Mary the Queen of Heaven?

[Marvelloustime]

this in red sounds more like a confession coming from your lips .
OH i must agree ALL that dwell upon the earth will worship him , whose names are not written in the book of life
of the LAMB slain from the foundation of the world .
The only thing is Ecuemenical incliusivsm and its intefaith has led them into
the worship of and is leading them into the worship of this beast .
Go on bread . And no sir i will NOT say OF LIFE .
SO just accept bread for now .
SO go on bread , in your heart , in your heart
what do you believe is the best possible solution for men like me
that refuse anything to do with anything or anyone tied into that ecumeincal inclusive camp .
What do you think is the next step for men like me .
Perhaps to be relocated to some reeducation , or if it sounds better to love camps that might
b e able to help us . I already know the solution that is coming
But i just wonder if you are alreading b eing led into accepting it or not .
So do you beleive men like me are religous extremists . at least answer that

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

i will die before i follow the god of the rcc .
You all just gonna have to figure out what do to with all
who did not conform to the all inclusive ecuemincal chambers of a harlot and her all inclusive god
that many now call God . I REJECT IT WITH ALL MY HEART and all my soul and all my being .
Now what do you think about me . AM i a man of GOD and of Christ
or am i one that needs serious re education , perhaps in a camp or institution .
I honestly do want to know your answer . BUT I SHUN with all my heart ecumeincal inclusive intefaith .
And i will have no part with or in its merger for world peace .

@amigo de christo

 

[BreadOfLife]

Only probably 3,000 Catholic Mass in churches and cathedrals in the US and Europe.

So, then it's safe to say that the false claim you made in post 253, it was made not out of ignorance, but of foolishness.

It's called the "Holy SACRIFICE of the Mass", where the sacrifice of Christ on Calvary is re-presented In the Eucharist.

So you've gone to 3000 Masses with scales over your eyes - and fingers in your ears . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

The Bible teaches, and, therefore, Christians believe, that Christ's sacrifice was once and for all, on the cross. The so-called "unbloody sacrifice" of the Mass, is, consequently, blasphemous and idolatrous.

Gee, another LIE.
Why am I NOT surprised??

I've already explained that the mass is a re-presentation of Jesus's once-for-all sacrifice on Calvary.

Try telling the TRUTH sometime.
The truth shall set you free (John 8:32). . . .

 

[David1701]

Gee, another LIE.
Why am I NOT surprised??

I've already explained that the mass is a re-presentation of Jesus's once-for-all sacrifice on Calvary.

Try telling the TRUTH sometime.
The truth shall set you free (John 8:32). . . .

My, that's interesting. You are claiming that what I posted is "another lie"; and yet, I checked with an R.C. Web site, before I posted, to ensure that the Mass was indeed called an "unbloody sacrifice".

"Question:
Why is the Mass called the "unbloody" sacrifice of our Lord on his cross?

Answer:

It’s quite simple, really. The Mass is called an unbloody sacrifice to clarify the fact that we do not behold the Lord’s bloody body as it was seen on Calvary. Instead his body and blood are under the appearances of bread and wine. But it is the same sacrifice. This distinction became necessary as the result of the denial of the Mass being a sacrifice by various Protestant groups."

Why Is the Mass Called the "Unbloody" Sacrifice of Our Lord on His Cross?

It’s quite simple, really. The Mass is called an unbloody sacrifice to clarify the fact that we do not behold the Lord’s bloody body as it was seen on Calvary....

www.catholic.com

Since Jesus' sacrifice was once and for all (as you've admitted), the Mass cannot be the "same sacrifice", the cross having been accomplished about 2,000 years ago.

It looks like I'm the one telling the truth; but, you, well, you're doing something else...

 

[BreadOfLife]

My, that's interesting. You are claiming that what I posted is "another lie"; and yet, I checked with an R.C. Web site, before I posted, to ensure that the Mass was indeed called an "unbloody sacrifice".

"Question:
Why is the Mass called the "unbloody" sacrifice of our Lord on his cross?

Answer:
It’s quite simple, really. The Mass is called an unbloody sacrifice to clarify the fact that we do not behold the Lord’s bloody body as it was seen on Calvary. Instead his body and blood are under the appearances of bread and wine. But it is the same sacrifice. This distinction became necessary as the result of the denial of the Mass being a sacrifice by various Protestant groups."

Why Is the Mass Called the "Unbloody" Sacrifice of Our Lord on His Cross?

It’s quite simple, really. The Mass is called an unbloody sacrifice to clarify the fact that we do not behold the Lord’s bloody body as it was seen on Calvary....

www.catholic.com

Since Jesus' sacrifice was once and for all (as you've admitted), the Mass cannot be the "same sacrifice", the cross having been accomplished about 2,000 years ago.

It looks like I'm the one telling the truth; but, you, well, you're doing something else...

ALL this means is that He is not “re-sacrificed” at the Mass, which is EXACTLY what I’ve been saying.

His sacrifice on the cross is RE-PRESENTED at each Mass, therefore it is “unbloody”.
His sacrifice is ETERNAL, as we see in Scripture:

Rev. 5:6
And between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders I saw a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain, with seven horns and with seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.

Rev. 13:8
and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.

Heb. 7:25
“Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.”

This isn’t rocket science. The sacrifice that the world saw once is ETERNAL.
Is it simply that you reject the Scriptures - or that you CAN'T inderstand what they mean?

 

[David1701]

ALL this means is that He is not “re-sacrificed” at the Mass, which is EXACTLY what I’ve been saying.

His sacrifice on the cross is RE-PRESENTED at each Mass, therefore it is “unbloody”.
His sacrifice is ETERNAL, as we see in Scripture:

Rev. 5:6
And between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders I saw a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain, with seven horns and with seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.

Rev. 13:8
and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.

Heb. 7:25
“Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.”

This isn’t rocket science. The sacrifice that the world saw once is ETERNAL.
Is it simply that you reject the Scriptures - or that you CAN'T inderstand what they mean?

Jesus' sacrifice on the cross was completed, 2,000 years ago. Its effects are eternal, but the sacrifice itself lasted only a few hours. Its presentation to God was a one-off, never to be repeated. Any re-presentation of Christ's sacrifice (as if we could do that!) is, therefore, blasphemous, implying as it does, that the original presentation was not eternally effectual.

Communion is a memorial service, not a re-presentation of Christ's sacrifice, bloody or otherwise.

 

[amigo de christo]

My people perish from lack of knowledge .
And this is soon why all will be seated as one under an ecumenical harlot
who has merged not only the denominatoins as one but also with teh false religoins as one .
And all will find common ground in a lie they beleived was of God , was love , and was necessary for world peace n safety .
AND THEY ALL will be damned .

 

[Grailhunter]

So, then it's safe to say that the false claim you made in post 253, it was made not out of ignorance, but of foolishness.

It's called the "Holy SACRIFICE of the Mass", where the sacrifice of Christ on Calvary is re-presented In the Eucharist.

So you've gone to 3000 Masses with scales over your eyes - and fingers in your ears . . .

As usual you are rude and silly.
If you look the pictures I sent you they are captioned Mirian Altars.
Now you can call them different things, but the fact is people are kneeling in front of them, hands folded and praying to Mary. Which is fine, I pray to Mary-Miriam. If you have something against the reverence or veneration of Mary or praying to Mary, you should admit it.

Yes 3,000 masses, I went to Catholic schools and mass 6 times a week. My parent would drop me off to church in the morning on their way to work and I would walk over to the school. When I was in Europe I made a point to attend mass in some the most historical cathedrals. I was lucky enough to visit Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris. Notre Dame means Our Lady in Latin and there are a few Notre Dame Cathedrals. I love the Stations of the Cross in them.

When was the last time you went to church?

 

[Grailhunter]

My people perish from lack of knowledge .
And this is soon why all will be seated as one under an ecumenical harlot
who has merged not only the denominatoins as one but also with teh false religoins as one .
And all will find common ground in a lie they beleived was of God , was love , and was necessary for world peace n safety .
AND THEY ALL will be damned .

Too much hate in your religion to be a follower of Yeshua.

 

[amigo de christo]

Too much hate in your religion to be a follower of Yeshua.

yeah according to you its hate .
But had you been in the days of john preaching in the wilderness
WHo called out the false religous leaders
Such as , YE hyprocrites who warned YE to flee from the wrath of GOD
Or had you been in the days of JESUS
who also called them a pit of vipers , even calling their father satan
And even looking round about upon them with anger
YE HAD CALLED THEM BOTH haters .
And i shudder for what ye had called JESUS when he decided to MAKE a whip
and go to town trashing tables and whipping at everything in that temple .
OR perhaps if you had been in the days of peter
WHEN HE called simeon out .
YE MONEY PERISH WITH YOU
OR perhaps maybe paul
YOU child of the devil as he blinded the man trying to lead the deputy away from teh faith .
And this can go on and on .
YOU ALL bought stink bait of f alse love that wont correct
and simply tries to find common ground . And that is why you will soon be seated
Under the wrong one and its ecumeincal harlot .
Yall think i am grave . GIVE ME A break . I am a puppy dog compared to the true men .

 

[amigo de christo]

Jesus' sacrifice on the cross was completed, 2,000 years ago. Its effects are eternal, but the sacrifice itself lasted only a few hours. Its presentation to God was a one-off, never to be repeated. Any re-presentation of Christ's sacrifice (as if we could do that!) is, therefore, blasphemous, implying as it does, that the original presentation was not eternally effectual.

Communion is a memorial service, not a re-presentation of Christ's sacrifice, bloody or otherwise.

david its true . and i understand why that statement brings sadness .
Believe me when i say I SURE would rather they had repented . It can be hard to watch what is going on within
christendom . but what i do say to you i must say to all
Beware ecumenicalism inclusivism intefaith .
IF you have any questions , start asking .
But know this , that satan has always desired the death of humanitiy .
And marvel not that he can make what he says appear as though its good and even loving
and e ven necessary for mankind . YET ALL it was , was f or their destruction .
SO beleive me when i say
that EVEN satan can use the name of JESUS
and even say Judge not GOD is love . But friend he twists it all .
A sensual false love is all he brings
And he uses a judge not to only silence those who do correct and who do expose sins and lies .
Making those who do so seem as if they are the judgers and haters .
WHEN ALL ALONG it be satan who is the one who hates . And has only come
within , as have his minstiris , to only deceive this people . So ask questions my friend .

 

[Marvelloustime]

david its true . and i understand why that statement brings sadness .
Believe me when i say I SURE would rather they had repented . It can be hard to watch what is going on within
christendom . but what i do say to you i must say to all
Beware ecumenicalism inclusivism intefaith .
IF you have any questions , start asking .
But know this , that satan has always desired the death of humanitiy .
And marvel not that he can make what he says appear as though its good and even loving
and e ven necessary for mankind . YET ALL it was , was f or their destruction .
SO beleive me when i say
that EVEN satan can use the name of JESUS
and even say Judge not GOD is love . But friend he twists it all .
A sensual false love is all he brings
And he uses a judge not to only silence those who do correct and who do expose sins and lies .
Making those who do so seem as if they are the judgers and haters .
WHEN ALL ALONG it be satan who is the one who hates . And has only come
within , as have his minstiris , to only deceive this people . So ask questions my friend .

@a

 

[Marvelloustime]

My people perish from lack of knowledge .
And this is soon why all will be seated as one under an ecumenical harlot
who has merged not only the denominatoins as one but also with teh false religoins as one .
And all will find common ground in a lie they beleived was of God , was love , and was necessary for world peace n safety .
AND THEY ALL will be damned .

@amigo de christo

 

[BreadOfLife]

Jesus' sacrifice on the cross was completed, 2,000 years ago. Its effects are eternal, but the sacrifice itself lasted only a few hours. Its presentation to God was a one-off, never to be repeated. Any re-presentation of Christ's sacrifice (as if we could do that!) is, therefore, blasphemous, implying as it does, that the original presentation was not eternally effectual.

That’s NOT what Scripture says, as I showed you. God is NOT subject to time as WE are.
The Lamb who was sacrificed before the foundations of the world. This is the timeless, ETRNAL language that refers to Heaven.

Communion is a memorial service, not a re-presentation of Christ's sacrifice, bloody or otherwise.

That’s NOT what Jesus said . . .

In John 6, Jesus stated in NO uncertain terms:
John 6:53-56
“Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you EAT the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do NOT have life within you. “

“Whoever EATS MY FLESH and DRINKS MY BLOOD has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. For MY FLESH IS TRUE FOOD, and MY BLOOD IS TRUE DRINK. Whoever EATS MY FLESH and DRINKS MY BLOOD remains in me and I in him.”

Now, note that the usual Greek word used for human eating is “phagon”, however, this is NOT the word used in these passages. John uses the word, “trogon”, which means, “to munch or to gnaw” - like an animal. Jesus was again using hyperbole as he often did to drive his point across so that the crowd would understand that he was NOT speaking metaphorically. He MEANTwhat he said.

Just as the Paschal Lamb was to be eaten, it is also true for the Lamb of God.

When the crowd thinks this teaching is too bizarre to follow – many of them LEAVE Him and return to their former way of life (John 6:66)

Does Jesus explain to them that He was speaking symbolically or metaphorically?
NOPE. He says, "Does this SHOCK you?"

Then He turns to the Apostles and asks them:
“Do YOU also want to leave?”

At the Last Supper – does Jesus say, “This SYMBOLIZES my Body” and “This SYMBOLIZES my Blood”?
NO – He says: “This IS my Body” and “This IS my Blood.”

If you can’t believe thee very words of Jesus – then I don’t know what to tell you . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

As usual you are rude and silly.
If you look the pictures I sent you they are captioned Mirian Altars.
Now you can call them different things, but the fact is people are kneeling in front of them, hands folded and praying to Mary. Which is fine, I pray to Mary-Miriam. If you have something against the reverence or veneration of Mary or praying to Mary, you should admit it.

And the fact that, after all of the scholarly evidence I’ve given you, including a dictionary definition for the word “Altar” – you STILL don’t know the difference between an Altar and a Shrine.

Yes 3,000 masses, I went to Catholic schools and mass 6 times a week. My parent would drop me off to church in the morning on their way to work and I would walk over to the school. When I was in Europe I made a point to attend mass in some the most historical cathedrals. I was lucky enough to visit Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris. Notre Dame means Our Lady in Latin and there are a few Notre Dame Cathedrals. I love the Stations of the Cross in them.

What a shame that your parents wasted so much time and money – only to have their child NOT understand a THING he was being taught . . .
This is a very common problem with ex-Catholics.

When was the last time you went to church?

I’ve forgotten more about Catholic teaching than YOU’LL ever know . . .

 

[Grailhunter]

And the fact that, after all of the scholarly evidence I’ve given you, including a dictionary definition for the word “Altar” – you STILL don’t know the difference between an Altar and a Shrine.

Sure I know the difference but at both of them they are kneeling and praying and are for reverence and veneration of Mary.

What a shame that your parents wasted so much time and money – only to have their child NOT understand a THING he was being taught . . .
This is a very common problem with ex-Catholics.

Dude if there is anyone here that does not know what it is to be a Catholic, it is you. I have said this ever since I met you, you are a horrible example of a Catholic. Catholics are generally good people----you are not.

 

[amigo de christo]

And the fact that, after all of the scholarly evidence I’ve given you, including a dictionary definition for the word “Altar” – you STILL don’t know the difference between an Altar and a Shrine.

What a shame that your parents wasted so much time and money – only to have their child NOT understand a THING he was being taught . . .
This is a very common problem with ex-Catholics.

I’ve forgotten more about Catholic teaching than YOU’LL ever know . . .

B read , are you aware of what paul warned us , the church , about when speaking specially of the last days .
Go to and behold the second letter written to the thessalonians .
Paul wrote that God would send a strong delusion , think a lying spirit , to cause all who had rejected the love of the truth
whereby they might be s aved to BELEIVE A LIE and be damned .
Then go back to his first letter and see the warning he gives the church
about what they would be saying RIGHT before THIS SUDDEN destructoin was to come down upon them all .
And now a word .
What lie to you see being sold to BOTH the false religions , who i know REJECT the true JESUS
and that many even in christendom , whose hopes were always in men who preached another jesus
are also buying into THE SAME LIE .
And before i tell us what THIS SAME LIE is
i would like to remind us THAT BY this plan
they believe they shall attain PEACE N SAFETY . the lie that GOD IS IN and is with ALL RELIGIONS
and that God desires us all to join hands with all religions for to at tain PEACE N SAFETY .
The delusion aint coming bread , ITS been here and it only grows now .
Just a reminder for us all that we better TAKE HEED to what and to whom we follow and support .
For many now following the workings of an ecuemincal harlot who has poured the inclusive love
of her father the dragon down UPON this world
And its plan of int efaith of anti christ it does preach .
And now a word . AND by PEACE shall HE destroy many . SOMEONE LYING TO US ALL ,,, and GOD dont lie .
But the devil sure does .

 

[amigo de christo]

Too much hate in your religion to be a follower of Yeshua.

Dear grailhunter are you aware of what paul warned us , the church , about when speaking specially of the last days .
Go to and behold the second letter written to the thessalonians .
Paul wrote that God would send a strong delusion , think a lying spirit , to cause all who had rejected the love of the truth
whereby they might be s aved to BELEIVE A LIE and be damned .
Then go back to his first letter and see the warning he gives the church
about what they would be saying RIGHT before THIS SUDDEN destructoin was to come down upon them all .
And now a word .
What lie to you see being sold to BOTH the false religions , who i know REJECT the true JESUS
and that many even in christendom , whose hopes were always in men who preached another jesus
are also buying into THE SAME LIE .
And before i tell us what THIS SAME LIE is
i would like to remind us THAT BY this plan
they believe they shall attain PEACE N SAFETY . the lie that GOD IS IN and is with ALL RELIGIONS
and that God desires us all to join hands with all religions for to at tain PEACE N SAFETY .
The delusion aint coming grailhunter , ITS been here and it only grows now .
Just a reminder for us all that we better TAKE HEED to what and to whom we follow and support .
For many now following the workings of an ecuemincal harlot who has poured the inclusive love
of her father the dragon down UPON this world
And its plan of int efaith of anti christ it does preach .
And now a word . AND by PEACE shall HE destroy many . SOMEONE LYING TO US ALL ,, and GOD dont lie .
But the devil sure does .

 

[Grailhunter]

Dear grailhunter are you aware of what paul warned us , the church , about when speaking specially of the last days .
Go to and behold the second letter written to the thessalonians .
Paul wrote that God would send a strong delusion , think a lying spirit , to cause all who had rejected the love of the truth
whereby they might be s aved to BELEIVE A LIE and be damned .
Then go back to his first letter and see the warning he gives the church
about what they would be saying RIGHT before THIS SUDDEN destructoin was to come down upon them all .
And now a word .
What lie to you see being sold to BOTH the false religions , who i know REJECT the true JESUS
and that many even in christendom , whose hopes were always in men who preached another jesus
are also buying into THE SAME LIE .
And before i tell us what THIS SAME LIE is
i would like to remind us THAT BY this plan
they believe they shall attain PEACE N SAFETY . the lie that GOD IS IN and is with ALL RELIGIONS
and that God desires us all to join hands with all religions for to at tain PEACE N SAFETY .
The delusion aint coming grailhunter , ITS been here and it only grows now .
Just a reminder for us all that we better TAKE HEED to what and to whom we follow and support .
For many now following the workings of an ecuemincal harlot who has poured the inclusive love
of her father the dragon down UPON this world
And its plan of int efaith of anti christ it does preach .
And now a word . AND by PEACE shall HE destroy many . SOMEONE LYING TO US ALL ,, and GOD dont lie .
But the devil sure does .

The dislike between the Catholics and Protestants have been around a while.
The Protestants link the Catholics to the harlot in Revelation and the Catholics link the Protestants to heretics.
Both sets of Christians have saved Christians in their congregations.
The ones you have to worry about are the OSAS and Universialism and the Jehovah's Witnesses.