT cann ot be both .
YOU , me or any of us can try and play OH I believe but hey its not necessary for the false religoins
Cause they all follow the same God we do .
CANNOT preach , cannot cliam BOTH BELEIF and UNBELIEF , or all it ever was , WAS UNBELIF you BELIEVED .
I mean DO you BELIEVE we must BELEIVE ON CHRIST . GOOD SO DO I .
THAT IS WHY i know this lie is of anti christ , cause it allows them false religoins to remain IN UNBELIF
and to continuie to call GOD A LIAR and just says , OH ITS OKAY TO CALL GOD A LIAR .
sorry my friend but we cannot serve two masters . we simply cannot serve and believe the t ruth and a lie . its one or the other .
Remember that the next time you see a man getting called religous extremists
BY EVEN so called chrisetains , for simply preaching to an athiest and or any other religoin
of their dire need to REPENT and TO BELIEVE ON JESUS .
And if you find that fact hard to beleive . WHY JUST GO TAKEa peek at our own site .
I got called a religoius extrmeists by this inclusivian because i simply told an athieset of his dire need
to BELIEVE ON JESUS . and the incluvists sold him A LIE . yeah i would not heed the all inclusive god mailman dan .
Because if preaching the dire need to REPENT and BELIEVE ON JESUS is now being called religious extremist .
WHO DO YOU THINK they would have called A RELIGOIUS extremist had they been IN HIS DAY .
WHY JESUS and later the apostles . WE got serious problems in this house called christendom dan .

 

[mailmandan]

NOT if we call GOD a liar .
And not if we thus try and play the tune of I BELIEVE and yet DO NOT BELEIVE .
Okay you might be wondering about that last sentence .
SO allow me to show us all what is gonna cost even many so called christians their very soul ON JESUS day
IF you , myself or any other who cliams to BELIEVE ON JESUS
join hands with A LIE , our belief IS VOID .
And here is a fat lie already being sold as love and even with a splash promise of peace n safety .
That all religoins are serving the same GOD a christain does
that are all coming to HIM in just different ways , BUT it the same God .
OH its the same god if they bleieve that mess , but notice i said god and NOT GOD .
Cause mailman dan . EITHER WE HAVE FAITH
WHICH MEANS WE BELIEVE GOD , WHICH MEANS WE BELIEVE HIS TESTIMONY on THE SON
or we dont . BUT IT cann ot be both .
YOU , me or any of us can try and play OH I believe but hey its not necessary for the false religoins
Cause they all follow the same God we do .
CANNOT preach , cannot cliam BOTH BELEIF and UNBELIEF , or all it ever was , WAS UNBELIF you BELIEVED .
I mean DO you BELIEVE we must BELEIVE ON CHRIST . GOOD SO DO I .
THAT IS WHY i know this lie is of anti christ , cause it allows them false religoins to remain IN UNBELIF
and to continuie to call GOD A LIAR and just says , OH ITS OKAY TO CALL GOD A LIAR .
sorry my friend but we cannot serve two masters . we simply cannot serve and believe the t ruth and a lie . its one or the other .
Remember that the next time you see a man getting called religous extremists
BY EVEN so called chrisetains , for simply preaching to an athiest and or any other religoin
of their dire need to REPENT and TO BELIEVE ON JESUS .
And if you find that fact hard to beleive . WHY JUST GO TAKEa peek at our own site .
I got called a religoius extrmeists by this inclusivian because i simply told an athieset of his dire need
to BELIEVE ON JESUS . and the incluvists sold him A LIE . yeah i would not heed the all inclusive god mailman dan .
Because if preaching the dire need to REPENT and BELIEVE ON JESUS is now being called religious extremist .
WHO DO YOU THINK they would have called A RELIGOIUS extremist had they been IN HIS DAY .
WHY JESUS and later the apostles . WE got serious problems in this house called christendom dan .

There are genuine Christians, and there are "nominal" or pseudo Christians. There are genuine believers, and there are make believers.

 

[ScottA]

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Paul teaches Who will have all men to be saved, 1 Tm 2:4
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KJV old English confuses some people

Even Peter teaches not willing that any should perish, 2 Pt 3:9
...
Conclusion :-
1 Tim 2:4, 2 Pet 3:9
God desires, wants, would like etc etc all to be saved
Yet GOD >>KNOWS<< c/- foreknowledge that it wont happen
..
So AGAIN, where or when have I claimed that EVERYONE will be saved ?

It's because you are playing games. You (even here again) suggest 1) that there is a problem, 2) that whatever your gripe is, is supported in different places in scripture, 3) then you get asked what your point is, and 4) then you act like you have been accused and demand to know where and what you did.

Which is all on you. It's a pattern with you.

Just stop playing games...and it will go away.

 

[faithhopecharity]

no my friend, we are not under law. we are under grace.

you were saved when you recieved his gift. Or you remain unsaved because you reject his gift. or try to earn it yourself.

you will never meet Gods standard. so you can never save yourself no matter how good you are. or how good you think you are. you still fall short.

then why do we have to do it?

Jn 3:16 1 Jn 5:13 Perpetual faith
mt 3:8 2 cor 7:10 fruits of repentance
Jn 15:4 abide in Christ & bear fruit
Lk 3:9 bear fruit
Lk 1:75 acts 10:35 deeds of righteousness
phil 1:11 fruits of righteousness
mt 26:41 watch and pray
mk 24:48 watch and pray
Lk 21:36 Watch and pray, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
mt 7:7 ask and you shall receive
Lk 9:23 phil 1:29 daily, deny thyself, take up thy cross and follow me.
ps 23:3 leads in paths (deeds) of righteousness acts 10:35
mt 7:14 narrow road that leads to life
2 pet 3:18 grow in grace
heb 6:12 faith & patience
heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
rev 2:19 faith, patience, & works
rev 14:12 commandments, patience, & faith
mt 19:17 Jn 14:21 1 cor 7:19 1Jn 3:24 1 Jn 5:2-3 rev 12:17 keep the commandments
eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
mt 10:22 mk 13:13 mt 24:13 endure to the end in patient suffering
heb 6:15 after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.
rev 2:10 he who overcomes I shall give the crown of life!

Jude 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

Romans 2:7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
(eternal salvation)


thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

Each of those speaks of the "end"-- Who is the End?

Which I say not to be wise, but to note that yes, hiding in plain sight was the truth, yet not revealed until the times are fulfilled...just as it is concerning all things. The "end" is Christ, and also the Beginning--which is to say, the beginning of eternal life for those endure unto the end of themselves. Which is the Day of Christ Jesus, whether it was first when "He descended into the lower parts of the earth", or "Today" as he told the thief on the cross, or Pentecost, or that day any one of opened the door and He came into us--each is that "today" of the "End" and the "Beginning."

refers to our natural death!

mt 10

21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

thks

 

[amigo de christo]

There are genuine Christians, and there are "nominal" or pseudo Christians. There are genuine believers, and there are make believers.

yes indeed

 

[amigo de christo]

and what do you

There are genuine Christians, and there are "nominal" or pseudo Christians. There are genuine believers, and there are make believers.

suppose is the key fruit and sign that one is a nominal OR FALSE christain .
for many be the false , the sons and daughters , who sit and heed the wovles in wool .
What IS
i say What IS THE FRUIT of THE SPIRIT . i did not say fruits, i said FRUIT .
For even the devil can list as do his men the fruits of the Spirit and we both know HE does not have THE FRUIT of THE SPIRIT .
What is it about the SPIRIT and what is it ab out those who cliam to have it but clearly DO NOT have it .
Well seeing the SPIRIT IS TRUTH , IS the SPIRIT of GOD and of CHRIST
HOW MUCH YA BET IT TESTIFIES ONLY ON THE TRUTH .
Never on that which twists such truth unto its own destruction .
THIS is the SPIRIT of TRUTH . THIS IS the FRUIT of THE SPIRIT .
IN all goodness , righteousness and TRUTH
ALWAYS PR OVING that which is ACCEPTABLE TO GOD .
And guess what mail man dan IS NOT acceptable to GOD .
go on now take a guess .
SIN is NOT , LIES are NOT , and DENYING THE GOSPEL OF JESUS IS NOT acceptable to GOD .
GOD dont hold rainbows and say judge not
BUT THE DEVIL WILL .
GOD does not accept sin , BUT the devil will .
GOD does not accept lies or a lie , BUT the devil will .
And that ol serpent can SAY GOD IS LOVE , oh but by means of a harlots ecuemincal incluisive love
HE GONNA DECIEVE EVERY man and woman that sits under that .
Seeker friendly of the devil .
ITs love never corrected sin it only pandered to please man . and that , BE A FACT .

 

[amigo de christo]

but to many its the wrong love and wrong god they sat under mail man dan .
I am not the hater , i am not the pharisee , nor the religoius extremist the devil and his co workers accuse me of being .
MAY I SUGGEST , THEN PLEAD , THEN WARN , OPEN BIBLE and read for oneself and you and all will find
the very TRUTH that many now only twist and omit in favor of a harlots love . And that HO will cliam it as
the LOVE OF GOD . but the only love she speaks , cometh of her father the devil who darn sure can appear
as an angel of light . OH but if the light that be in one is darkness , THEN GREAT is that darkness mail man dan .
And great will be the WRATH OF GOD and of CHRIST upon all who bought it .

There are genuine Christians, and there are "nominal" or pseudo Christians. There are genuine believers, and there are make believers

 

[Eternally Grateful]

then why do we have to do it?

Jn 3:16 1 Jn 5:13 Perpetual faith
mt 3:8 2 cor 7:10 fruits of repentance
Jn 15:4 abide in Christ & bear fruit
Lk 3:9 bear fruit
Lk 1:75 acts 10:35 deeds of righteousness
phil 1:11 fruits of righteousness
mt 26:41 watch and pray
mk 24:48 watch and pray
Lk 21:36 Watch and pray, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
mt 7:7 ask and you shall receive
Lk 9:23 phil 1:29 daily, deny thyself, take up thy cross and follow me.
ps 23:3 leads in paths (deeds) of righteousness acts 10:35
mt 7:14 narrow road that leads to life
2 pet 3:18 grow in grace
heb 6:12 faith & patience
heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
rev 2:19 faith, patience, & works
rev 14:12 commandments, patience, & faith
mt 19:17 Jn 14:21 1 cor 7:19 1Jn 3:24 1 Jn 5:2-3 rev 12:17 keep the commandments
eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
mt 10:22 mk 13:13 mt 24:13 endure to the end in patient suffering
heb 6:15 after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.
rev 2:10 he who overcomes I shall give the crown of life!

Jude 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

Romans 2:7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
(eternal salvation)


thks

Your pointing to self way to much brother. Instead of patting yourself on the back. I would point to christ.

For by grace you have been saved, Through faith. Not of works.

Your works will not save you.. if you trust you works. and not God. you will fail

 

[ScottA]

refers to our natural death!

mt 10

21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

thks

And also spiritual death: that breath of would-be life that ends in death, the wages of sin.

The exception is the first resurrection, which comes to those born [again] of the spirit of God before natural death. Which is for works--not for salvation, that is finished--but for the equipping of the saints and spreading the good news of the gospel of Christ Jesus unto the gentiles.

 

[faithhopecharity]

Those terms are used, however the greater premise of salvation is new birth, a completely new creation "within you", rather than a conversion of any kind.

Therefore, we know that the one body, that born of flesh, is unto death--including that spirit first breathed into us giving us this temporal would-be life. While the new creation--that new spirit body within--is born of the spirit of God, and "cannot" sin or die.

So then, the soul would seem to waver between the two--but this too is would-be, or what only seems to be so--for that which is born of God is alive forevermore. Meaning, what may seem to be the new born creation growing and gaining over time, is rather the old body of flesh and that temporal spirit enduring the process of a slow death. Which we also know to be true--because it dies.

the initial grace of f justification received at baptism?

thks