Will Satan Have A Get-Away Car?

[Sel@h]

Revelation 12:7-9 7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Greetings…

When Satan and his angels are kicked out of heaven, do you think this will be a literal form of celestial transport? …like some kind of flying saucers? ….or will they just do a free-falling kind of thing? What do you think? I personally think it’ll be some kind of flying spaceships. Actually, Ezekiel gives a pretty good description of those ships (although I’m sure Ezekiel had never seen a real spaceship before and this may account for the descriptions he gives).

Ezekiel 1:2-28 2 On the fifth [day] of the month, which [was] in the fifth year of King Jehoiachin’s captivity, 3 the word of the LORD came expressly to Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the River Chebar; and the hand of the LORD was upon him there. 4 Then I looked, and behold, a whirlwind was coming out of the north, a great cloud with raging fire engulfing itself; and brightness [was] all around it and radiating out of its midst like the color of amber, out of the midst of the fire. 5 Also from within it [came] the likeness of four living creatures. And this [was] their appearance: they had the likeness of a man. 6 Each one had four faces, and each one had four wings. 7 Their legs [were] straight, and the soles of their feet [were] like the soles of calves’ feet. They sparkled like the color of burnished bronze. 8 The hands of a man [were] under their wings on their four sides; and each of the four had faces and wings. 9 Their wings touched one another. [The creatures] did not turn when they went, but each one went straight forward. 10 As for the likeness of their faces, [each] had the face of a man; each of the four had the face of a lion on the right side, each of the four had the face of an ox on the left side, and each of the four had the face of an eagle. 11 Thus [were] their faces. Their wings stretched upward; two [wings] of each one touched one another, and two covered their bodies. 12 And each one went straight forward; they went wherever the spirit wanted to go, and they did not turn when they went. 13 As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance [was] like burning coals of fire, like the appearance of torches going back and forth among the living creatures. The fire was bright, and out of the fire went lightning. 14 And the living creatures ran back and forth, in appearance like a flash of lightning. 15 Now as I looked at the living creatures, behold, a wheel [was] on the earth beside each living creature with its four faces. 16 The appearance of the wheels and their workings [was] like the color of beryl, and all four had the same likeness. The appearance of their workings [was,] as it were, a wheel in the middle of a wheel. 17 When they moved, they went toward any one of four directions; they did not turn aside when they went. 18 As for their rims, they were so high they were awesome; and their rims [were] full of eyes, all around the four of them. 19 When the living creatures went, the wheels went beside them; and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up. 20 Wherever the spirit wanted to go, they went, [because ]there the spirit went; and the wheels were lifted together with them, for the spirit of the living creatures [was] in the wheels. 21 When those went, [these] went; when those stood, [these] stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up together with them, for the spirit of the living creatures [was] in the wheels. 22 The likeness of the firmament above the heads of the living creatures [was] like the color of an awesome crystal, stretched out over their heads. 23 And under the firmament their wings [spread out] straight, one toward another. Each one had two which covered one side, and each one had two which covered the other side of the body. 24 When they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of many waters, like the voice of the Almighty, a tumult like the noise of an army; and when they stood still, they let down their wings. 25 A voice came from above the firmament that [was] over their heads; whenever they stood, they let down their wings. 26 And above the firmament over their heads [was] the likeness of a throne, in appearance like a sapphire stone; on the likeness of the throne [was] a likeness with the appearance of a man high above it. 27 Also from the appearance of His waist and upward I saw, as it were, the color of amber with the appearance of fire all around within it; and from the appearance of His waist and downward I saw, as it were, the appearance of fire with brightness all around. 28 Like the appearance of a rainbow in a cloud on a rainy day, so [was] the appearance of the brightness all around it. This [was] the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. So when I saw [it,] I fell on my face, and I heard a voice of One speaking.

 

[quietthinker]

When Satan and his angels are kicked out of heaven, do you think this will be a literal form of celestial transport? …like some kind of flying saucers? ….or will they just do a free-falling kind of thing? What do you think? I personally think it’ll be some kind of flying spaceships. Actually, Ezekiel gives a pretty good description of those ships (although I’m sure Ezekiel had never seen a real spaceship before and this may account for the descriptions he gives).

Is it really thought that spiritual beings use or have need of space ships?

 

[pwg_jonathan]

interesting thought, but i'd lean the other way. scripture calls angels "ministering spirits" (Hebrews 1:14), so i don't think they need any kind of vehicle. i read "cast down" in Revelation 12 as losing their standing and access more than a literal flight.

 

[Taken]

Will Satan Have A Get-Away Car?​

Don’t believe so. No bling, (so to speak), to attract the eye of man.
Rather Just SENT by the power of God.

@Sel@h
Interesting post.

I do believe spirits ( holy and evil have “great” powers from God )
As well, I believe they can “appear in human and stranger forms”…and DO when it peeks the interest of men… with the goal, to draw men to such interest, God becomes “secondary”, “insignificant” or “irrelevant”.

Regarding “ufo’s” “ flying saucers / strange beings / lights”…
I believe “they exist”… have been seen, documented, and ARE the works of Demonic fallen Angels…and often DO capture a Great interest of some humans… and for some such humans … cause belief in God to waver or be flat out denied…

The power and deception Demonic fallen Angels possess and exhibit, IMO can not be underestimated.

We (humans) have ONE Body and ONE soul…that which Two Great Powers ARE Vying to capture the Allegiance of such.

Thanks for sharing.
Glory to God,
Taken

 

[shepherdsword]

Is it really thought that spiritual beings use or have need of space ships?

Ps 68:17
The chariots of God are twenty thousand...

 

[bro.tan]

Let's take a look at the end of Satan rein on earth in Revelation 20: 20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

So this is showing you how easy it is for God to deal with Satan, also that Satan had one last job before hitting the Lake of fire. Understand....God use Satan to go up side your head, when Satan not needed anymore, he goes into the Lake of fire.

In the scriptures it's written in Ecclesiastes 12: 3 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

 

[Davy]

Revelation 12:7-9 7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Greetings…

When Satan and his angels are kicked out of heaven, do you think this will be a literal form of celestial transport? …like some kind of flying saucers? ….or will they just do a free-falling kind of thing? What do you think? I personally think it’ll be some kind of flying spaceships. Actually, Ezekiel gives a pretty good description of those ships (although I’m sure Ezekiel had never seen a real spaceship before and this may account for the descriptions he gives).

I think spaceships is exactly... how he will come into our earthly dimension, with his angels.

The governments of the world are preparing its peoples for their coming I believe, and that's what all their hoopla with calling them 'aliens' is likely about. So how would an alien extra-terrestrial come? Using the very UAP type objects which whistleblowers have testified having seen.

I forget one of the head engineers at Skunkworks, Rich something; but he said over a decade ago that "We have the technology now to take ET home."

 

[Fred J]

Revelation 12:7-9 7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Greetings…

When Satan and his angels are kicked out of heaven, do you think this will be a literal form of celestial transport? …like some kind of flying saucers? ….or will they just do a free-falling kind of thing? What do you think? I personally think it’ll be some kind of flying spaceships. Actually, Ezekiel gives a pretty good description of those ships (although I’m sure Ezekiel had never seen a real spaceship before and this may account for the descriptions he gives).

Ezekiel 1:2-28 2 On the fifth [day] of the month, which [was] in the fifth year of King Jehoiachin’s captivity, 3 the word of the LORD came expressly to Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the River Chebar; and the hand of the LORD was upon him there. 4 Then I looked, and behold, a whirlwind was coming out of the north, a great cloud with raging fire engulfing itself; and brightness [was] all around it and radiating out of its midst like the color of amber, out of the midst of the fire. 5 Also from within it [came] the likeness of four living creatures. And this [was] their appearance: they had the likeness of a man. 6 Each one had four faces, and each one had four wings. 7 Their legs [were] straight, and the soles of their feet [were] like the soles of calves’ feet. They sparkled like the color of burnished bronze. 8 The hands of a man [were] under their wings on their four sides; and each of the four had faces and wings. 9 Their wings touched one another. [The creatures] did not turn when they went, but each one went straight forward. 10 As for the likeness of their faces, [each] had the face of a man; each of the four had the face of a lion on the right side, each of the four had the face of an ox on the left side, and each of the four had the face of an eagle. 11 Thus [were] their faces. Their wings stretched upward; two [wings] of each one touched one another, and two covered their bodies. 12 And each one went straight forward; they went wherever the spirit wanted to go, and they did not turn when they went. 13 As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance [was] like burning coals of fire, like the appearance of torches going back and forth among the living creatures. The fire was bright, and out of the fire went lightning. 14 And the living creatures ran back and forth, in appearance like a flash of lightning. 15 Now as I looked at the living creatures, behold, a wheel [was] on the earth beside each living creature with its four faces. 16 The appearance of the wheels and their workings [was] like the color of beryl, and all four had the same likeness. The appearance of their workings [was,] as it were, a wheel in the middle of a wheel. 17 When they moved, they went toward any one of four directions; they did not turn aside when they went. 18 As for their rims, they were so high they were awesome; and their rims [were] full of eyes, all around the four of them. 19 When the living creatures went, the wheels went beside them; and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up. 20 Wherever the spirit wanted to go, they went, [because ]there the spirit went; and the wheels were lifted together with them, for the spirit of the living creatures [was] in the wheels. 21 When those went, [these] went; when those stood, [these] stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up together with them, for the spirit of the living creatures [was] in the wheels. 22 The likeness of the firmament above the heads of the living creatures [was] like the color of an awesome crystal, stretched out over their heads. 23 And under the firmament their wings [spread out] straight, one toward another. Each one had two which covered one side, and each one had two which covered the other side of the body. 24 When they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of many waters, like the voice of the Almighty, a tumult like the noise of an army; and when they stood still, they let down their wings. 25 A voice came from above the firmament that [was] over their heads; whenever they stood, they let down their wings. 26 And above the firmament over their heads [was] the likeness of a throne, in appearance like a sapphire stone; on the likeness of the throne [was] a likeness with the appearance of a man high above it. 27 Also from the appearance of His waist and upward I saw, as it were, the color of amber with the appearance of fire all around within it; and from the appearance of His waist and downward I saw, as it were, the appearance of fire with brightness all around. 28 Like the appearance of a rainbow in a cloud on a rainy day, so [was] the appearance of the brightness all around it. This [was] the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. So when I saw [it,] I fell on my face, and I heard a voice of One speaking.

For example, similarly when the book of Revelation describes prophetically about beasts and horns, are they in the same form that shall appear and come to pass?

No.

i believe it's the same discription prophetically used for the angels in Heaven.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

 

[Fred J]

One thing we should take note of, that the age of deception, false signs and wonders, even from the false prophet of anti-Christ one day, will take place on earth.

The sort of form described of angel and so, even to wheels liken unto UFOs seen in plain sight, shall appear exactly in the false signs and wonders.

They are to deceive the world that the angels of GOD from Heaven have come, since there shall be also the doctrine demons to deceive. (2Corinthians11:14&15)

Satan and his angels were cast down to earth (Rev.12:9&12/20:3&8), after Jesus Christ ascended and sat down at the right hand of the divine Majesty on high. (Hebrew1:3end/Revelation12:10)

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

 

[Fred J]

Luke 10:
And He said to them, I saw Satan falling like a lightning from heaven.

Basically, he went from one dimension to another dimension in a 'flash', probably liken unto 'teleportation'.

Apparently, seems like he don't need a 'vessel' to me, something like a spaceship which can slow him down, malfunction and crashes.

On the other hand, Satan can never get away, nor from anything, nor even have a get away vehicle as an option. (Psalms ch.139)

We are dealing with ' ministering spirits'(Hebrews1:14) here, and they have no form, and unless they take one to appear to someone and speak.

Biblically, often they came in the form of 'man', and able to appear and likewise disappear in a moment or in a 'flash'.

No worries, i was also imaginative once but the Biblical truth maturing me progressively and surely.

Since also, GOD considers the wisdom of this world to be 'folly', for one to begin with is 'science fiction'.

It is by appearence 'fiction', but by the wisdom of this world, there's a possibility of these becoming real, since man have started working on it.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

 

[Anchorite]

I thought Satan and his 1/3 of the rebel angels were kicked out of heaven when he revolted against God.

He would not try to usurp God’s throne, then be allowed to hang around in heaven with his mutinous gang.

They are not in heaven, which is too pure for sin. They are on earth.

Ezekiel’s cosmic machine entity was no spaceship that demons might use, it was the presence of God.

 

[soberxp]

Is it really thought that spiritual beings use or have need of space ships?

Maybe it concerns the things of the second heaven, but excludes matters of the third heaven.

 

[Fred J]

I thought Satan and his 1/3 of the rebel angels were kicked out of heaven when he revolted against God.

He would not try to usurp God’s throne, then be allowed to hang around in heaven with his mutinous gang.

They are not in heaven, which is too pure for sin. They are on earth.

Ezekiel’s cosmic machine entity was no spaceship that demons might use, it was the presence of God.

For example again, in the book of Revelation prophetically, we have similar discription picturesquely of beasts, horns and a small horn etc.

But in reality and will come to pass on earth, is in form refferring to, anti-Christ a man, rulers and leaders of nations are men etc.

Therefore, it's the same describing the angels in Heaven picturesquely for our understanding, but in reality in that dimension they're not in the form described.

Probably describing about one's nature as created and assigned, rather than the outward appearance.

Even in the Gospel, 'parables' were used to what we see in our everyday lives picturesquely, describing as is liken unto the Kingdom of GOD in Heaven.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[quietthinker]

Maybe it concerns the things of the second heaven, but excludes matters of the third heaven.

1st Heaven….the sky and its clouds
2nd Heaven…..the stars and planets
3rd Heaven…..God’s and Angels dwelling

 

[Davy]

Satan and his angels were cast down to earth (Rev.12:9&12/20:3&8), after Jesus Christ ascended and sat down at the right hand of the divine Majesty on high. (Hebrew1:3end/Revelation12:10)

That's the consensus of men's traditions, but it's not true.

Satan is a 'heavenly'... being, so how can he ever be kicked out of that dimension, unless... he comes here on earth in PLAIN SIGHT in OUR earthly dimension. How is it then that Satan is still invisible to the naked eye? He wouldn't be if he actually was already cast out of the heavenly dimension.

Many have misinterpreted Scripture like John 12:31, John 14:30, and John 16:11. What Lord Jesus did at His cross was to 'seal' Satan's judgement and officially sentence him to the lake of fire, which sentence today still has not yet been carried out.

This is why throughout Bible history, Satan made many attempts to prevent Christ's birth. It was to try and prevent Christ from sealing Satan's judgement, for Satan had already been judged back when he first rebelled, and the lake of fire was prepared especially for him and his angels (Matt.25:41).

Lord Jesus in His Revelation especially pointed to Satan as the coming false-Messiah/Antichrist. That is who the "man of sin" will be. And Paul said he MUST be 'revealed' first before Jesus comes to gather His Church. The "strong delusion" and great apostasy Paul was pointing to will be because of Satan literally here on earth, IN PLAIN SIGHT, playing The Christ, Messiah, working great signs and lying wonders to deceive the whole earth, except for Christ's elect. And that... is when Satan will be literally 'cast out' of the heavenly dimension. God's parable about Satan in Ezekiel 28 using the "king of Tyrus" even reveals that Satan will be destroyed right here on this earth, by a fire that will burn from within him, turning him to ashes upon the earth in view of all that see him (See Ezekiel 28:18). How will we see that if Satan is still invisible and not in our earthly dimension?

 

[Fred J]

For example again, in the book of Revelation prophetically, we have similar discription picturesquely of beasts, horns and a small horn etc.

But in reality and will come to pass on earth, is in form refferring to, anti-Christ a man, rulers and leaders of nations are men etc.

Therefore, it's the same describing the angels in Heaven picturesquely for our understanding, but in reality in that dimension they're not in the form described.

Probably describing about one's nature as created and assigned, rather than the outward appearance.

Even in the Gospel, 'parables' were used to what we see in our everyday lives picturesquely, describing as is liken unto the Kingdom of GOD in Heaven.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ.

How shall i put it, thank you Holy Ghost in Jesus name.

For example in the same Holy Bible, scripture describes angels having 'wings' and many 'eyes'.

It doesn't mean that we're going to see the angel in that exact form.

But rather having 'wings' refers to this angels travels back and forth ministering as one's created and assigned.

And having 'many eyes' refers to one 'oversees' and 'witnesses', ministering in many areas and things.

Or, probably having many other assisting angels to the same duties, under one's authority.

 

[Davy]

How shall i put it, thank you Holy Ghost in Jesus name.

For example in the same Holy Bible, scripture describes angels having 'wings' and many 'eyes'.

It doesn't mean that we're going to see the angel in that exact form.

But rather having 'wings' refers to this angels travels back and forth ministering as one's created and assigned.

And having 'many eyes' refers to one 'oversees' and 'witnesses', ministering in many areas and things.

Or, probably having many other assisting angels to the same duties, under one's authority.

Satan and his angels coming to this earth, IN PLAIN SIGHT, is different though. ALL the angels have the image of man, by the way. So does Satan, and God showed that He made Satan the full pattern, meaning in beauty (See about the "king of Tyrus" in Ezekiel 28 which God uses as a type for Satan).

Nowhere in God's Word does it ever describe angels appearing on earth with 'wings'. Apostle Paul even told us to be mindful to entertain strangers, because some have entertained angels unaware. Satan will appear on earth with the image of man also, and he won't need a flesh body to do that. He will appear as himself, exactly how God created him.

So the idea of 'monsters' and 'aliens', gods with multiple arms and legs, etc., is not a Biblical idea at all.

 

[Fred J]

That's the consensus of men's traditions, but it's not true.

Satan is a 'heavenly'... being, so how can he ever be kicked out of that dimension, unless... he comes here on earth in PLAIN SIGHT in OUR earthly dimension. How is it then that Satan is still invisible to the naked eye? He wouldn't be if he actually was already cast out of the heavenly dimension.

Many have misinterpreted Scripture like John 12:31, John 14:30, and John 16:11. What Lord Jesus did at His cross was to 'seal' Satan's judgement and officially sentence him to the lake of fire, which sentence today still has not yet been carried out.

This is why throughout Bible history, Satan made many attempts to prevent Christ's birth. It was to try and prevent Christ from sealing Satan's judgement, for Satan had already been judged back when he first rebelled, and the lake of fire was prepared especially for him and his angels (Matt.25:41).

Lord Jesus in His Revelation especially pointed to Satan as the coming false-Messiah/Antichrist. That is who the "man of sin" will be. And Paul said he MUST be 'revealed' first before Jesus comes to gather His Church. The "strong delusion" and great apostasy Paul was pointing to will be because of Satan literally here on earth, IN PLAIN SIGHT, playing The Christ, Messiah, working great signs and lying wonders to deceive the whole earth, except for Christ's elect. And that... is when Satan will be literally 'cast out' of the heavenly dimension. God's parable about Satan in Ezekiel 28 using the "king of Tyrus" even reveals that Satan will be destroyed right here on this earth, by a fire that will burn from within him, turning him to ashes upon the earth in view of all that see him (See Ezekiel 28:18). How will we see that if Satan is still invisible and not in our earthly dimension?

Satan is spirit and invisible like every other angels, even when they're in this world, even he's referred to as the prince of the power of the air.

Even Jesus in the wilderness, there's no account that Satan came or was in a physical form talking to Jesus, but a serpent in the garden, i agree.

According to Ephesians ch. 6, we wrestle not against a physical form but rather an invisible formless of the Kingdom of darkness.

Even when Jesus was about to cast out the demons, they begged Him to allow them to possess the swines, since they didn't have a physicsl form themselves.

Satan is not anti-Christ a physical man, but a spirit and where he possess anti-Christ, since GOD punishes them individually.

 

[Fred J]

Satan and his angels coming to this earth, IN PLAIN SIGHT, is different though. ALL the angels have the image of man, by the way. So does Satan, and God showed that He made Satan the full pattern, meaning in beauty (See about the "king of Tyrus" in Ezekiel 28 which God uses as a type for Satan).

Rather they can take and come in the form of man but they're not man, for they're able to appear and dissappear.in a 'flash'.

On the other hand, Jesus truly became man, besides once He visited Abraham a man, meaning, then He's able to take or come in the form of man.

Nowhere in God's Word does it ever describe angels appearing on earth with 'wings'. Apostle Paul even told us to be mindful to entertain strangers, because some have entertained angels unaware. Satan will appear on earth with the image of man also, and he won't need a flesh body to do that. He will appear as himself, exactly how God created him.

So the idea of 'monsters' and 'aliens', gods with multiple arms and legs, etc., is not a Biblical idea at all.

Again, Satan is not anti-Christ, nor there's Biblical account satan came in the image of man.

 

[Davy]

Satan is spirit and invisible like every other angels, even when they're in this world, even he's referred to as the prince of the air.

The dimension of Spirit was always first... PRIOR to God's creation of this earth. Apostle John said that "God is a Spirit". Which version then, Hollywood's version? NO! Hollywood doesn't have a clue about what Spirit is.

All angels that appeared on earth in God's Word had the image of men. Yet they were not born in flesh bodies. It is because God had already created the angels before He created this earth. And that image of man originates from GOD's Own Image Likeness. Our Heavenly Father looks like us, and we look like Him and His Son Jesus Christ.

But a spirit per the Hollywood primitive mind viewpoint, doesn't involve the image of man necessarily, like apparitions, ghosts, goblins, and other stupid stuff men's traditions make up.

Thus you need to retract your statement that angels never appear on earth visibly.

Heb 13:2
2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
KJV

Even Jesus in the wilderness, there's no account that Satan came or was in a physical form talking to Jesus, but a serpent in the garden, i agree.

Where does God's Word say that it was a 'serpent' that tempted our Lord Jesus during His 40 days of fasting? It was Satan himself, METAPHORICALLY as "that old serpent", because that title is just a metaphorical title for Satan. It never meant that a literal snake is what tempted Eve. Satan's tempting Lord Jesus in Luke 4 was most likely in the Heavenly dimension of Spirit. God did create us with a 'spirit' also ya know, we are not just flesh only.

According to Ephesians ch. 6, we wrestle not against a physical form but rather an invisible formless of the Kingdom of darkness.

Yeah, of course, that's is for right now we do.

But when Satan and his angels get cast out of Heaven down to this earth IN PLAIN SIGHT for the "great tribulation", that will be a different time. Those still alive will actually see... him the way God created him, the full pattern God said, meaning the full pattern of beauty. Satan is coming first to play Messiah. Are you ready for that?