Young rich ruler not saved, why ?

[Episkopos]

Nobody here is throwing out God's standards, except maybe some of the OSAS people.

What? You have invented almost all your standards...you know...calling things as you think they are...just like God does.

On the contrary, we affirm God's standards and know we can't possibly measure up to them in our own right and through our own efforts, apart from Him.

You claim to already have everything. That's why you continue to seek for them.

Forgiveness is being freed/loosed from the debt and dominion of sin. It is very much about freedom. You don't seem to understand forgiveness very well and even go so far as to say the cross is not about forgiveness.

Freedom to sin? No, the bible speaks of freedom FROM sin. So you got that wrong too. And the cross is about redemption of the whole world...and something to crucify the old sin nature with for believers.

It's as though you are robbing Peter to pay Paul (no pun intended). It is like you are robbing the foundations of the gospel in order to pay it all forward into the perfecting part of it, thus leaving no foundation behind.

It's like you are robbing the promises to the inner man to serve your corrupted nature. Instead realize what the power of the cross is for.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

When I said "we" I was being gracious. Since you don't understand what gracious is...I'll say "you lot".

So far in our brief conversations you have accused me of not being learned about salvation, being lawless, and not understanding what gracious is. How are you able to know all this without first checking with me to see if these are true about me?

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

You have invented almost all your standards...you know...calling things as you think they are...just like God does.

But you did that to me, calling things as you think they are. So why can't anyone do that to you?

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

Freedom to sin? No, the bible speaks of freedom FROM sin. So you got that wrong too.

She didn't say freedom to sin. She said what you said - freedom from sin:

Forgiveness is being freed/loosed from the debt and dominion of sin.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

You claim to already have everything.

If the Bible says we have all things, and it does, then we have all things.

1 Corinthians 3:21-22
21For all things belong to you, 22whether Paul or Apollos or [k]Cephas, or the world or life or death, or things present or things to come; all things belong to you

 

[Episkopos]

If the Bible says we have all things, and it does, then we have all things.

1 Corinthians 3:21-22
21For all things belong to you, 22whether Paul or Apollos or [k]Cephas, or the world or life or death, or things present or things to come; all things belong to you

But that is not speaking of you...but here is Jesus indeed speaking to you...


Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

...but here is Jesus indeed speaking to you...

Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

How can you possibly know this about me?

 

[Episkopos]

How can you possibly know this about me?

This forum is about judging the posts not the people. If a person posts like someone who has been recruited as a pew warmer...that stands out. There are many indicators on whether a person has had an actual connection to God...as we read in Acts. Most, naturally have no real connection to God. They have been indoctrinated into including themselves in the kingdom without ANY say so of God. All they have is the bible and their reading themselves into it in a self-congratulatory way. As a new member here the onus is on you to back up your statements with something that shows that you are something OTHER than a pew warmer or armchair theologian.

If I speak to you a certain way it is because all of the following are present.

1. You speak the party line based on the decoy gospel that God has permitted to sort out the chaff.
2. You fail to speak as someone who is called personally by God. No actual testimony.
3. You lack the humility of a true seeker that has a chance that God will intervene at any time soon.

If you have a book or a website/podcast that you think could help people to know your true motivation, please share.

 

[Lizbeth]

?????? How is that?

Some OSAS folks don't believe it is possible to fall away and be cut off due to sin.

 

[Lizbeth]

What? You have invented almost all your standards...you know...calling things as you think they are...just like God does.


You claim to already have everything. That's why you continue to seek for them.



Freedom to sin? No, the bible speaks of freedom FROM sin. So you got that wrong too. And the cross is about redemption of the whole world...and something to crucify the old sin nature with for believers.

It's like you are robbing the promises to the inner man to serve your corrupted nature. Instead realize what the power of the cross is for.

Still can't even begin to discuss holiness with you because you still have it all surrounded by false doctrines and limit the power of the cross to what you can see with your natural eyes. The thief on the cross sure found out what the power of the cross did for him, and he didn't have time to do anything but repent and believe.

And I have to say your disdain and arrogance against God's people is really appalling. Not what one would expect from a supposed man of God at all. I hope people reading your posts are taking note of all your spiritual abuse.

 

[Episkopos]

Still can't even begin to discuss holiness with you

You don't accept God's conditions, his instructions, or His warnings. Yours is a cautionary tale.

because you still have it all surrounded by false doctrines and limit the power of the cross to what you can see with your natural eyes.

That's exactly what you are doing. You will never move beyond the temporal world and carnal power until you humble yourself.

The thief on the cross sure found out what the power of the cross did for him,

No he didn't. The power of the cross for him was a physical death. The power of the cross for us is to be separated from the outer sinful nature that holds us hostage by thinking we need it.

And I have to say your disdain and arrogance against God's people is really appalling.

I am against only the imposters and pretenders. In so doing I am defending God's people against the lies and corruption brought about by the rebellious carnal nature being puffed up into assuming and presuming itself to be with God. Whereas God rejects such deviations.

Not what one would expect from a supposed man of God at all. I hope people reading your posts are taking note of all your spiritual abuse.

My spiritual rebuke is seen as abuse by the flesh. Remember how the demons screamed at Jesus for tormenting them before the time.

Well I'm warning people before they have to face up to their charade. All will be made known...nothing that is hidden will remain so. And people will be in SHOCK when they realize what they did with the eternal gospel. There will be HUGE disappointment (an understatement)...actually weeping and great anger.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

Jesus laid out what the young man needed. You can't judge what God expects from individuals.

What must I do to become like you and be able to judge what God expects from individuals?

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

They were not saints. They were righteous.

I see you are ignorant about what a saint is.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

Well I'm warning people before they have to face up to their charade.

Since you know me so well, even better than I do, what charade do I have? Be specific, please.

Should I have given all I had to the poor? Is that it?

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

Without the righteousness standard we make Christianity follow whatever standard we want...as we have done. Lawlessness.

What is the righteousness standard that is not lawlessness? Be specific.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

In your scheme no one could be deemed as righteous because all are sinners. But the bible says...there is no righteous, no not one that doesn't sin.

Then who are these 'naturally righteous' people you speak about?

There are the naturally righteous ones...like Abel.

Are you saying Abel is not included in "there is no righteous, no not one that doesn't sin?"

...the bible says...there is no righteous, no not one that doesn't sin.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

Even if they perfectly kept the Old Covenantal Mosaic Laws, only those who had faith in the promise of Messiah who was to come are eternally saved.

I submit to you that it is because they believe God's promise to Abraham of a seed that they kept God's commands blamelessly.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

Are you perfect as Jesus said the young man would be if he sold all and followed Him?

Have you sold all?

If you haven't then how can you be saved?

Using the example of selling all and giving to the poor, you said we can't judge what God expects from individuals. So why are you drilling me to see if I am perfect by selling all I have and giving it to the poor? Do you know something about me that I don't?

You can't judge what God expects from individuals.

 

[Episkopos]

Do you know something about me that I don't?

With all the endless posts and questions...maybe a little obsessive?

 

[CrowCross]

Some OSAS folks don't believe it is possible to fall away and be cut off due to sin.

Yes, they say you can't be snatched from the Fathers or Jesus hand. Well, actually they didn't say it Jesus did.

If you can lose your salvation you already have. That's not good for you.