Who does the Bible teach is Apostle to you & I ?

[David Lamb]

Then the same applies to the 12
So of those 13 whose teachings teach how David enters Heaven ?
The lineage of the 12 or the line of Paul ?

Any of them who were involved as the human "penmen" of the Scriptures, and any of them whose preaching or teaching is recorded in the Bible. For example, John wrote about the necessity of being born again, and of believing in Jesus Christ. There is not some different way for me as a Gentile to enter heaven than the way a Jew enters heaven.

 

[sondring7]

Any of them who were involved as the human "penmen" of the Scriptures, and any of them whose preaching or teaching is recorded in the Bible. For example, John wrote about the necessity of being born again, and of believing in Jesus Christ. There is not some different way for me as a Gentile to enter heaven than the way a Jew enters heaven.

Then what was the need for Paul since Jesus already had the 12 to teach everyone ?
Or is there something you refuse to understand ?
Please do some study before responding to me again

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[David Lamb]

Then what was the need for Paul since Jesus already had the 12 to teach everyone ?
Or is there something you refuse to understand ?

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The Bible tells us that Paul had the God-given task of taking the gospel beyond the bounds of Israel. For example, we read:

Act 13:1 Now in the church that was at Antioch there were certain prophets and teachers: Barnabas, Simeon who was called Niger, Lucius of Cyrene, Manaen who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.
Act 13:2 As they ministered to the Lord and fasted, the Holy Spirit said, "Now separate to Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them."
Act 13:3 Then, having fasted and prayed, and laid hands on them, they sent them away.
Act 13:4 So, being sent out by the Holy Spirit, they went down to Seleucia, and from there they sailed to Cyprus.

Paul also went to Corinth, Rome and many other Gentile places. Peter also sometimes preached the gospel to Gentiles, as he did with Cornelius and his household.

But That doesn't mean that Paul was appointed to be the only apostle whose words are important for Gentiles in 2026, or indeed that he in any way continued his work as an apostle after he died and went to heaven.

 

[Behold]

Was there agreement between all the Apostles as to who has that sole role ?

The Apostle Paul is our Teacher, and the Holy Spirit is the revealer of Paul's "Doctrine".

Jesus gave Him all the "church doctrine".
Paul was Specifically called and assigned to this magnificent ministry.
So, if you are born again into the "body of Christ" then Paul is your Apostle and your NT Teacher.

And Reader, if you are listening to, or under the influence of a so called "scholar" or "bible teacher" or "Apostle" and they have no idea about what im showing you regarding PAUL's Teaching, then RUN.........get AWAY from them and any Church that is clueless about Paul.

This is why Paul wrote most of the Epistles as found in a New Testament.
This is why Paul states that the "Gospel" of the Grace of God <<<< that you will find as "the ministry of Reconciliation" 1 Cor 5:19.... is defined by Paul himself as : 'MY Gospel" 3x in the NT.
And any other Gospel is : Galatians 1:8........"cursed".

 

[JimKnox]

The Apostle Paul is our Teacher, and the Holy Spirit is the revealer of Paul's "Doctrine".

Jesus gave Him all the "church doctrine".
Paul was Specifically called and assigned to this magnificent ministry.
So, if you are born again into the "body of Christ" then Paul is your Apostle and your NT Teacher.

And Reader, if you are listening to, or under the influence of a so called "scholar" or "bible teacher" or "Apostle" and they have no idea about what im showing you regarding PAUL's Teaching, then RUN.........get AWAY from them and any Church that is clueless about Paul.

This is why Paul wrote most of the Epistles as found in a New Testament.
This is why Paul states that the "Gospel" of the Grace of God <<<< that you will find as "the ministry of Reconciliation" 1 Cor 5:19.... is defined by Paul himself as : 'MY Gospel" 3x in the NT.
And any other Gospel is : Galatians 1:8........"cursed".

What you seem to be describing is Bullingerism, otherwise known as hyperdispensationalism.

 

[sondring7]

The Apostle Paul is our Teacher, and the Holy Spirit is the revealer of Paul's "Doctrine".

Jesus gave Him all the "church doctrine".
Paul was Specifically called and assigned to this magnificent ministry.
So, if you are born again into the "body of Christ" then Paul is your Apostle and your NT Teacher.

And Reader, if you are listening to, or under the influence of a so called "scholar" or "bible teacher" or "Apostle" and they have no idea about what im showing you regarding PAUL's Teaching, then RUN.........get AWAY from them and any Church that is clueless about Paul.

This is why Paul wrote most of the Epistles as found in a New Testament.
This is why Paul states that the "Gospel" of the Grace of God <<<< that you will find as "the ministry of Reconciliation" 1 Cor 5:19.... is defined by Paul himself as : 'MY Gospel" 3x in the NT.
And any other Gospel is : Galatians 1:8........"cursed".

EXCELLENT STUFF Behold, you are one of a rare few who correctly understand the Christ given role of Paul to you & I today.

 

[Episkopos]

The Apostle Paul is our Teacher, and the Holy Spirit is the revealer of Paul's "Doctrine".

Jesus gave Him all the "church doctrine".
Paul was Specifically called and assigned to this magnificent ministry.
So, if you are born again into the "body of Christ" then Paul is your Apostle and your NT Teacher.

And Reader, if you are listening to, or under the influence of a so called "scholar" or "bible teacher" or "Apostle" and they have no idea about what im showing you regarding PAUL's Teaching, then RUN.........get AWAY from them and any Church that is clueless about Paul.

This is why Paul wrote most of the Epistles as found in a New Testament.
This is why Paul states that the "Gospel" of the Grace of God <<<< that you will find as "the ministry of Reconciliation" 1 Cor 5:19.... is defined by Paul himself as : 'MY Gospel" 3x in the NT.
And any other Gospel is : Galatians 1:8........"cursed".

So the gospel that Jesus preached is cursed?

 

[Episkopos]

EXCELLENT STUFF Behold, you are one of a rare few who correctly understand the Christ given role of Paul to you & I today.

The meeting of the hyper-dispensational mind...which is full on heresy. Here is the gospel for actual believers in Christ...



PAUL SAID..........If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 1 Tim 6:3-4

 

[Lizbeth]

It's a very controversial issue for some,there are those who claim only one is then others state they all apply today.
I believe that all the Apostles have teachings that we should take notice of but which one has the sole role to teach me how to enter the happy life eternal ?
Did Jesus pick a particular one ?
Was there agreement between all the Apostles as to who has that sole role ?
The Bible will answer that question with the verses you provide.
Any takers ?

Couple of things I believe we need to keep in mind. One is that gifts and callings are given without repentance....which means just because one has a particular gift or calling is no guarantee they are not in sin, or have erroneous beliefs. So we are always to test everything.

The other is that there is to be no schism in the body............no clergy/laity division, as that is from the flesh, it is a way of the world and man, not of God. We need to be in the simplicity of Christ. There is a whole body and every member/part has been given gifts and all are needed for the whole body to edify ITSELF in love.

 

[Davy]

++++Jesus told us, in Acts 9. He said Paul was His chosen vessel.....
Now who does Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16, Gal 2.7-9, Eph 3:8, 1 Tim 2.7 teach is Apostle to you ? :)

Nah... no thanks, I don't do men's doctrines that try to create a DUAL Gospel. There is only ONE Gospel of Jesus Christ, and Paul preached the SAME Gospel as the other Apostles did.

 

[Fathom]

The Apostle Paul is our Teacher, and the Holy Spirit is the revealer of Paul's "Doctrine".

Jesus gave Him all the "church doctrine".
Paul was Specifically called and assigned to this magnificent ministry.
So, if you are born again into the "body of Christ" then Paul is your Apostle and your NT Teacher.

And Reader, if you are listening to, or under the influence of a so called "scholar" or "bible teacher" or "Apostle" and they have no idea about what im showing you regarding PAUL's Teaching, then RUN.........get AWAY from them and any Church that is clueless about Paul.

This is why Paul wrote most of the Epistles as found in a New Testament.
This is why Paul states that the "Gospel" of the Grace of God <<<< that you will find as "the ministry of Reconciliation" 1 Cor 5:19.... is defined by Paul himself as : 'MY Gospel" 3x in the NT.
And any other Gospel is : Galatians 1:8........"cursed".

Behold a thorn in the flesh.

 

[JimKnox]

Couple of things I believe we need to keep in mind. One is that gifts and callings are given without repentance....which means just because one has a particular gift or calling is no guarantee they are not in sin, or have erroneous beliefs. So we are always to test everything.

The other is that there is to be no schism in the body............no clergy/laity division, as that is from the flesh, it is a way of the world and man, not of God. We need to be in the simplicity of Christ. There is a whole body and every member/part has been given gifts and all are needed for the whole body to edify ITSELF in lolove

Apparently your Bible doesn't have 1&2 Timothy nor Titus?
Sure looks like there is a DIFFERENCE between Pastors and pew Sitters.
Yet you say it is not of God?
Perhaps you could amend your statement.

 

[sondring7]

Nah... no thanks, I don't do men's doctrines that try to create a DUAL Gospel. There is only ONE Gospel of Jesus Christ, and Paul preached the SAME Gospel as the other Apostles did.

And those verses teach who is Apostle to Davy ?
Take your time :)

++++Jesus told us, in Acts 9. He said Paul was His chosen vessel.....
Now who does Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16, Gal 2.7-9, Eph 3:8, 1 Tim 2.7 teach is Apostle to you ? :)

 

[Davy]

And those verses teach who is Apostle to Davy ?
Take your time :)

++++Jesus told us, in Acts 9. He said Paul was His chosen vessel.....
Now who does Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16, Gal 2.7-9, Eph 3:8, 1 Tim 2.7 teach is Apostle to you ? :)

I already answered you, but do you want to be embarrassed for your error of interpretation of those Scriptures? Fine, then.

Romans 11:3 -- one-verse-pickers don't know much.

Rom 11:1-11
1 I say then, Hath God cast away His people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away His people which He foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
3 "Lord, they have killed Thy prophets, and digged down Thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life."
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? "I have reserved to Myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal."

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Paul's whole subject begins about God's chosen seed of Israel, how that God has not... cast them away. Those who try to teach that it's all over for the unbelieving Jews today error greatly in God's Word.

Even in Elias' day, God had preserved a remnant of His chosen seed of Israel. And that election has remained even to this day. And Paul is talking about Jewish brethren in Christ.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Paul's commission was to expand... God's election of grace to the believing Gentiles, but ALSO... to preach it to kings, and to the children of Israel (Acts 9 parts you left out).

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumbling block, and a recompence unto them:
10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

The majority of the seed of Israel have been spiritually 'blinded' by God away from The Gospel so The Gospel would go to the Gentiles also. But later here, Paul remarks how one day God is going to remove that spiritual blindness from Paul's unbelieving brethren of the Jews.

12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

Paul's subject is how HE IS ABLE TO GRAFF THE UNBELIEVING JEWS BACK INTO THEIR NATURAL BRANCHES (i.e., His original choosing of the seed of Israel).


25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

When the fulness of the Gentiles is complete (at the end of this world), that... is when God is going to REMOVE that blindness He put upon the majority of the seed of Israel.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is My covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

That... has NOT happened yet. The blindness upon them has NOT yet been removed today. When it is, THEN they will understand The Gospel and hear with ears to hear, and eyes to see, and BELIEVE on Jesus Christ as The Savior. Prophecy about that time when they see Christ at the end even reveals how the unbelieving Jews will feel shame for having rejected Him.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

They were chosen by God, and His gifts and calling is without repentance. He is not going to go back on what He promised them.

30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
KJV

Thus through THEIR UNBELIEF, we Gentiles have received The Gospel of Jesus Christ. Lord Jesus was rejected first at Jerusalem by the majority of the Jews, but God had blinded them, and STILL has not forgotten them.

Does that sound like Paul only preached The Gospel to Gentiles? No, Paul included... a remnant of Israel he called the 'remnant according to the election of grace.!

 

[Davy]

And those verses teach who is Apostle to Davy ?
Take your time :)

++++Jesus told us, in Acts 9. He said Paul was His chosen vessel.....
Now who does Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16, Gal 2.7-9, Eph 3:8, 1 Tim 2.7 teach is Apostle to you ? :)

Romans 15:16 -- again one-verse-parrots understand little.

The question here should be, did Paul also have connection with his Jewish brethren at Jerusalem that believed The Gospel? Did Paul also work with them in The Gospel?

Rom 15:15-26
15 Nevertheless, brethren, I have written the more boldly unto you in some sort, as putting you in mind, because of the grace that is given to me of God,
16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.
17 I have therefore whereof I may glory through Jesus Christ in those things which pertain to God.
18 For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ hath not wrought by me, to make the Gentiles obedient, by word and deed,
19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.

Did you not know that Apostle Paul preached The Gospel to Jews, and IN JERUSALEM ALSO? (Acts 9:26-28; Acts 13:14-52; Acts 14:1; Acts 17:10-12, etc.).


20 Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation:
21 But as it is written, 'To whom he was not spoken of, they shall see: and they that have not heard shall understand.'
22 For which cause also I have been much hindered from coming to you.
23 But now having no more place in these parts, and having a great desire these many years to come unto you;
24 Whensoever I take my journey into Spain, I will come to you: for I trust to see you in my journey, and to be brought on my way thitherward by you, if first I be somewhat filled with your company.
25 But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints.
26 For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.
KJV

Paul still kept connections to the Church at Jerusalem that were of the first disciples of Christ. If Paul had a different Gospel, keeping that connection with the believing Jews at Jerusalem would have been impossible.

 

[Episkopos]

Romans 15:16 -- again one-verse-parrots understand little.

The question here should be, did Paul also have connection with his Jewish brethren at Jerusalem that believed The Gospel? Did Paul also work with them in The Gospel?

Rom 15:15-26
15 Nevertheless, brethren, I have written the more boldly unto you in some sort, as putting you in mind, because of the grace that is given to me of God,
16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.
17 I have therefore whereof I may glory through Jesus Christ in those things which pertain to God.
18 For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ hath not wrought by me, to make the Gentiles obedient, by word and deed,
19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.

Did you not know that Apostle Paul preached The Gospel to Jews, and IN JERUSALEM ALSO? (Acts 9:26-28; Acts 13:14-52; Acts 14:1; Acts 17:10-12, etc.).


20 Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation:
21 But as it is written, 'To whom he was not spoken of, they shall see: and they that have not heard shall understand.'
22 For which cause also I have been much hindered from coming to you.
23 But now having no more place in these parts, and having a great desire these many years to come unto you;
24 Whensoever I take my journey into Spain, I will come to you: for I trust to see you in my journey, and to be brought on my way thitherward by you, if first I be somewhat filled with your company.
25 But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints.
26 For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.
KJV

Paul still kept connections to the Church at Jerusalem that were of the first disciples of Christ. If Paul had a different Gospel, keeping that connection with the believing Jews at Jerusalem would have been impossible.

And Paul would have condemned the gospel of Peter and other apostles....and the very gospel that Jesus preached...as anathema, thereby making Paul the only arbiter of truth...which of course is so preposterous that it will definitely catch on with the unlearned and dishonest ones.

 

[sondring7]

Romans 15:16 -- again one-verse-parrots understand little.

The question here should be, did Paul also have connection with his Jewish brethren at Jerusalem that believed The Gospel? Did Paul also work with them in The Gospel?

Rom 15:15-26
15 Nevertheless, brethren, I have written the more boldly unto you in some sort, as putting you in mind, because of the grace that is given to me of God,
16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.
17 I have therefore whereof I may glory through Jesus Christ in those things which pertain to God.
18 For I will not dare to speak of any of those things which Christ hath not wrought by me, to make the Gentiles obedient, by word and deed,
19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.

Did you not know that Apostle Paul preached The Gospel to Jews, and IN JERUSALEM ALSO? (Acts 9:26-28; Acts 13:14-52; Acts 14:1; Acts 17:10-12, etc.).


20 Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation:
21 But as it is written, 'To whom he was not spoken of, they shall see: and they that have not heard shall understand.'
22 For which cause also I have been much hindered from coming to you.
23 But now having no more place in these parts, and having a great desire these many years to come unto you;
24 Whensoever I take my journey into Spain, I will come to you: for I trust to see you in my journey, and to be brought on my way thitherward by you, if first I be somewhat filled with your company.
25 But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints.
26 For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.
KJV

Paul still kept connections to the Church at Jerusalem that were of the first disciples of Christ. If Paul had a different Gospel, keeping that connection with the believing Jews at Jerusalem would have been impossible.

++++Jesus told us, in Acts 9. He said Paul was His chosen vessel.....
Now who does Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16, Gal 2.7-9, Eph 3:8, 1 Tim 2.7 teach is Apostle to you ? :)

So who do those verses teach is Apostle to you ?

 

[Episkopos]

++++Jesus told us, in Acts 9. He said Paul was His chosen vessel.....
Now who does Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16, Gal 2.7-9, Eph 3:8, 1 Tim 2.7 teach is Apostle to you ? :)

So who do those verses teach is Apostle to you ?

I think people get confused between Paul and his evil twin sister Pauline. The Pauline gospel is what Paul warns us against...since it goes contrary to what Jesus and Paul preached. Both Paul and Jesus preached the gospel of the kingdom.

 

[sondring7]

I think people get confused between Paul and his evil twin sister Pauline. The Pauline gospel is what Paul warns us against...since it goes contrary to what Jesus and Paul preached. Both Paul and Jesus preached the gospel of the kingdom.

+++The Pauline gospel is what Paul warns us against
Verses please

 

[David Lamb]

I think people get confused between Paul and his evil twin sister Pauline. The Pauline gospel is what Paul warns us against...since it goes contrary to what Jesus and Paul preached. Both Paul and Jesus preached the gospel of the kingdom.

If you take that view, it becomes really confusing, because "pauline", as well as being a name when it has a capital P, is also an adjective. When somebody writes or speaks of "the pauline epistles", they mean the epistles written by Paul.