Does The Resurrection Take Place On The Last Day, With All Dead In The Grave Coming Forth?

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Those seen below are believing (Souls) they were beheaded for their testimony in Jesus and God's word, they live and reign in the Lord's spiritual realm

So … you think Souls, without their body’s, are reigning WITH Christ … somewhere you call a “spiritual” realm ——> where is that?

And WHO exactly are they “reigning” OVER?

No place in Revelation 20:1-6 do you see living mortals upon this earth in a Kingdom,

A kingdom is simply a country / Nation, with a leader… king, president, chairman, chief… different titles, same governing position…. Reigning over its citizens.

So , you are saying No mortals are alive, living in their nations when Jesus returns?

this false teaching is a man made fairy tale that doesn't exist in scripture

Who does Christ rule over if there are no humans on Earth?

Jesus Is The Lord

Revelation 20:4KJV
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Who is being ruled over?

 

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I stated Jesus returns in "Fire" and you asked for supporting scripture?

There it is before your eyes, simple, clear, and easy to understand, will you continue to deny God's simple words of truth?

Snarky response…

Jesus Will Be Revealed In "Fire" At His Future Coming a biblical "Fact"!

Your words. Not Scripture.

(Destroyed Them All)

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heayven, and destroyed them all.

From Heaven.

30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

(In Flaming Fire Taking Vengeance)

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Flaming Vengeance is The Lords Power to Cause Fire…
NOT the Lord IN Fire.

 

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Revelation 20:4KJV
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Saw them sitting…judges…bodies
AND
Saw their souls… beheaded…souls, no body.

Not the SAME “them”…

Judges come With the Lord.
Body, soul, spirit of saved men, holy angels come with the Lord to Earth.

They in belief killed During the Trib…
Their dead body stays on Earth… their soul departs their body and goes to heaven…their body waits for First Resurrection.

Rev. 7
[13] And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
[14] And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
[15] Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

 

[Truth7t7]

So … you think Souls, without their body’s, are reigning WITH Christ … somewhere you call a “spiritual” realm ——> where is that?

And WHO exactly are they “reigning” OVER?

Where does it state that the beheaded souls are reigning over human on earth, they live and reign with Jesus who is now on the right hand of the Father, Jesus reigns presently over this world

A kingdom is simply a country / Nation, with a leader… king, president, chairman, chief… different titles, same governing position…. Reigning over its citizens.

Jesus Is presently King over his Kingdom, there is presently a Kingdom of darkness and light Satan/Jesus

So , you are saying No mortals are alive, living in their nations when Jesus returns?

Jesus returns and destroys all the unsaved wicked as this earth is dissolved by fire (The End)

Who does Christ rule over if there are no humans on Earth?

Who is being ruled over?

Jesus Is presently ruling from the right hand of the Father

 

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Where does it state that the beheaded souls are reigning over human on earth, they live and reign with Jesus who is now on the right hand of the Father, Jesus reigns presently over this world

No clue and why I asked you.

Jesus Is presently King over his Kingdom,

Where is His present kingdom?
Scripture please.

there is presently a Kingdom of darkness and light Satan/Jesus

Where is Satan’s Kingdom?
Scripture please.

Jesus returns and destroys all the unsaved wicked

Really… When and Where on Earth is Jesus standing while He is destroying the unsaved and wicked.
Scripture please.

as this earth is dissolved by fire (The End)

Where is Jesus Standing ON Earth while He is Dissolving the Earth by Fire?
The End? Bummer.

Jesus Is presently ruling from the right hand of the father

Scripture please.

 

[Truth7t7]

No clue and why I asked you.

Where is His present kingdom?
Scripture please.

Colissians 1:13KJV
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Hebrews 1:8KJV
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

WHERE IS Satans Kingdom scripture please

Job 2:2KJV
2 And the Lord said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Luke 11:18KJV
18 If Satan also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand? because ye say that I cast out devils through Beelzebub.

1 Peter 5:8KJV
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Really… When and Where on Earth is Jesus standing while He is destroying the unsaved and wicked.
Scripture please.

Where is Jesus Standing ON Earth while He is Dissolving the Earth by Fire?
The End? Bummer.

Scripture please.

When Jesus returns his eternal feet will touch the Mount Of Olives and in the twinkling of an eye the resurrection of all, final judgement, and the heavens and earth are dissolved (Eternity Begins) lak of fire for the unsaved wicked, new heavens, earth, Jerusalem for the righteous believers

Jesus Is The Lord

 

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Colissians 1:13KJV
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Do you think you are NOW in the Sons Kingdom?

When Jesus returns his eternal feet will touch the Mount Of Olives

Returns From Where?
Who is With Him?

 

[Truth7t7]

Do you think you are NOW in the Sons Kingdom?

All those who presently are sealed by the Holy Spirit, who's name's are written in the Lambs book of life, yes I believe im presently in the Kingdom of Jesus Christ, who rules his Kingdom presently from the right hand of the Father

Returns From Where?

Jesus returns to this earth from the his throne on the right hand of the father

Who is With Him?

The righteous saints and angels

 

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Those seen below are believing (Souls) they were beheaded for their testimony in Jesus and God's word, they live and reign in the Lord's spiritual realm waiting upon (The Last Day) resurrection of all, those who have died in faith are children of the living

I agree the martyred souls John sees were beheaded for their faithfulness unto death. But John writes they "lived and reigned" with Christ a thousand years (past tense). Wouldn't you agree they were martyred for their faithfulness while mortally/physically alive? IOW they lived and reigned a thousand years while physically alive. A thousand years symbolizing TIME but not ONE thousand physical years. Within the symbolic thousand years they were martyred for their faith, and in death John sees them as disembodied living souls in heaven because death did not end the eternal life in Christ, they obtained by grace through faith when they were physically alive. These martyred souls had to be physically alive before martyrdom or they would not have been beheaded for their faithfulness to God.

I do agree they lived and reigned with Christ in the spiritual realm through the Spirit of Christ in them from the moment they believed in Christ and were born again of His Spirit. Not only have they lived and reigned with Christ in time (symbolically a thousand years), after death they continue to live and reign with Christ in the spiritual realm of heaven the spiritual body called living souls.

 

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All those who presently are sealed by the Holy Spirit, who's name's are written in the Lambs book of life, yes I believe im presently in the Kingdom of Jesus Christ, who rules his Kingdom presently from the right hand of the Father

I agree. Because presently born-again Christians live and reign with Christ spiritually, not physically. The Kingdom of God Christ came with is the spiritual Kingdom of God within believers; it is not of this earth and can only be known and entered by whosoever has been born again. We spiritually enter the Kingdom of God in TIME (symbolized a/the thousand years), and when the last/seventh trumpet begins to sound this time shall be no longer, all who are spiritually living and reigning with Christ in the spiritual Kingdom of God through Christ's Spirit in us, will be bodily raised with immortal and incorruptible body as man was created in the beginning when God created Adam.

 

[Truth7t7]

I agree the martyred souls John sees were beheaded for their faithfulness unto death. But John writes they "lived and reigned" with Christ a thousand years (past tense). Wouldn't you agree they were martyred for their faithfulness while mortally/physically alive? IOW they lived and reigned a thousand years while physically alive. A thousand years symbolizing TIME but not ONE thousand physical years. Within the symbolic thousand years they were martyred for their faith, and in death John sees them as disembodied living souls in heaven because death did not end the eternal life in Christ, they obtained by grace through faith when they were physically alive. These martyred souls had to be physically alive before martyrdom or they would not have been beheaded for their faithfulness to God.

I do agree they lived and reigned with Christ in the spiritual realm through the Spirit of Christ in them from the moment they believed in Christ and were born again of His Spirit. Not only have they lived and reigned with Christ in time (symbolically a thousand years), after death they continue to live and reign with Christ in the spiritual realm of heaven the spiritual body called living souls.

We agree that "Thousand Years" is symbolic, you somewhat want to bring these words to a literal representation from the time of Jesus to the end representing 2,000+ literal years of church history and tribulation (100% Wrong)

Conclusion: You deny that seen below as future literal, the beheaded souls of the saints will come out of this future 3.5 year great tribulation you deny will take place, the words (Thousand Years) means nothing more than a explanation to mortal humans of God's time in the spiritual being eternal

Future, Literal, That You Deny Will Take Place?

There will be a future time of great tribulation, it will last for 3.5 literal years upon this earth, there will be a future human man who will be John's (The Beast), in the future there will be (Two Witness) who will bring literal plagues upon this earth, they have literal physical bodies that die and will lay in a literal Jerusalem street as the unsaved world celebrates their death exchanging literal gifts, they will be raised from the dead as a literal world watches as the final hours of earth's existence unfolds

 

[JimKnox]

Here's a link to an article describing the 1000 years.

Amazing Discoveries

We don't believe the doctrines of Ellen White and the Seventh Day Adventists.

I don't even have to click your link.
SDA like to HIDE their identity behind things like 3 Angels Network, Amazing Discoveries and other such deceptions.

 

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We agree that "Thousand Years" is symbolic, you somewhat want to bring these words to a literal representation from the time of Jesus to the end representing 2,000+ literal years of church history and tribulation (100% Wrong)

Time, which a/the thousand years symbolizes is given to earth, but time does not exist in eternity, which the realm of heaven is. Yes, within a thousand years is when all who have been born again live and reign with Christ during our physical life and continue to live and reign with Him a spiritual body when we physically die, many during this time shall be martyred for their faith.

And this is the same symbolic period of time that Satan is bound. There is no exact number of years, rather a/the thousand years symbolically refers to however long it takes for the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven to be complete as the Gospel of the Kingdom of God is proclaimed to all the nations of the world, and whosoever believes is born again of the Spirit both knowing and entering into the Kingdom of God that is within born again believers. Yes, to date, a thousand years represents TIME from the first coming of Christ that will end when the last/seventh trumpet sounds the Kingdom of God (mystery) is complete. (Rev 10:5-7)

Conclusion: You deny that seen below as future literal, the beheaded souls of the saints will come out of this future 3.5 year great tribulation you deny will take place, the words (Thousand Years) means nothing more than a explanation to mortal humans of God's time in the spiritual being eternal

The martyred souls never return to physical life within this time symbolized a thousand years. They are forever with Christ in eternity, the spiritual body, living souls waiting in heaven for the Kingdom of God to be complete, at which time the final trumpet will begin to sound that this time, symbolized a/the thousand years has ended and Satan will be set free for a "little season." After Satan has his little season, the saints still physically alive, as well as those physically dead will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air, and fire will come down from God out of heaven to burn up all that is still left alive on the earth, the devil and those with him, beast and false prophet cast alive into the lake of fire and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Why are you limiting great tribulation to 3.5 years? Because Christ tells his disciples from the Mt of Olives that great tribulation will come to the saints as the Gospel of the Kingdom of God is proclaimed unto all the nations of the world.

Matthew 24:14 (KJV) And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Matthew 24:21 (KJV) For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Great tribulation began for faithful saints in the first century AD, and multitudes throughout the ages have been martyred as the Kingdom of God is being built.

Future, Literal, That You Deny Will Take Place?

First you said thousand years are symbolic, now are you saying thousand years will be literal in the future?

There will be a future time of great tribulation, it will last for 3.5 literal years upon this earth, there will be a future human man who will be John's (The Beast), in the future there will be (Two Witness) who will bring literal plagues upon this earth, they have literal physical bodies that die and will lay in a literal Jerusalem street as the unsaved world celebrates their death exchanging literal gifts, they will be raised from the dead as a literal world watches as the final hours of earth's existence unfolds

Why would you deny great tribulation has already come for many saints of the past who have been martyred for their faith? How can you place great tribulation to 3.5 years in the future since many born again believers have been, are being, and shall continue to suffer great tribulation for being faithful to Christ? It seems you lack understanding of the two witnesses and all that unfolds as they preach the Gospel of the Kingdom of God through Christ unto all the nations of the world during this time symbolized a/the thousand years.