Who does the Bible teach is Apostle to you & I ?

[sondring7]

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Overlapping ? Transitionary !!
Peter phasing OUT, Paul phasing IN
Now Paul till rapture

 

[Stumpmaster]

Now Paul till rapture

Oh yeah, like he says:
Eph 4:11-12 And He gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; (12) For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

 

[sondring7]

Oh yeah, like he says:
Eph 4:11-12 And He gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; (12) For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Gal 2 7-9
According to those verses, who is agreed & sent to teach you ?

 

[Stumpmaster]

Gal 2 7-9
According to those verses, who is agreed & sent to teach you ?

All Christians are ministers, and all have different gifts and callings, so the Biblical canon teaches:

2Ti 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (17) That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Apostles = Sent forth
Prophets = Speak forth
Evangelists = Call forth
Pastors = Care for
Teachers = Train

 

[sondring7]

All Christians are ministers, and all have different gifts and callings, so the Biblical canon teaches:

2Ti 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (17) That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Apostles = Sent forth
Prophets = Speak forth
Evangelists = Call forth
Pastors = Care for
Teachers = Train

.....All Christians are ministers, and all have different gifts and callings, so the Biblical canon teaches:
.....Apostles = Sent forth
Can self claimed modern day Apostles do everything the NT ones did ?
If yes, then they are Apostles.
If not then what are they ?

 

[JimKnox]

All Christians are ministers, and all have different gifts and callings, so the Biblical canon teaches:

2Ti 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (17) That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Apostles = Sent forth
Prophets = Speak forth
Evangelists = Call forth
Pastors = Care for
Teachers = Train

Acts ch 1: 20-22 gives us the BIBLICAL qualifications of an Apostle.
NOBODY today can fill that position BIBLICALLY.

 

[sondring7]

Acts ch 1: 20-22 gives us the BIBLICAL qualifications of an Apostle.
NOBODY today can fill that position BIBLICALLY.

Thank you Jim
That confirms that modern-day self proclaimed apostles are not apostles.
For those who claim to have special gifts today I have yet to see one who can or is willing to :-
Mark 16 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them

 

[Davy]

The original poster's ideas come from men's doctrines, specifically Darby's Dispensationalist theories which Bullinger expanded into Hyper-Dispensationalism, or Hyper-Grace. Even within their groups they debate when Christ's Church actually started, and they argue over the false idea that only Paul's Epistles are relevant to Christ's Church.

For the serious Bible student that has taken time to study their Bible, it should be easy that those type churches are listening to a 'crept in unaware' false one that has stirred up false doctrine among them to cause divisions.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ can be found in just about every Book of The Bible. That should remind the believer on Jesus Christ that God gave us the whole... Book to study and follow, and not start a whole separate religion.

 

[sondring7]

The original poster's ideas come from men's doctrines, specifically Darby's Dispensationalist theories which Bullinger expanded into Hyper-Dispensationalism, or Hyper-Grace. Even within their groups they debate when Christ's Church actually started, and they argue over the false idea that only Paul's Epistles are relevant to Christ's Church.

For the serious Bible student that has taken time to study their Bible, it should be easy that those type churches are listening to a 'crept in unaware' false one that has stirred up false doctrine among them to cause divisions.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ can be found in just about every Book of The Bible. That should remind the believer on Jesus Christ that God gave us the whole... Book to study and follow, and not start a whole separate religion.

Then what was the need for Paul ?
Jesus had 12 other Apostles so why bother with Paul at all ?

 

[JimKnox]

The original poster's ideas come from men's doctrines, specifically Darby's Dispensationalist theories which Bullinger expanded into Hyper-Dispensationalism, or Hyper-Grace. Even within their groups they debate when Christ's Church actually started, and they argue over the false idea that only Paul's Epistles are relevant to Christ's Church.

For the serious Bible student that has taken time to study their Bible, it should be easy that those type churches are listening to a 'crept in unaware' false one that has stirred up false doctrine among them to cause divisions.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ can be found in just about every Book of The Bible. That should remind the believer on Jesus Christ that God gave us the whole... Book to study and follow, and not start a whole separate religion.

Nearly everything in this post applies to the opponents of dispensation theology.

 

[Davy]

Then what was the need for Paul ?
Jesus had 12 other Apostles so why bother with Paul at all ?

Jesus told us, in Acts 9. He said Paul was His chosen vessel to preach The Gospel to 1.) the Gentiles, AND 2.) to kings, AND to 3.) the children of Israel.

Most Protestants (of which I am also), concentrate on Apostle Paul being sent to preach The Gospel to the Gentiles. But that is not entirely accurate per God's written Word. Paul also preached to both Jewish converts to Christ and to ten lost tribe Israelites, and that matter goes a lot deeper Biblically which most brethren are not taught in today's Churches.

How does Israel figure into Paul's preaching The Gospel to the children of Israel? Very deep because it requires knowing your Old Testament history about God's split of old Israel into two separate kingdoms and 'houses'. After the split of 1 Kings 11-13, only the northern kingdom of ten tribes under Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim are known as "Israel". The three tribe southern kingdom at Jerusalem-Judea was known as the "kingdom of Judah". That is where the terms "house of Israel" and "house of Judah" comes from.

God scattered the ten tribe "house of Israel" first out of the holy land. Biblical historians and archaeologists have traced their migrations into Asia Minor and Europe. So where did Apostle Paul wind up as prisoner in his own house, yet allowed to preach The Gospel to all who came there? In Rome, when Rome was still following paganism. Paul in 2 Timothy 4 mentions Claudia, Pudens, and Linus all in the same sentence. If you are familiar with the Roman historians, Pudens was a Roman soldier assigned in Britain and married Claudia who was a Christian. This when Rome was still pagan. Linus had became the first bishop of Rome. The Romans had at one time captured the king of the Bretons and brought him and his royal family to Rome, and built the Palatium Britannicum house for them in Rome. It became the first Christian Church above ground in Rome.

Paul also said he planned to visit the brethren in Spain. Why Spain? Because in the old city of Zaragossa (fortress of Zarah), the Milesian royal family involved one who migrated to ancient Ireland (Romans called Scotia), and was anointed king over the Lia Fial stone, which began the king line from the Milesians in ancient Ireland, and would then migrate to ancient Alba, which became known as Scotland, and the line continued with the Scottish kings, and even later with England's royal family (this is why princess Diana had an Irish flag symbol with a harp spread over her casket). Thus Apostle Paul was not involved only with the Gentiles, but with lost Israel too that was scattered among... the Gentiles.

Of course Satan's children do all they can to hide this ancient history about Europe, because it proves that what God said He would do comes to pass.

 

[Davy]

Nearly everything in this post applies to the opponents of dispensation theology.

What kind of confused statement is that?

Dispensationalism, which is a term used for John Nelson Darby's particular brand of dispensation theory, is connected to his preaching of a false pre-trib rapture theory.

Bullinger, bless his soul because he was actually an excellent Bible scholar, took Darby's theories farther in the 1880's and created the Hyper-Dispensationalist movement.

Those movements are from doctrines of men, and not The Bible. So it's easy to look them up and compare them to what God's written Word actually says. This is not a game.

 

[sondring7]

Jesus told us, in Acts 9. He said Paul was His chosen vessel to preach The Gospel to 1.) the Gentiles, AND 2.) to kings, AND to 3.) the children of Israel.

Most Protestants (of which I am also), concentrate on Apostle Paul being sent to preach The Gospel to the Gentiles. But that is not entirely accurate per God's written Word. Paul also preached to both Jewish converts to Christ and to ten lost tribe Israelites, and that matter goes a lot deeper Biblically which most brethren are not taught in today's Churches.

How does Israel figure into Paul's preaching The Gospel to the children of Israel? Very deep because it requires knowing your Old Testament history about God's split of old Israel into two separate kingdoms and 'houses'. After the split of 1 Kings 11-13, only the northern kingdom of ten tribes under Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim are known as "Israel". The three tribe southern kingdom at Jerusalem-Judea was known as the "kingdom of Judah". That is where the terms "house of Israel" and "house of Judah" comes from.

God scattered the ten tribe "house of Israel" first out of the holy land. Biblical historians and archaeologists have traced their migrations into Asia Minor and Europe. So where did Apostle Paul wind up as prisoner in his own house, yet allowed to preach The Gospel to all who came there? In Rome, when Rome was still following paganism. Paul in 2 Timothy 4 mentions Claudia, Pudens, and Linus all in the same sentence. If you are familiar with the Roman historians, Pudens was a Roman soldier assigned in Britain and married Claudia who was a Christian. This when Rome was still pagan. Linus had became the first bishop of Rome. The Romans had at one time captured the king of the Bretons and brought him and his royal family to Rome, and built the Palatium Britannicum house for them in Rome. It became the first Christian Church above ground in Rome.

Paul also said he planned to visit the brethren in Spain. Why Spain? Because in the old city of Zaragossa (fortress of Zarah), the Milesian royal family involved one who migrated to ancient Ireland (Romans called Scotia), and was anointed king over the Lia Fial stone, which began the king line from the Milesians in ancient Ireland, and would then migrate to ancient Alba, which became known as Scotland, and the line continued with the Scottish kings, and even later with England's royal family (this is why princess Diana had an Irish flag symbol with a harp spread over her casket). Thus Apostle Paul was not involved only with the Gentiles, but with lost Israel too that was scattered among... the Gentiles.

Of course Satan's children do all they can to hide this ancient history about Europe, because it proves that what God said He would do comes to pass.

++++Jesus told us, in Acts 9. He said Paul was His chosen vessel.....
Now who does Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16, Gal 2.7-9, Eph 3:8, 1 Tim 2.7 teach is Apostle to you ? :)

 

[Fathom]

There is one apostle and high priest that was resurrected.

Hebrew 3:1
Therefore, holy brothers and sisters, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus, whom we acknowledge as our apostle and high priest.

 

[Taken]

Who does the Bible teach is Apostle to you & I ?​

Apostle? Paul.

Beneficial Ancient, Historical, Future Knowledge? All Scripture.

Understanding of Scriptural Knowledge?
Lord God.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[sondring7]

There is one apostle and high priest that was resurrected.

Hebrew 3:1
Therefore, holy brothers and sisters, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus, whom we acknowledge as our apostle and high priest.

According to Gal 2.7-9 who is Apostle to Fathom ?

 

[David Lamb]

++++Jesus told us, in Acts 9. He said Paul was His chosen vessel.....
Now who does Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16, Gal 2.7-9, Eph 3:8, 1 Tim 2.7 teach is Apostle to you ? :)

But none of those verses teach that Paul would continue to be an apostle to Gentiles after his death. Besides, the so-called "Great Commission" to go into all the world and preach the gospel was given by Jesus to all the apostles.

 

[sondring7]

But none of those verses teach that Paul would continue to be an apostle to Gentiles after his death. Besides, the so-called "Great Commission" to go into all the world and preach the gospel was given by Jesus to all the apostles.

Then the same applies to the 12
So of those 13 whose teachings teach how David enters Heaven ?
The lineage of the 12 or the line of Paul ?

 

[Fathom]

According to Gal 2.7-9 who is Apostle to Fathom ?

According to Galatians 2, when saul met the highly esteemed leaders, they immediately recognized Paul as a genuine apostle, specifically chosen to minister to the Gentiles.

 

[sondring7]

According to Galatians 2, when saul met the highly esteemed leaders, they immediately recognized Paul as a genuine apostle, specifically chosen to minister to the Gentiles.

As does Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16, Eph 3.8,
Based on those verses inc Gal 2.7-9 who is the Apostle to Fathom ?