Why Christians Call Mary the Mother of God.

[Taken]

What are you trying to say?? Riddles??

Your Carnal Mind perceives foolish riddles, regarding a Spiritual conversation…

1 Cor 2:
[14] But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[beechan]

Mary gave birth to a human Body

At the moment of birth. Jesus left his heavenly abode. set aside his pride. and entered that body.

Again, mother of God is a pagan term.

This is not what you said here:


So is Jesus God, or just an ordinary human flesh?
Make up your mind..please.

 

[Taken]

Mary gave birth to a human Body

Nope.. (don’t fall for common misrepretation)
An offspring in the “likeness as a man”, in a body God Prepared…

Humans come from dust of the Earth.
Jesus, Gods Word came forth out of Gods mouth. Isa 55:11)

Glory to God
Taken

 

[Taken]

Jesus parable in Mastthew is speaking of a feast on earth, hosted by a King.

Yep that is What I said, on Earth…!

Don't twist the contents to suit your own explanation.

Don't blame me because you can not understand what I said.

 

[Taken]

Heaven should hire more securities at the gate.

The feast is ON Earth.. nothing to do with mortals sneaking into heaven.

 

[beechan]

The feast is ON Earth.. nothing to do with mortals sneaking into heaven.

Re-write your #295 to make your message clear.

 

[Moonwood]

BTW, the Bible says
God the father. Son. Holy spirit are one, not Trinity.
Adam and Eve are one.not Trinity.
Adam is part of a married couple.
Eve is part of Adam,come from Adam's bone and flesh.

Holy spirit and son come from God.
We all come from God.
No matter Adam and Eve.....We should be one,but we never be God.

Adam and Eve being "one flesh" (Genesis 2:24) does not make them one being. They remain two separate human persons. Likewise, saying the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are "one" is not automatically the same as saying they are merely united creatures.

The key question is: How does Scripture describe the Holy Spirit?

Jesus commanded His apostles to baptize "in the name (singular) of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" (Matthew 28:19). The text places the Holy Spirit alongside the Father and the Son within a single divine name, not among created beings.

Furthermore, in Acts 5, Peter tells Ananias that he has "lied to the Holy Spirit" and then immediately says, "You have not lied to men but to God." The Holy Spirit is the one lied to, yet Peter says the lie was directed to God. If the Holy Spirit were merely a created being like Adam or Eve, why would Scripture identify lying to the Holy Spirit with lying to God?

Also, Adam and Eve were created. The Son existed before creation ("In the beginning was the Word," John 1:1), and the Holy Spirit is present and active from the opening verses of Genesis. The Bible never explicitly calls the Holy Spirit a created being.

Therefore, the issue is not whether the word "Trinity" appears in the Bible. It does not. The issue is whether the Bible presents the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as sharing the divine identity. Many Christians conclude that it does, and Matthew 28:19 is one of the reasons why.

 

[Moonwood]

Jesus was God long before Mary was even born...

Jesus was God long before Mary was born. The eternal Word did not begin to exist in Mary's womb. As Scripture says, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" (John 1:1).
A common misunderstanding is to confuse Incarnation with creation.

• Creation means bringing something into existence that did not previously exist.
• Incarnation means an already-existing divine Person taking on a human nature.

Therefore, Jesus was not created in Mary's womb. Rather, the eternal Son of God became flesh and entered human history through Mary. "The Word became flesh and dwelt among us" (John 1:14).
Mary did not create God the Word. She conceived and gave birth to God the Word Incarnate. The Incarnation marks the beginning of Christ's human life, not the beginning of His divine existence.
Scripture teaches all of the following:

• Jesus is God (John 1:1; John 20:28; Titus 2:13; Hebrews 1:8).
• Mary conceived and gave birth to Jesus (Luke 1:31; Luke 2:6-7).
• Elizabeth called Mary "the mother of my Lord" (Luke 1:43).
• Mary is called the mother of Jesus (John 2:1; Acts 1:14).
• Jesus is the fruit of Mary's womb (Luke 1:42).

None of these verses say that Mary created God or existed before God. Rather, they teach that the eternal Son of God took on a true human nature through her.

Christians do not believe Mary is the origin, source, or creator of God. They believe that the eternal Son, who already existed before creation itself, was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary.

Mary gave birth to Jesus because He became man through her. She did not create Jesus' divinity because His divinity is eternal. That is the difference between Creation and Incarnation.

Mary gave birth to a human Body

At the moment of birth. Jesus left his heavenly abode. set aside his pride. and entered that body.

Again, mother of God is a pagan term.

Your position actually creates a bigger problem than the one you're trying to avoid.

You say Mary only gave birth to a human body and that Jesus entered that body at birth. But Scripture teaches that the one conceived in Mary's womb was already the Son of God before His birth.

• The angel told Mary, "you will conceive in your womb and bear a son" (Luke 1:31).
• Elizabeth, while Jesus was still in Mary's womb, called Mary "the mother of my Lord" (Luke 1:43).
• John the Baptist leaped in Elizabeth's womb at the presence of Jesus in Mary's womb (Luke 1:41-44).

Scripture never says that the Word entered a merely human body at the moment of birth. Rather, it says:

"The Word became flesh" (John 1:14).

The Word did not merely inhabit a human body. He became man.

Hebrews 10:5 says, "a body you prepared for me," but it does not say Christ was absent from that body until birth. In fact, the incarnation began at conception when Mary conceived by the Holy Spirit (Luke 1:35).

Also, mothers do not give birth merely to bodies. Mothers give birth to persons. Mary did not give birth to a nature, a body, or a shell. She gave birth to Jesus Christ, who is one divine Person with two natures, divine and human.

As for the phrase "Mother of God" being pagan, the question is simple:

Was the person born of Mary God the Son?

If yes, then Mary is the mother of God the Son according to His human birth.

If no, then the person born of Mary was not God the Son.

There is no middle position where Jesus is God, Mary is His mother, yet Mary is not the mother of the Person who is God.

The title "Mother of God" means Mother of God the Word Incarnate, not originator of God's divine nature. Mary did not create God; She gave birth to the eternal Word who became man (John 1:14). Thus, as Elizabeth declared, She is "the mother of my Lord" (Luke 1:43). The title affirms who Jesus is, not where God came from.

In other words, Mary is not the mother of the Father, the Holy Spirit, or the divine nature itself. She is the mother of God the Word incarnate, because the Person born of Her is the eternal Son of God Who became man. She did not give divinity to Jesus, but She did give birth to Jesus, and Jesus is God.

 

[Moonwood]

Time to stop and think according to the WORD that was GOD and became flesh

#1 - The WORD that was GOD from the beginning has no "beginning nor end"

#2 - The WORD pre-ceeded entering a "body prepared for HIM" by at least Eternity.

#3 - The WORD that was GOD created "ALL things" = thus HE created the body inside Mary for HIM to enter into the world thru

#4 - Mary could never create GOD

#5 - Hebrews 10:5 = a body was prepared inside Mary's womb for the WORD that was GOD to clothe Himself in flesh and blood

#6 - Elizabeth needed a SAVIOR and her SAVIOR is the LORD Jesus Christ

#7 - Mary needed a SAVIOR and her SAVIOR is the LORD Jesus Christ

#8 - Mary prayed for forgiveness to her LORD & SAVIOR = Jesus Christ the LORD

I agree that Mary did not create God, and no Christian doctrine says She did. God the Son is eternal, without beginning or end (John 1:1-3). The title "Mother of God" does not mean Mary is the source of Christ's divinity or existed before God. It means that the Person She conceived and bore is God the Son incarnate.

Hebrews 10:5 says, "a body you prepared for me." The one speaking is the pre-existent Son who took on a human nature. Christians agree that the eternal Word existed before Mary and created all things (John 1:3; Colossians 1:16).

The question is not, "Did Mary create God?" Of course not.
The question is, "Who was born of Mary?" Scripture answers:

• The one conceived in Her womb is the Word made flesh (John 1:14).
• Elizabeth calls Mary "the mother of my Lord" (Luke 1:43).
• Mary is the mother of Jesus (John 2:1; Acts 1:14).
• Jesus is called God (John 1:1; John 20:28; Titus 2:13; Hebrews 1:8).

Therefore, if Jesus is God and Mary is the mother of Jesus, then Mary is the Mother of God in the biblical sense: the mother of the divine Person who became man.

Christians also agree that Mary needed a Savior (Luke 1:46-47). Being the Mother of God does not make Her divine, eternal, or equal to God. It simply protects the truth that the child born of Her was not a human person separate from God, but God the Son Himself come in the flesh.

So the real issue is this: Was the one born of Mary merely a human person, or was He God the Son incarnate? If He was God the Son incarnate, then Elizabeth's words, "the mother of my Lord" (Luke 1:43), and the historic Christian title "Mother of God" follow naturally from Scripture.

 

[David in NJ]

Therefore, if Jesus is God and Mary is the mother of Jesus, then Mary is the Mother of God in the biblical sense: the mother of the divine Person who became man.

You erred here - GREATLY

Please review carefully - thank you and let me know if you can SEE the false conclusion

 

[Moonwood]

Therefore, if Jesus is God and Mary is the mother of Jesus, then Mary is the Mother of God in the biblical sense: the mother of the divine Person who became man.

You erred here - GREATLY

Please review carefully - thank you and let me know if you can SEE the false conclusion

You believe I erred in calling Mary the Mother of God the Word Incarnate? Let's see if I did by referring to Scripture:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" (John 1:1).
"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us" (John 1:14).

These verses establish that the Word is eternal and divine. The Word was not created. Rather, at a point in history, the eternal Word took on a human nature and became man. How did God the Word become man? Through the Incarnation. The eternal Word was conceived in Mary's womb by the power of the Holy Spirit and was born of Her. Incarnation is not the same as creation. Creation means bringing into existence something that did not previously exist. Incarnation means an already-existing divine Person taking on a human nature.

Therefore, Mary did not create God the Word. The Word existed before Mary, before Abraham, and before creation itself. What Mary did was conceive and give birth to the eternal Word made flesh. We call the woman who conceives and gives birth to a child that child's mother. We do the same for every human being and even for animals that bear their young. Scripture repeatedly calls Mary the mother of Jesus, and Scripture also teaches that Jesus is God. Elizabeth therefore said to Mary, "Why is this granted to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?" (Luke 1:43). So when I say that Mary is the Mother of God, I am not saying Mary is the origin of God, the source of God's divinity, or older than God. I am saying that the Person She conceived, carried, and gave birth to is God the Word Incarnate.

If you believe this conclusion is false, which premise do you reject?

1. The Word is God.
2. The Word became flesh.
3. Mary conceived and gave birth to Jesus.
4. Jesus is God the Word made flesh.

Because if all four premises are true, then calling Mary the mother of the Incarnate Word is not an error. It is simply the consequence of the Incarnation.

 

[beechan]

You erred here - GREATLY

Please review carefully - thank you and let me know if you can SEE the false conclusion

You tell us specifically what is the error you have spotted?
Don't just SHOUT, act like a mature debater, not noise maker!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

This is not what you said here:
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So is Jesus God, or just an ordinary human flesh?
Make up your mind..please.

I am sorry you have problems understanding people.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Nope.. (don’t fall for common misrepretation)
An offspring in the “likeness as a man”, in a body God Prepared…

Humans come from dust of the Earth.
Jesus, Gods Word came forth out of Gods mouth. Isa 55:11)

Glory to God
Taken

Adam came from the dust.

He did come in likeness of man, his body is just as human as ours. just not tainted with the sin nature.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yep that is What I said, on Earth…!

Don't blame me because you can not understand what I said.

seems to be a habit

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jesus was God long before Mary was born. The eternal Word did not begin to exist in Mary's womb. As Scripture says, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" (John 1:1).
A common misunderstanding is to confuse Incarnation with creation.

• Creation means bringing something into existence that did not previously exist.
• Incarnation means an already-existing divine Person taking on a human nature.

Therefore, Jesus was not created in Mary's womb. Rather, the eternal Son of God became flesh and entered human history through Mary. "The Word became flesh and dwelt among us" (John 1:14).
Mary did not create God the Word. She conceived and gave birth to God the Word Incarnate. The Incarnation marks the beginning of Christ's human life, not the beginning of His divine existence.
Scripture teaches all of the following:

• Jesus is God (John 1:1; John 20:28; Titus 2:13; Hebrews 1:8).
• Mary conceived and gave birth to Jesus (Luke 1:31; Luke 2:6-7).
• Elizabeth called Mary "the mother of my Lord" (Luke 1:43).
• Mary is called the mother of Jesus (John 2:1; Acts 1:14).
• Jesus is the fruit of Mary's womb (Luke 1:42).

None of these verses say that Mary created God or existed before God. Rather, they teach that the eternal Son of God took on a true human nature through her.

Christians do not believe Mary is the origin, source, or creator of God. They believe that the eternal Son, who already existed before creation itself, was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary.

Mary gave birth to Jesus because He became man through her. She did not create Jesus' divinity because His divinity is eternal. That is the difference between Creation and Incarnation.



Your position actually creates a bigger problem than the one you're trying to avoid.

You say Mary only gave birth to a human body and that Jesus entered that body at birth. But Scripture teaches that the one conceived in Mary's womb was already the Son of God before His birth.

• The angel told Mary, "you will conceive in your womb and bear a son" (Luke 1:31).
• Elizabeth, while Jesus was still in Mary's womb, called Mary "the mother of my Lord" (Luke 1:43).
• John the Baptist leaped in Elizabeth's womb at the presence of Jesus in Mary's womb (Luke 1:41-44).

Scripture never says that the Word entered a merely human body at the moment of birth. Rather, it says:

"The Word became flesh" (John 1:14).

The Word did not merely inhabit a human body. He became man.

Hebrews 10:5 says, "a body you prepared for me," but it does not say Christ was absent from that body until birth. In fact, the incarnation began at conception when Mary conceived by the Holy Spirit (Luke 1:35).

Also, mothers do not give birth merely to bodies. Mothers give birth to persons. Mary did not give birth to a nature, a body, or a shell. She gave birth to Jesus Christ, who is one divine Person with two natures, divine and human.

As for the phrase "Mother of God" being pagan, the question is simple:

Was the person born of Mary God the Son?

If yes, then Mary is the mother of God the Son according to His human birth.

If no, then the person born of Mary was not God the Son.

There is no middle position where Jesus is God, Mary is His mother, yet Mary is not the mother of the Person who is God.

The title "Mother of God" means Mother of God the Word Incarnate, not originator of God's divine nature. Mary did not create God; She gave birth to the eternal Word who became man (John 1:14). Thus, as Elizabeth declared, She is "the mother of my Lord" (Luke 1:43). The title affirms who Jesus is, not where God came from.

In other words, Mary is not the mother of the Father, the Holy Spirit, or the divine nature itself. She is the mother of God the Word incarnate, because the Person born of Her is the eternal Son of God Who became man. She did not give divinity to Jesus, but She did give birth to Jesus, and Jesus is God.

Jesus walked with adam, He spoke to Moses in a burning bush.. Jesus has always been a part of human history

 

[Moonwood]

Jesus walked with adam, He spoke to Moses in a burning bush.. Jesus has always been a part of human history

Correct. God the Word, the Second Person of the One Triune God, has always existed eternally. He appeared and acted throughout salvation history long before Mary was born.

But He was not always incarnate.

That is precisely what the Incarnation means. The eternal Word did not begin to exist in Mary; rather, the eternal Word became flesh (John 1:14).
A common misunderstanding is to confuse Creation with Incarnation:

• Creation means bringing something into existence that did not previously exist.
• Incarnation means an already-existing divine Person taking on a human nature.

Before the Incarnation, the Son existed eternally as God. At the Incarnation, He assumed a true human nature from Mary without ceasing to be God.
So Christians are not saying Mary gave existence to the eternal Word. Rather, God the Word, the Second Person of the One Triune God, took His humanity from Mary and was born of Her.
That is why Christians call Mary the Mother of God the Word Incarnate. Not because She is the source of His divinity, but because the Person She bore is the eternal Son of God in the flesh.

The real question remains: Was the one in Mary's womb God the Son or not?

Elizabeth answered yes when, before Jesus was even born, she called Mary "the mother of my Lord" (Luke 1:43). And John answered yes when he wrote, "the Word became flesh" (John 1:14), not "the Word entered a body at birth." Therefore, Mary is not the mother of God the Father, nor God the Holy Spirit, nor the source of the divine nature itself. She is the mother of God the Word Incarnate, the eternal Son, who took His human nature from Her and was born into the world through Her.

Mary did not create God the Word. She conceived and gave birth to God the Word Incarnate. The Incarnation marks the beginning of Christ's human life, not the beginning of His divine existence.

 

[David in NJ]

You believe I erred in calling Mary the Mother of God the Word Incarnate? Let's see if I did by referring to Scripture:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" (John 1:1).
"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us" (John 1:14).

These verses establish that the Word is eternal and divine. The Word was not created. Rather, at a point in history, the eternal Word took on a human nature and became man. How did God the Word become man? Through the Incarnation. The eternal Word was conceived in Mary's womb by the power of the Holy Spirit and was born of Her. Incarnation is not the same as creation. Creation means bringing into existence something that did not previously exist. Incarnation means an already-existing divine Person taking on a human nature.

Therefore, Mary did not create God the Word. The Word existed before Mary, before Abraham, and before creation itself. What Mary did was conceive and give birth to the eternal Word made flesh. We call the woman who conceives and gives birth to a child that child's mother. We do the same for every human being and even for animals that bear their young. Scripture repeatedly calls Mary the mother of Jesus, and Scripture also teaches that Jesus is God. Elizabeth therefore said to Mary, "Why is this granted to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?" (Luke 1:43). So when I say that Mary is the Mother of God, I am not saying Mary is the origin of God, the source of God's divinity, or older than God. I am saying that the Person She conceived, carried, and gave birth to is God the Word Incarnate.

If you believe this conclusion is false, which premise do you reject?

1. The Word is God.
2. The Word became flesh.
3. Mary conceived and gave birth to Jesus.
4. Jesus is God the Word made flesh.

Because if all four premises are true, then calling Mary the mother of the Incarnate Word is not an error. It is simply the consequence of the Incarnation.

Nowhere in Scripture is Mary called 'the mother of God'

 

[BreadOfLife]

Then “falsely ASSURES the Catholic…
“movement” toward the Graven images, is Not Worshiping the image”…(they were told to Not Errect)…

Maybe it’s just that most Catholics are just SMARTER than you and are able to discern between using an image to remind them of God or a particular saint – and WORSHIPPING them . . .

“”The Christian veneration of images is not contrary to the first commandment which proscribes idols. Indeed, "the honor rendered to an image passes to its prototype," and "whoever venerates an image venerates the person portrayed in it."70 The honor paid to sacred images is a "respectful veneration," not the adoration due to God alone: Religious worship is not directed to images in themselves, considered as mere things, but under their distinctive aspect as images leading us on to God incarnate. The movement toward the image does not terminate in it as image, but tends toward that whose image it is.“”
“”St. Basil, De Spiritu Sancto 18,45G 32,149C; Council of Nicaea II: DS 601; cf. Council of Trent: DS 1821-1825; Vatican Council II: SC 126; LG 67,71
St. Thomas Aquinas, STh II-II,81,3 ad 3.””
Councils of Catholic men…Omitting, Falsely Dividing, Defying, Twisting…IS Not The Lord Gods Truth or Way.

Absolutely TRUE . . .

I suggest you don’t go to Washington DC where CONTLESS monuments are venerated.
- Every time a Protestant calls his Pastor, “Rev. So-and-So” – this is veneration.
- Applauding for graduating students is veneration.
- Athletes are venerated at every Olympic Games award ceremony.
- Every time an award is given out for ANYTHING – they are being venerated.
- Veterans are venerated every year in July 4th and Veteran’s Day parades.

Sooooo – is EVERYBODY doomed to Hell for “idolatry” because they show respect?
Veneration simply means to show respect.

Pick up a dictionary once in a while . . .

Your prerogative as with every Catholic, to Trust, Believe, Follow, Mimic, protocols, devised doctrines, devised traditions of councils of Catholic men.

Absolutely, especially when Jesus has guaranteed that the Holy Spirit is leading the Church to ALL truth.

What He DIDN’T guarantees is that those who abandon His Church are being led to ALL truth by the Holy Spirit . . .

And my prerogative to Disagree and Reject..

EVERYTHING is your prerogative. It’s even YOUR prerogative to consider that Jesus is a “LIAR” when He guaranteed that His Church would never succumb to darkness . . .

Do Not Call on the Dead
Lev. 19:31

That’s NOT what this verse says, my dishonest friend . . .
It says:
Lev. 19:31
You must not turn to mediums or spiritists; do not seek them out, or you will be defiled by them. I am the LORD your God.

The dead know nothing.
Eph 9:5

Funny – MY Bible tells us that NOBODY in Heaven in the eternal presence of Almighty God is “dead” . .

2 Cor 11: 14-15
Not a mystery…prayer TO God only, IN Jesus Name only.
1 Tim 2:5

Jesus is our only MEDIATOR because only HIS sacrifice can bring peace between us and the Father.
However, my Scripturally-challenged friend – we are ALL commanded to be INTERCESSORS for each other (James 5:16).
Rev. 5:8 shows the Elders in heaven bringing our prayers before God .
Rev. 8:3-4 speaks of the Angels in heaven doing the SAME thing.

And 2 Cor 11: 14-15 says NOTHING about ONLY praying to God in Jesus' name . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Let me put it another way: suppose aliens are all telepathic, as rumored, and communicate with one another in their minds—then are they each themselves, or are they a Trinity?

That’s a nonsensical and dishonest proposition because we’re talking about what the BIBLE says about the Trinity. The verse I showed you (Acts 5:3-4) literally equates the Holy Spirit with GOD.
It is completely SILENT about myth of space aliens and telepathic communication . . .

Speaking of GOD, it says:
Rev. 1:8
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "the one who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty".

Speaking of JESUS, it says:
Rev. 22:13
"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end".

Sooo – are there TWO Gods?? Are they BOTH the “Alpha and the Omega”?
OR, is it that you simply don't understand Scripture?