Right. But it would have felt instant for him if we assume he wasn't aware of anything while he was dead.
If you believe Jesus is God, then yes, he did say that he wanted to die for mankind's sins.
Yes. He had a human body.
How can there be life after death?
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Yes.
Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God.
That’s heresy. Jesus was never a human person in the theology affirmed by the majority of Christians (i.e. trinitarianism). If you had made your comment in the Middle Ages you would have been tortured and, if you refused to recant, burned at the stake. Did you know that?
Do you believe God died?
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But what does that mean?
It's biology. In order for Jesus to die, he had to be, at least in part, human. In order to rise from the dead, one must first be dead.
Yes, I'm sure they would have got me for something or other eventually.
I don't know. Many Christians believe he did. I've always found the idea of the trinity confusing.
It means God is his father.
If I recall correctly (and I might not), you attended a Baptist Church when you were younger. An article from a Baptist theologian for your consideration:
Was Christ a Divine-Human Person? | Reasonable Faith
Dear Dr. Craig I have read many of your books, regularly listen to your podcasts, and have heard you speak in-person. I am trying to untangle a question, and I need your help. I need clarification abo...
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The bad old days. They won’t do that to you now.
It’s an important thing that we all need to know.
R.C. Sproul explains why God did not die on the cross:
R.C. Sproul: Did God Die on the Cross?
The famous hymn of the church "And Can it Be?" contains a line that asks a very poignant question: "How can it be that thou, my God, shouldst die for me?" Is it accurate to say that God died on the cross?
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You should find a good teacher to help you understand the doctrine.
Was Jesus created? Was it before or after humanity? If he isn't a god, what is he?
Some would if they still had the power.
Everybody has a different interpretation of the doctrine. Just look at all the different denominations out there.
Jesus was begotten. By God.
Circa 4 BC.
Scripture assigns multiple titles to him. Do you think he is a god?
I think that’s probably true.
Ask them if it is or isn’t the historical doctrine.
So there was a time when Jesus did not exist? Many of the Christians I've spoken to over the years believe Jesus and God have both always existed.
He would have to be by definition if we believe the miracles actually did happen. Of course, we then get into the problem of a god dying.
How will I know of they're telling me the truth?
What was it in what I said that caused you to ask that?
God and God? Who is God?
In trinitarian theology, he isn’t a god.
The testimony of scripture is that the miracles actually did happen. Now we are back to the issue of evidence. And if we aren’t going to believe the Bible, what are we even doing here?
God cannot die. God didn’t die. The Son of God could die. The Son of God did die. And that brings us back to the question of immortal soul or resurrection.
Compare what you are told with the historical doctrine. It will either match it or deviate from it.
That takes us back to the Council of Chalcedon, 451 AD.
Does Christianity ask him to?
It's a question I've always had about Christianity. Jesus is a character that contradicts the reality we live in. Even our definitions seem to be inadequate when evaluating his nature.
The word begotten.
The trinity. He is three in one, or so I've been told.
That contradicts my knowledge of the trinity.
No, that's not what I meant. We're having this discussion within the context of the miracles having actually occurred and being historically accurate.
But what if God wanted top experience death? Are you saying the creator of the universe has hard limits?
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Would you even be able to understand the answer?
Either way, would it keep you from following Jesus?
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Excellent. That is the very word that should have caused you to ask the question.
What does it mean to be begotten?
So when you hear or read “God” you hear or read “the Trinity”?
In post #168 you wrote, “Jesus and God.”
Jesus and the Trinity?
Who told you that? Did the Bible tell you that?
You should ask this: Is the Trinity a god and a god and a god?
A trinitarian knowledgable of the doctrine will tell you that the Trinity is God, not a god and a god and a god.
That’s theoretical. You told me in another thread that the NT writers aren’t reliable and there is no evidence.
Does God say anywhere in the Bible that he wants to experience death? That he longs to do what he cannot do?
Yes. He is self-limiting.
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Questions about God's nature seem to be more, "What is God?"
"I'll take historical creeds for $400."
Questions about God's nature seem to be more, "What is God?"
"I'll take historical creeds for $400."
I’ve been campaigning for years to have churches teach the creeds to their congregations.
What might happen if they did?
Alarm. Alarm.
The fact that we have to go back to the Council of Chalcedon rather than to the Bible to answer the question should set off an alarm.
To be born of, to be created, etc.
No, God registers as singular to me. But I was originally instructed by an evangelical pastor that the trinity, which includes God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, are all manifestations of the same god that exist together in heaven.
Right, that's what I'm getting at. You have to understand that theology is not my field. So I may get the context wrong.
The discussion wandered from historical reliability to the nature of Jesus. If we're going to have that discussion, it should be within the context that what is reported about him in the bible is true.
No.
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