WATER BAPTISM CAUSES DIVISIONS
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amigo de christo
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Atheism . Speaking of that
did you know because of inclusivism that even now many no longer , In the church , even think its necessary
TO preach the dire need to beleive on JESUS to an atheist , or any other false religion .
And why .
Because they do not beleive its necessary TO HAVE to believe on JESUS . And yet all the while
they cliam they do .
And you would be shocked if you knew what else they beleive .
THEY told us a long long time ago but many were not paying attention .
THEY said the number one , not two not three , but one OBSTACLE IN THE WAY OF world peace IS biblical christanity .
As well as the false religoins . but christianity was given the number one spot .
SO, you see , they not only believe its not necessary to have to BELEIVE on JESUS
they see the gospel as religious extremism that is in the way of world peace .
As they do all fundamental core teachings of all the religoins .
ITS WHY the removed them and sold a love in the place of them .
They kept removing more and more key doctrines by means of phrases like
doctrines divide , we just need to love and find co mmon ground .
THEY DID IT IN ALL of t he religions .
And convinced many within them that we are all serving the same God .
Again on a political view THIS IS communism .
break down , liquify , reshape . but truly on the spriitual level
it was the devil and that which is of the darkness
simply making ready all religoins to include christendom itself
to become one peoples with one common mission . And that mission WOULD BE OF THE BEAST .
Grailhunter
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There are Christians that have strange beliefs, there are Christians that have strong beliefs in false beliefs. And there are Christians that have a dark heart and would like to lead people astray.
The scriptures say to believe in Yeshua and repent, be baptized, and participate in the Bread and Wine ritual and live a moral life.
If you do not do that, don't expect to go to Heaven. Pack the barbeque sauce in you coffin because you are going to need it. Sizzle! Sissle!
Why do you call Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? Luke 6:46
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ Matthew 7:21-23
And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:38
If you do not participate in the Bread and Wine ritual, there is no life in you and Yeshua will not raise you on the last day.
33 For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” 34 They said to him, “Sir, give us this bread always.”
35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. 41 So the Jews grumbled about him, because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.” 42 They said, “Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does he now say, ‘I have come down from heaven’?” 43 Jesus answered them, “Do not grumble among yourselves. 44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me— 46 not that anyone has seen the Father except he who is from God; he has seen the Father. 47 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. 50 This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.” 52 The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. 55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever feeds on me, he also will live because of me.
58 This is the bread that came down from heaven, not like the bread[c] the fathers ate, and died. Whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” 59 Jesus[d] said these things in the synagogue, as he taught at Capernaum. 60 When many of his disciples heard it, they said, “This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?” 61 But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples were grumbling about this, said to them, “Do you take offense at this? 62 Then what if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” (For Jesus knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.) 65 And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.” 66 After this many of his disciples turned back and no longer walked with him. 67 So Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you want to go away as well?” 68 Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life, 69 and we have believed, and have come to know, that you are the Holy One of God.” 70 Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve? And yet one of you is a devil.” 71 He spoke of Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he, one of the twelve, was going to betray him.
Then you have the parable of the Sheep and the Goats...Matthew 25:31:46 Those that did not help those in need went to Hell. Can you be a Christian and not help those in need? I think not. Whatever you did, did not change you....Hell bound you are.
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. 2nd Corinthians 5:10
The scriptures say to believe in Yeshua and repent, be baptized, and participate in the Bread and Wine ritual and live a moral life.
If you do not do that, don't expect to go to Heaven. Pack the barbeque sauce in you coffin because you are going to need it. Sizzle! Sissle!
Why do you call Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? Luke 6:46
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ Matthew 7:21-23
And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:38
If you do not participate in the Bread and Wine ritual, there is no life in you and Yeshua will not raise you on the last day.
33 For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” 34 They said to him, “Sir, give us this bread always.”
35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. 41 So the Jews grumbled about him, because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.” 42 They said, “Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How does he now say, ‘I have come down from heaven’?” 43 Jesus answered them, “Do not grumble among yourselves. 44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me— 46 not that anyone has seen the Father except he who is from God; he has seen the Father. 47 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. 50 This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.” 52 The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. 55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever feeds on me, he also will live because of me.
58 This is the bread that came down from heaven, not like the bread[c] the fathers ate, and died. Whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” 59 Jesus[d] said these things in the synagogue, as he taught at Capernaum. 60 When many of his disciples heard it, they said, “This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?” 61 But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples were grumbling about this, said to them, “Do you take offense at this? 62 Then what if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” (For Jesus knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.) 65 And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.” 66 After this many of his disciples turned back and no longer walked with him. 67 So Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you want to go away as well?” 68 Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life, 69 and we have believed, and have come to know, that you are the Holy One of God.” 70 Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve? And yet one of you is a devil.” 71 He spoke of Judas the son of Simon Iscariot, for he, one of the twelve, was going to betray him.
Then you have the parable of the Sheep and the Goats...Matthew 25:31:46 Those that did not help those in need went to Hell. Can you be a Christian and not help those in need? I think not. Whatever you did, did not change you....Hell bound you are.
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. 2nd Corinthians 5:10
Grailhunter
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Now on water baptism.....baptism goes back a long ways and it is always associated with water.
The Jews had ritual baths called baptism for cleansing of the body. But this had nothing to do with the forgiveness of sins or saving souls. If you are a supposed Christian and think that a Christian baptism is just for washing the body and for show. Then the miracle of Baptism is of no effect for you, you are not saved, and you are going to Hell.
John the Baptist, baptized people in the river Jordon for the remission of sins. And he also baptized Christ.
The Christian baptism is emersion in water and associated with the concept of Born Again. Meaning the person that come up out of the water is a new person as far as God is concerned and no past sins are remembered. If you do not believe this, you come up out of the water wet and waiting for Hell.
Of course going to Hell is Yeshua's judgment. Maybe He will be sympathetic for the stupid?
Can you go to Heaven without.....
Believing that Yeshua saves, is a God, the Son of God, and the Savior of the world.
Repent
Be baptized
Participate in the Bread and Wine Ritual.
Helping those in need.....
If you decide not to do this or believe in this, send us a postcard from Hell and tell us how hot it is.
The Jews had ritual baths called baptism for cleansing of the body. But this had nothing to do with the forgiveness of sins or saving souls. If you are a supposed Christian and think that a Christian baptism is just for washing the body and for show. Then the miracle of Baptism is of no effect for you, you are not saved, and you are going to Hell.
John the Baptist, baptized people in the river Jordon for the remission of sins. And he also baptized Christ.
The Christian baptism is emersion in water and associated with the concept of Born Again. Meaning the person that come up out of the water is a new person as far as God is concerned and no past sins are remembered. If you do not believe this, you come up out of the water wet and waiting for Hell.
Of course going to Hell is Yeshua's judgment. Maybe He will be sympathetic for the stupid?
Can you go to Heaven without.....
Believing that Yeshua saves, is a God, the Son of God, and the Savior of the world.
Repent
Be baptized
Participate in the Bread and Wine Ritual.
Helping those in need.....
If you decide not to do this or believe in this, send us a postcard from Hell and tell us how hot it is.
I don't go to any church anymore. It's been a while now.
But my question would be:
How would I know I'm in one of the ecumenical churches you speak of?
Sounds pretty scary.
Sounds pretty demanding.
No wonder some believe in OSAS...
it gives assurance...even if it's a false assurance.
amigo de christo
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number one if they tell you we are ecumeincal . but not all do .
Here is how you will also know if you are in a bad place .
They will often talk about love and that GOD is love a lot
and YET you will clearly see very little to no true biblical doctrine from them .
And often what little doctrine they will use , is always seeminly making the road a b it broader .
As IT will not correct sins and errors
and in time begins to even accept certain sins and errors .
And often times will give speeches about how we are all sinners
BUT DOES SO TO SHUT DOWN CORRECTION of sins .
As in DONT JUDGE , hey we all sin , God is love .
You will see a two fold thing .
A . They will often let and allow UNREPENTANT SINNERS , yes those who JUSTIFY THEIR SINS
to remain in their congregation and all under the guise of dont warn we dont want to run them out .
AND YET how quickly they warn when a man b rings scripture that does expose the sins .
They have replace the grave men with the gravy smooth talkers .
They have replaced the LOVE OF GOD with the love of the world , UNDER the guise its the love of GOD .
Their charity will only speak of doing good to the poor and etc
YET t heir charity seemth to have NO PROBLEM with inquity and rather has a problem with the scriptures
that does expose sin . OH i would say something is going dead wrong my friend .
They also more and more will talk about world peace and this solution for world peace .
NEVER seeming to realize JESUS never came to bring peace on earth .
But someone else sure does . And beleive me when i say THAT is not the one anyone would ever once want to follow .
And believe me , ITS INTERFAITH PEACE PLAN , WILL DENY THE GOSPEL OF GOD ,
as in THE DIRE NEED to REPENT and BELIEVE ON JESUS
as it lies to all the religoins and to christendom saying HEY we all coming to the same GOD .
HEY our way is no BETTER THAN their way . TALK about a delusion .
OUR WAY , IS JESUS THE CHRIST who is THE ONLY WAY . only THEY DARN SURE DONT SEE IT sister .
Theraputic Christianity is on the way and already here in many churches.
It teaches how to be happy with ourselves.
It uses Jesus as one would use a self-help book.
The good news is spoken of...but nothing of what comes next.
Jesus said to follow Him.
He said to pick up our cross daily.
He said His burden is light because the Holy Spirit will assist.
But most don't want a cross...no matter how light it is.
These persons might as well go speak to a psychologist...
they only require a payment at the end of the hour.
Sounds like some churches...yes.
The CC would be one - I do believe they teach the gospel....
but some priests refer to sin as a weakness instead of an affront to God.
Always talking about how God loves everyone...
never about what WE are supposed to do.
It's a comforting sermon...
instead of learing the word of God. (even though it is read).
I dislike reformed churches.....at least they teach obedience to God.
But, yes, I see what you mean.
amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
And just what does this inclusive god give out . FALSE assurance .
False hope , false love , leading them only farther into the darkness that it calleth Light
and deeper and only deeper into the love of a harlot ,that it says IS THE LOVE of GOD .
but into only one thing has it led them all , more and more . UNBELIEF .
Has GOD really said , NAY NAY ,
INTO UNBELIEF .
Now who ya think DO T HAT . a hint . It and about a third of the angels that followed it
WERE cast out of heaven .
it was in the garden .
And It lied to the woman and it said HAS GOD really said
NAY NAY , surely ye shall not die . THEY DID DIE and death has come upon all of man .
And now again it does work to convince even the EVE think church
HAS JESUS REALLY SAID , HAS GOD really said
YE must beleive in JESUS to be saved . NAY NAY it says , surely ye shall not perish
and they shall not perish if they reject the gospel and beleive not , FOR GOD IS LOVE .
OH it does lie . OH it does lie .
CAUSE it aint preaching the LOVE OF GOD .
THE LOVE OF GOD IS that we KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS .
AND WHO has GOD commanded we believe and obey . JESUS THE GLORIOUS SON OF GOD ALL MIGHTY .
TO BELIEVE
BELIEVE on JESUS and to love one another . THAT IS THE LOVE OF GOD
But it darn sure aint the broad all inclusie love i see getting sold by the seperent . Someone lying
and that someone be even using the name of JESUS to convince even the church
OF UNBELEIF . and who ya think WOULD DO that . Whatever you do , DONT SAY GOD . cause it aint GOD .
amigo de christo
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Exactly .
And now a word .
WHY do you think what so many see as theraputic
is as misery to the soul of the sheep .
Because anything that contradicts THE LOVE thus THE TRUTH OF GOD
aint music to the ears of THE SHEEP . ITs like mega death on steriods with hands scratching on the black boards .
NAS and TEE . FOR THERE IS NO PEACE for the sheep In anything CONTRARY to the ONE TRUE GOD .
FOR GOD has g iven the sheep THE HOLY GHOST .
And any guesses on what GOD desired . TO LOVE THE LORD THY GOD with all your heart soul and mind
and to love your neighbore as yourself .
NOT TO REJECT THE WORDS OF GOD , not to love huamnity MORE THAN GOD .
That my friend PLEASES NOT GOD .
THIS pleases GOD and is the only Thing that ever can . FAITH .
And if ones faith be not IN CHRIST , then i assure us all its NOT IN GOD WHO DID SEND HIM .
And if one loves not the words of GOD , which we both know ARE TRUTH .
THEN WHERE IS THE CHARITY . because charitiy REJOICES IN THE TRUTH
And where is the SPIRIT of GOD in such a one
cause the FRUIT OF THAT SPIRIT is in all righteous , godliness and TRUTH .
And what does it prove . THAT WHICH IS PLEASING TO GOD .
And sin and unbelief , yes let me say that again , and sin and unbleief DO NOT PLEASE GOD nor is ACCETABLE TO GOD .
what they call theraputic i call the fragrance of death that simply pleases THEIR FLESH and NOT GOD
Marvelloustime
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Man has a God-shaped hole in his soul that only God can fill.
Someone said this...can't remember who.
Maybe Augustine.
Maybe St. Francis of Assisi.
amigo de christo
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lets stick to the scriptures . just by those i can e asily expose anything contrary .
Not to mention i would not have sat under augustine .
Even though he could speak some certain truths . I cannot remember at this time exactly what it was
i read him saying . BuT I can darn sure remember saying to myself . no way would sit under it .
Only GOD can truly fill our hearts .
But be on gaurd cause a harlot can fill many hearts too , Only she lies and pleases the flesh of man
to satisfy that which IS WELL pleasing to man . NOT PLEASING WITH GOD .
Just a friendly reminder my friend .
Augustine was a disaster.
He taught that man has no free will.
He taught that babies must be baptized immediately or they would go to hell if they died.
John Calvin formed his ideas around him.
Grailhunter
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Hey Hey GodsGrace.
Ya it is always best to go with the scriptures, rather than make it up along the way.
Whether it is Judaism or Christianity they are both religions of ramifications.
What they are not, are clubs ya join but do not participate.
Ronald Nolette
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Well none of your response applies to me so I just will chalk it up as meaning little to me.
amigo de christo
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When i seen just the first two lines i knew immediately from whence calivin and later OSAS would spring .
That was exactly why i had zero desire to beleive augustine .
I read his writings years and years and years ago , in the early days of my walk as a new christain .
Perhaps two years in when i began going to the library .
SNIFF SNIFF , by then two years of lovely bible reading every day .
YOU EVER WONDER why i never became A JW
EVEN THOUGH i read abou them .
Ever wonder why i never became mormon
or say adventist , or , please take a seat cause this might s ting a bit , but a catholic .
YES i did my own readings about them in the library .
AND not from the opposing side , I mean i read what THEY said themeslves .
And thank GOD too . For calling me out of the darkness and to the ONE TRUE CHRIST .
and for putting me into a book that now collects a lot of dust on a lot of shelves .
And if any does read it they do so through the catholic or their own denimonatial realms teaching .
And a disaster is all that is sister .
I dont condmen . I simply speak the truth .
WE . as in every man and every woman that b asically sits in mainline christendom or b asically
i should say catholicsville . OH DEAR they deceving us all .
Not a message most wont to hear . But a message i must preach while reminding all
GET THINESELF INTO that bible for THINESELF .
and r emember i am not the accuser . but i am also not the excuser of darkness either .
ALL sin , ALL error , no mat ter how wee tiny it do appear , MUST b e exposed the exact second
one is made aware of it . The thing is most c an not only recoginize large leaven ,
THEY never could see it when it was wee small . BUT OPEN THAT BIBLE , PRAY TO THAT GOD
and STAY IN THAT BIBLE and KEEP praying to that GOD and believe you me
OH YOU GONNA GROW and mature and easily BY HIS GRACE and the knowledge he does give ,
SEE the wee wee tiniest b it of leaven the MOMENT IT DO APPEAR .
WHEN LOOKING for the counterfiet , NEVER LOOK to the countefiets which be many
YOU LOOK TO THE ONE TRUE . AND LEARN IT WELL .
SO that when even the tiniest of changes does appear on that b ill , YOU IS LIKE NO WAY COUNTERFIET and
that cash c ow dont float in this house . BIBILE TIME .
Let us learn it very well and i mean vERY very as in BOY I SURE LOVE READING THIS BOOK DAILY and FOR HOURS
WELL . GOD after calling me put me into ONE BOOK to learn without the influ ences of the denominations
or the RCC . JUST A LOVE , oh and what a love , for reading it daily
Now for over twenty years . AND I KNOW WITH ZERO DOUBT WHY HE DID .
Now i ain saying dont test me . I say TEST ALL MEN . ONLY DONT DO IT THROUGH THE DENOMINATIONS
of men or THE RCC . AND DARN SURE not the inclusive lens .
you read for you . TEST ME ON THIS , TEST ME ON THIS , TEST ME ON THIS .
YOU open that bible and simply enjoy reading it for you . lets start with say maybe a mere three hours a day .
beleive me , WHEN I worked fifty plus hours a week it was well over any three hours i could still put into reading
that bible every day . I WAS THAT DARN HUNGRY for the truth and I LOVED that biblical truth .
The average was for me was probably four plus hours a day . And on the day or two i had off a week
Sometimes EIGHT hours .
I aint judging anyone who dont read it THAT Much
NOR i am saying this so everyone runs to me as though I CAN DO NO and Speak no wrong .
BUT I AM SAYING this for one reason . GET THINE NOSES in them bibles
cause it wont take long for any one to see
what it took for me to also see . W ould you like to hear an expression of it .
GOOD .
HERE IT IS .
OH MY , OH ME , CHRISTENDOM has no idea what it has lost . NOR THAT MANY IN IT ARE LOST .
Call that judgmental and hate if you want .
BUT YOU GET IN THAT BIBLE and TEST ME , YOU SEE in time what YOU SEE . DO IT . DO IT .
Just saw this.
Almost missed it !
The CC messed up some ideas,,,
but it does proclaim the gospel and teaches obedience to God's commands.
It also does not teach OSAS which is a damnable teaching that will lead many to miss heaven.
What bothers me more than what the CC has added to the NT is those churches (most of them are non-denominatinal)
that teach faith alone, osas.
IMHO, those are the worst teachings in Chritianity.
Even calvinism might be better...yes, I think so.
'night
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