Simple proof that the rapture occurs on the Last Day, which is a post tribulation rapture

[The Light]

The Light noted:
"Seven seals."

We do not use parchment today, so these things sound strange to us.

Parchment was made from reeds. It could be rolled up for storage, and sealed along its length with dabs of molten wax "seals" (Greek σφρηγιδαι, Revelation chapters 5, 6, 8).

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.

 

[The Light]

The Wrath of God…is not until Rev 16:
[1] And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

Ok. Then explain how the wrath of God is not over when the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord.

Revelation 11
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Explain how the wrath of God is not over when the 7th trumpet sounds and the mystery of God is finished.

Revelation 10
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

You are not understanding what you are reading. Armageddon is over when the 7th trumpet sounds. The vials DO NOT happen after the trumpets. They occur in the same timeframe.

 

[The Light]

The purpose of the rapture is to remove believers from the land of Israel, so they may avoid the coming bowl judgments.

Hmmm. Then explain why those in Jerusalem are told to flee when they see Jerusalem surrounded by armies.

There is no rapture for those in Israel. They are to flee to a place of protection and remain on the earth during the 7 trumpets and 7 vials of Gods wrath.

The two raptures are for the for the rest of the world, not Jerusalem.

The rapture occurs at the midpoint of the seventieth seven, where a "seven" is seven 360-day years.

Could you explain how that is possible when there is currently only 3.5 years remaining in the 70th week of Daniel.

The rapture is accomplished by Jesus, who will descend from heaven and take up believers back to heaven.

There are two raptures. The first rapture is the Gentiles. After the fullness of the Gentiles comes in at the rapture before the great tribulation, then we start over. First fruits and then they that are Christs at His coming. The first fruits are 144,000 from twelve tribes. The second harvest will be of the 12 tribes and it will occur at the 6th seal.

The rapture will occur at the seventh trump:

o. 1Thessalonians 4:16-17

I see no 7th trumpet here. The trump of God is the voice of God.

o. Revelation 11:15-19

I see no rapture here. Please quote the verses where we can see a rapture.

o. Revelation 14:16

The is the 2nd harvest which occurs at the 6th seal before the wrath of God.

o. Daniel 9:24-27

Which of these verses can we find a rapture?

Daniel 9
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[The Light]

30 min of silence is not the wrath of God. The wrath is found in the 7 vials of wrath.

I guess you can pretend that the 7th seal is just 30 minutes of silence if you want.

You seem to be content to ignore that the wrath of God is 7 trumpets and 7 vials.

You seem to think that these 7 trumpets and 7 vials of wrath take place in some other seal even though the Word of God says they are in the 7th seal.

 

[Taken]

Is Jesus God?

In Heaven, Yes…
On Earth, Not Yet.

Ok. Then explain how the wrath of God is not over when the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord.

Gods Wrath / Anger is Gods.
It is Gods VENGEANCE, that which is Step by Step continuing… to Gods Satisfaction.

Revelation 11
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Explain how the wrath of God is not over when the 7th trumpet sounds and the mystery of God is finished.

Revelation 10
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

The Mystery being Finished, simply means, they with God, are Witnessing… How God IS successfully Overcoming, Eradicating and Destroying His Enemies.

You are not understanding what you are reading.

I have Gods given Understanding.

The vials DO NOT happen after the trumpets. They occur in the same timeframe.

I reject your false claims.
7th Trump sounded … Rev 11:15
Vial 1 Begins … Rev. 16:2

 

[Taken]

The two raptures are for the for the rest of the world, not Jerusalem.

No such thing as “Two Raptures”…

What do you think Rapture means?

 

[William Barton]

TWO RAPTURES
1Thessalonians 4:16,17:

(1) The dead in Christ will rise first.

(2) Then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air..."

 

[ewq1938]

I guess you can pretend that the 7th seal is just 30 minutes of silence if you want.

You seem to be content to ignore that the wrath of God is 7 trumpets and 7 vials.

It's not. Only the 7th trump is associated with the wrath of God, Rev 11. That's when the vials of wrath and the second coming take place. The first 6 trumps are not the wrath of God plus trhe 6th trump is the trib so the wrsth of satan.

You seem to think that these 7 trumpets and 7 vials of wrath take place in some other seal even though the Word of God says they are in the 7th seal.

They don't take place during the opening of the seals. The seals only show future events. The trumps signal actions/events to take place.

 

[ewq1938]

The purpose of the rapture is to remove believers from the land of Israel, so they may avoid the coming bowl judgments.

The rapture is global and for all believers not only certain ones.

 

[The Light]

I reject your false claims.

You reject the truth and are unaware of it.

7th Trump sounded … Rev 11:15
Vial 1 Begins … Rev. 16:2

When the 7th trumpet sounds it's all over. Wrath is over and the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord. Armageddon is over when the 7th trumpet sounds.

The vials are just a different vison of the wrath of God. Two separate visions of the same timeframe. In the first vision the wrath of God is over when the 7th trumpet sounds. In the second vision of God's wrath, with different information, the wrath of God is over when the 7th vial is poured out.

 

[The Light]

No such thing as “Two Raptures”…

What do you think Rapture means?

There are two folds.

John 10
14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

One coming at the trump of God and one coming at the last trump which is blown on the Feast of Trumpets.

One coming the Lord Himself comes and one coming He sends His angels.

One coming the dead in Christ rise first and one coming the dead and alive are changed at the last trump.

Rapture is being caught up and removed from the earth.

 

[The Light]

TWO RAPTURES
1Thessalonians 4:16,17:

(1) The dead in Christ will rise first.

(2) Then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air..."

TWO RAPTURES.

1) 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17. The rise first. The alive remain. When Jesus returns for the alive that remain He will bring the dead in Christ with Him.

2) 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 The dead and alive are changed at the last trump which is blown on the Feast of Trumpets.

 

[The Light]

It's not. Only the 7th trump is associated with the wrath of God, Rev 11. That's when the vials of wrath and the second coming take place. The first 6 trumps are not the wrath of God plus trhe 6th trump is the trib so the wrsth of satan.

Why does the Word of God say that the second coming occurs at the 6th seal??????????????????????????????????????????????????????

They don't take place during the opening of the seals. The seals only show future events. The trumps signal actions/events to take place.

Why does the Word of God show that the event happens when the seals are actually opened? Why do the events of the trumpets and vials occur as each trumpet is blown and each vial is poured out?

 

[Taken]

You reject the truth and are unaware of it.

Your false accusations shall be accounted to You.

When the 7th trumpet sounds it's all over. Wrath is over and the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord. Armageddon is over when the 7th trumpet sounds.

More of your errors.
7th Trump sounded… Rev 11:15

Armageddon is a place Devil spirits are gathered. Rev 16:14

[14] For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

[16] And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

The vials are just a different vison of the wrath of God. Two separate visions of the same timeframe.

In the first vision the wrath of God is over when the 7th trumpet sounds. In the second vision of God's wrath, with different information, the wrath of God is over when the 7th vial is poured out.

Your attempt to wing it without a genuine attempt to study scripture step by step is blatantly obvious…and accusing others of being accountable for your lack of understanding is also accounted unto you.

Revelation IS a Review of what WAS
AND
An Explicit, in Order Preview of what IS to Come.

You are all over the place, mixing, skipping, adding words and accusatory.

 

[Taken]

TWO RAPTURES
1Thessalonians 4:16,17:

(1) The dead in Christ will rise first.

(2) Then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air..."

Disagree.
One Rapture Event for they “IN” Christ according to an ORDER., dead first then the living.

 

[Taken]

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Who do you expect to take such nonsense seriously?

 

[Taken]

There are two folds.

John 10
14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

One coming at the trump of God and one coming at the last trump which is blown on the Feast of Trumpets.

One Return of the Lord to Earth. Period.

One coming the Lord Himself comes and one coming He sends His angels.

One coming the dead in Christ rise first and one coming the dead and alive are changed at the last trump.

One Return of the Lord to Earth. Period.

Rapture is being caught up and removed from the earth.

Yes.
And they RETURN to Earth WITH Christ the Lord Jesus.

 

[The Light]

Your false accusations shall be accounted to You.

The FACT that the trumpets and vials occur in the same timeframe which is the wrath of God is correct. The FACT that you do not understand this is not a false accusation.

More of your errors.
7th Trump sounded… Rev 11:15

Armageddon is a place Devil spirits are gathered. Rev 16:14

[14] For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

[16] And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

And yet you seem unwilling or able to understand that when the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, Armageddon is over.

Your attempt to wing it without a genuine attempt to study scripture step by step is blatantly obvious…and accusing others of being accountable for your lack of understanding is also accounted unto you.

Revelation IS a Review of what WAS
AND
An Explicit, in Order Preview of what IS to Come.

You are all over the place, mixing, skipping, adding words and accusatory.

Please feel free to point out what I am skipping or adding words to.

When the 7th angel sounds the 7th trumpet, the mystery of God is OVER. You seem to be missing this FACT.

 

[The Light]

Who do you expect to take such nonsense seriously?

Nonsense?????????????????????????????????

 

[The Light]

One Return of the Lord to Earth. Period.

Yes one return to the earth after Armageddon at the 7th trumpets when the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord.

However, He comes to the clouds in the two raptures.
The Lord comes for His Church in an hour that you think not before the great tribulation.
The Lord comes of the second harvest at the 6th seal.
That's two raptures.