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[The Gospel of Christ]

And where does scripture say that a day was not 24 hours? And why do you doubt that God is able to create all that He created in 24-hr increments? And ....why is it important enough to go back and forth about it? I simply believe God and that nothing is impossible with Him.

Before the fall, these animals were not eating meat. They were not predators. Death and chaos came in after the fall.

You just reversed the burden of proof.

I’m not claiming Genesis says, “These were definitely not 24-hour periods.”

You’re claiming yôm must mean exactly 24 hours.

So stop asking me: “Where does Scripture say it wasn’t 24 hours?”
Thats not an escape hatch.

The question is: Where does Scripture define each yôm in Genesis 1 as exactly 24 hours?

Nowhere.

And appealing to what God could do changes absolutely nothing.
Of course God could create the entire universe in six 24-hour periods.
He could create it in six seconds.

I could just turn your argument around and say:

“How dare you think it would take God six whole days to create everything! He could’ve done it all in six seconds, or a sixth of a second!” - As Yôm can even refer to less than a full 24-hour period depending on context.

You keep acting like the case is closed because your dumbed-down simplistic English KJV says:

Day.
Day.
Day.
Day.
Day.
Day.

And then you point at the repetition and say:

“SEE? DAY!”

But that proves nothing about the full meaning of the Hebrew yôm.
Your English Bible simplistically rendered yôm as “day.” (Which in my opinion is very unsettling)

You can't then turn around and use that English rendering as proof that yôm itself must mean exactly 24 hours.

That's circular reasoning.

Yôm gives you a Hebrew word with a broader range of meaning than one rigid 24-hour definition.
What you still haven't produced is the verse that says: YÔM = EXACTLY 24 HOURS.

Because Genesis never says it.

And the KJV does the same kind of flattening in Genesis 1:21.

The Hebrew gives you:

hattannînîm haggĕdolîm

The great tannînîm = great sea creatures, sea monsters, serpentine or dragon-like creatures.

The KJV hands you:

“great whales.”

Then generations grow up ignorantly assuming that the flattened English wording is the Hebrew itself.

It isn’t.

If Genesis were sitting in front of you as a Hebrew child 2,000 years ago as:

On yôm 1, this happened.
On yôm 2, this happened.
On yôm 3, this happened.

you'd already know and understand that yôm can mean an ordinary day or a broader, even indefinite span of time…

In that case you'd no longer shout:

“Day! Day! Day! Day!” and pretend the English word settled the Hebrew because you'd know thats not true in the slightest.

The problem is not whether God can create in 24 hours.

The problem is that you've taken one English translation choice, turned it into a Hebrew definition, and then called your assumption the Word of God.

If this happens with obvious words like yôm and tannînîm, imagine how many times readers have mistaken a single English rendering for the full meaning of the Hebrew or Greek underneath it. Genuinely unsettling

 

[David in NJ]

You just reversed the burden of proof.

I’m not claiming Genesis says, “These were definitely not 24-hour periods.”

You’re claiming yôm must mean exactly 24 hours.

So stop asking me: “Where does Scripture say it wasn’t 24 hours?”
Thats not an escape hatch.

The question is: Where does Scripture define each yôm in Genesis 1 as exactly 24 hours?

Nowhere.

And appealing to what God could do changes absolutely nothing.
Of course God could create the entire universe in six 24-hour periods.
He could create it in six seconds.

I could just turn your argument around and say:

“How dare you think it would take God six whole days to create everything! He could’ve done it all in six seconds, or a sixth of a second!” - As Yôm can even refer to less than a full 24-hour period depending on context.

You keep acting like the case is closed because your dumbed-down simplistic English KJV says:

Day.
Day.
Day.
Day.
Day.
Day.

And then you point at the repetition and say:

“SEE? DAY!”

But that proves nothing about the full meaning of the Hebrew yôm.
Your English Bible simplistically rendered yôm as “day.” (Which in my opinion is very unsettling)

You can't then turn around and use that English rendering as proof that yôm itself must mean exactly 24 hours.

That's circular reasoning.

Yôm gives you a Hebrew word with a broader range of meaning than one rigid 24-hour definition.
What you still haven't produced is the verse that says: YÔM = EXACTLY 24 HOURS.

Because Genesis never says it.

And the KJV does the same kind of flattening in Genesis 1:21.

The Hebrew gives you:

hattannînîm haggĕdolîm

The great tannînîm = great sea creatures, sea monsters, serpentine or dragon-like creatures.

The KJV hands you:

“great whales.”

Then generations grow up ignorantly assuming that the flattened English wording is the Hebrew itself.

It isn’t.

If Genesis were sitting in front of you as a Hebrew child 2,000 years ago as:

On yôm 1, this happened.
On yôm 2, this happened.
On yôm 3, this happened.

you'd already know and understand that yôm can mean an ordinary day or a broader, even indefinite span of time…

In that case you'd no longer shout:

“Day! Day! Day! Day!” and pretend the English word settled the Hebrew because you'd know thats not true in the slightest.

The problem is not whether God can create in 24 hours.

The problem is that you've taken one English translation choice, turned it into a Hebrew definition, and then called your assumption the Word of God.

If this happens with obvious words like yôm and tannînîm, imagine how many times readers have mistaken a single English rendering for the full meaning of the Hebrew or Greek underneath it. Genuinely unsettling

Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; 15and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. 16Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. 17God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good.
19So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

 

[TLHKAJ]

You just reversed the burden of proof.

I’m not claiming Genesis says, “These were definitely not 24-hour periods.”

You’re claiming yôm must mean exactly 24 hours.

So stop asking me: “Where does Scripture say it wasn’t 24 hours?”
Thats not an escape hatch.

The question is: Where does Scripture define each yôm in Genesis 1 as exactly 24 hours?

Nowhere.

And appealing to what God could do changes absolutely nothing.
Of course God could create the entire universe in six 24-hour periods.
He could create it in six seconds.

I could just turn your argument around and say:

“How dare you think it would take God six whole days to create everything! He could’ve done it all in six seconds, or a sixth of a second!” - As Yôm can even refer to less than a full 24-hour period depending on context.

You keep acting like the case is closed because your dumbed-down simplistic English KJV says:

Day.
Day.
Day.
Day.
Day.
Day.

And then you point at the repetition and say:

“SEE? DAY!”

But that proves nothing about the full meaning of the Hebrew yôm.
Your English Bible simplistically rendered yôm as “day.” (Which in my opinion is very unsettling)

You can't then turn around and use that English rendering as proof that yôm itself must mean exactly 24 hours.

That's circular reasoning.

Yôm gives you a Hebrew word with a broader range of meaning than one rigid 24-hour definition.
What you still haven't produced is the verse that says: YÔM = EXACTLY 24 HOURS.

Because Genesis never says it.

And the KJV does the same kind of flattening in Genesis 1:21.

The Hebrew gives you:

hattannînîm haggĕdolîm

The great tannînîm = great sea creatures, sea monsters, serpentine or dragon-like creatures.

The KJV hands you:

“great whales.”

Then generations grow up ignorantly assuming that the flattened English wording is the Hebrew itself.

It isn’t.

If Genesis were sitting in front of you as a Hebrew child 2,000 years ago as:

On yôm 1, this happened.
On yôm 2, this happened.
On yôm 3, this happened.

you'd already know and understand that yôm can mean an ordinary day or a broader, even indefinite span of time…

In that case you'd no longer shout:

“Day! Day! Day! Day!” and pretend the English word settled the Hebrew because you'd know thats not true in the slightest.

The problem is not whether God can create in 24 hours.

The problem is that you've taken one English translation choice, turned it into a Hebrew definition, and then called your assumption the Word of God.

If this happens with obvious words like yôm and tannînîm, imagine how many times readers have mistaken a single English rendering for the full meaning of the Hebrew or Greek underneath it. Genuinely unsettling

Brother, do you need a day to be longer than 24 hours? I'm wondering why you couldn't fathom Almighty, Omnipotent God couldn't have created all these things in a matter of a sequence of 6 days as we know it. He speaks and things happen.

For me, since He didn't state that the days were longer than 24 hours, the fact that He said "the evening and the morning were the first ....second.....third.........sixth day" .. that's enough for me. I can see what a day is by experience.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Brother, do you need a day to be longer than 24 hours? I'm wondering why you couldn't fathom Almighty, Omnipotent God couldn't have created all these things in a matter of a sequence of 6 days as we know it. He speaks and things happen.

Thats already been covered up above in detail. You must not be reading my comments all the way through.