Denying the Lord

[RandyDawson]

When someone puts a gun to your head and tells you to renounce the Lord Jesus Christ or they will blow your brains out, is it OK to go ahead and renounce the Lord in that moment to save your life?

The Lord did say if we deny the Lord before men He will deny us before the Father - Matthew 10:33
But so many today claim all out future sins are already forgiven so they would believe it's OK to deny the Lord if need be to save out own lives in such a moment. So who is correct? These people, or the Lord?

Matthew 16:25
he that seeks to save his life will lose it

It's time to start addressing this in western nations because before long the liberals will turn full blown communists and seek to murder Christians and Jews. It's coming here...just like we've seen for decades in undeveloped nations.

 

[quietthinker]

When someone puts a gun to your head and tells you to renounce the Lord Jesus Christ or they will blow your brains out, is it OK to go ahead and renounce the Lord in that moment to save your life?

The Lord did say if we deny the Lord before men He will deny us before the Father - Matthew 10:33
But so many today claim all out future sins are already forgiven so they would believe it's OK to deny the Lord if need be to save out own lives in such a moment. So who is correct? These people, or the Lord?

Matthew 16:25
he that seeks to save his life will lose it

It's time to start addressing this in western nations because before long the liberals will turn full blown communists and seek to murder Christians and Jews. It's coming here...just like we've seen for decades in undeveloped nations.

Denial is far more subtle than a gun to the head.

 

[mailmandan]

In Matthew 10:33, "whoever denies me before men" describes an ongoing, settled posture of the heart. The Greek verb means to disown, refuse or repudiate, rather than an isolated weak moment out of fear/temporary failure like Peter's denial in Matthew 26:69-75.

 

[RandyDawson]

Denial is far more subtle than a gun to the head.

If the gunman says "deny Jesus as your Lord and Savior" and the person agrees to do so saying "I renounce Jesus as my Lord and Savior" they just denied the Lord before other people. That causes Jesus to deny this person before the Lord according to what Jesus said in Matthew 10:33.

Unless of course if Jesus lied about this and we can deny the Lord before people but Jesus does not deny us before the Lord, then that would make Jesus Christ out to be a liar.

I believe Jesus is not a liar and He does exactly what He says, how about you?

 

[amigo de christo]

When someone puts a gun to your head and tells you to renounce the Lord Jesus Christ or they will blow your brains out, is it OK to go ahead and renounce the Lord in that moment to save your life?

The Lord did say if we deny the Lord before men He will deny us before the Father - Matthew 10:33
But so many today claim all out future sins are already forgiven so they would believe it's OK to deny the Lord if need be to save out own lives in such a moment. So who is correct? These people, or the Lord?

Matthew 16:25
he that seeks to save his life will lose it

It's time to start addressing this in western nations because before long the liberals will turn full blown communists and seek to murder Christians and Jews. It's coming here...just like we've seen for decades in undeveloped nations.

Oh Randy .................we gonna have to lengthen that list .
Everyone under the inclusive love god will hunt the souls of all sheep that did not conform to that god .
And randy , IT IS on both sides .
Anything tied to ecumeincalism inclusivism , lets all have unity and find common ground , IS ALREADY
being led to it . Some even have already bought the lie .
And g uess what my friend . Denying JESUS is not just denying HE is Christ
but also IF WE DENY HIS WORDS we do DENY HIM .
many f ollow another jesus .
I cant holler it enou gh , IT IS BIBLE TIME IN THE HOUSE . many are not gonna make it randy .
And i already know the false religoins are false , atheism is false . the many i spoke of are even sitting in churches randy .
Even sitting in churches . The hunt for the souls of the sheep WILL SOON begin .
ON a massiv e and world wide level. We gotta get in the bible now and start examinng
ANY and all who do speak . and i mean any and all .
Course once again i am talking about the house of christendom , cause one sho uld WELL KNOW
that all other relgions are false . NO MORE cries that mormons an d us are brethren . A LIE
no more cries about how catholics , protestants and etc are all brethren .
RATHER realize , THE RCC is a tank of devils , the mormon religoin is a tank of devils
and the nar realm is a tank of devils too .
T hat might sound rough and it might sound jugmental . BUT THEM ARE VERY DANGEROUS realms .
ANYTHING attached to anyone and in anyway to ecumeincalism MUST be fled now .
And into bibles we must go .

 

[RandyDawson]

And into bibles we must go

Which versions?

 

[amigo de christo]

In Matthew 10:33, "whoever denies me before men" describes an ongoing, settled posture of the heart. The Greek verb means to disown, refuse or repudiate, rather than an isolated weak moment out of fear/temporary failure like Peter's denial in Matthew 26:69-75.

lets not use peter shall we . cause that was done BEFORE PETER recieved the HOLY GHOST mailmandan .
DO not give this people false hope .
TIME to build them up with REAL doctrine as in BIBLICAL doctrine .
Build the up mailman dan , dont let the harlot get them .
We dont go around making excuses . The heart of man is wicked mail man dan .
And it needs not to be fed with excuses either .
Rather let he or she who may have sinned , REPENT of said sin .
BUT DO NOT give false comfort . The false sensual love has des troyed many mail man dan .
WE are here to BUILD UP .
WE are here to HONOR CHRIST .
AND YES we are here to be GRAVE . no more g ravy talks . i will not hear them and i will not recieve them .
The problem with most folks is , THEY ALWAYS go around making threads and posts
and on those t hreads and posts they always trying to find a way to feel okay .
WHEN THE OKAY IS IN SIN and UNBELEIF . not good . v ery bad . destroys folks and does not build them up
and prepare them to fight the good fight of faith .

 

[amigo de christo]

Which versions?

friend i hope you are not as many which can spout solid t ruths
and yet have a fat ol log in thine eye .
OH I pray you are not like those . NOW OPEN BIBLE .
I would highly suggest the KJV . And before anyone says , but its too hard to grasp or understand .
HOW COME in time it made perfect sense to ME . AM I A GENUIS . NO SIR .
GOD will open the understanding .
Now i aint condemning one who reads another bible . But if we want the most accurate
the KJV , and some older versions like perhaps geneva , are better .
Dont be the man with a log in his eye who says , WE cannot learn the bible lest we sit under
this man or that scholar or know greek . cause if you actually buy that , YOU BoUGHT a fat lie .
I been watching them all my friend .
DID you know i have never seen a person or known a person , or met a person
WHO says YOU have to sit under our scholar or our church or greek or etc
to KNOW the bible , THAT DOES NOT TWIST IT . NOT ONE randy . NOT ONE .
WE are being LIED TOO . And on my watch i wont stand for it . NOW OPEN BIBLE
and get busy .

 

[amigo de christo]

Which versions?

so i guess you agreed with all else that i said . WELL that is good my friend .
OR do you not agree .
That list IS LONG randy dawson . And just about every church i have examined , THOUGH I have not examined all ,
IS ALREADY UNDER THE INFLUENCE of incusivity and ecumencalism to some degree .
NOT looking good my near and dear friend .
I am long wore out with this judge not generation that only uses judge not
to shut down the voices of those who expose sins .
I WONT tolerate it a moment on my watch .
I am so worn out with this false sensual love of the world
that this peoples t hinks is the LOVE OF GOD .
Now here is another reminder , randy dawson , IF YOU are hearing anyone
talking about world peace , DONT SIT UNDER IT .
THEY already under a s pirit and its the wrong one padnah .
JESUS did not come to BRING peace on earth .
And this world peace garbage i see every false religoin now buying into
as well as christendom , ITS DENIED the one true gospel . BIBLE TIME .

 

[amigo de christo]

Which versions?

wanna know the what that is behind this world peace movement .
wanna know the who its leading them all right too .
THIS ONE , and by PEACE SHALL HE DESTORY many . ANTI CHRIST randy .
OH yes . and that which is of anti christ IS ALREADY IN ITS INTERRELGIOUS dialgoue .
BIBLE TIME FOLKS . BIBLE TIME . or WAIL on JESUS day .

 

[RandyDawson]

friend i hope you are not as many which can spout solid t ruths
and yet have a fat ol log in thine eye .

Asking which version is best means a person has a log in their eye? Really?

wanna know the what that is behind this world peace movement .
wanna know the who its leading them all right too .
THIS ONE , and by PEACE SHALL HE DESTORY many . ANTI CHRIST randy .
OH yes . and that which is of anti christ IS ALREADY IN ITS INTERRELGIOUS dialgoue .
BIBLE TIME FOLKS . BIBLE TIME . or WAIL on JESUS day .

Still no answer to the question of which bible version is best?

Might you be able to stay on topic at some point?

 

[marks]

If the gunman says "deny Jesus as your Lord and Savior" and the person agrees to do so saying "I renounce Jesus as my Lord and Savior" they just denied the Lord before other people. That causes Jesus to deny this person before the Lord according to what Jesus said in Matthew 10:33.

Unless of course if Jesus lied about this and we can deny the Lord before people but Jesus does not deny us before the Lord, then that would make Jesus Christ out to be a liar.

I believe Jesus is not a liar and He does exactly what He says, how about you?

That's the problem with hypotheticals, they are not real. You can turn the story this way or that to maintain your fiction.

"But if they say . . ."

"But then the say . . ."

And on and on it goes.

Meanwhile, you reveal yourself to be looking to your own faithfulness to maintain your salvation, and that is looking in exactly the wrong direction.

The problem is in thinking that anything God said to anyone He means for everyone. That's not true.

Much love!

 

[RandyDawson]

That's the problem with hypotheticals, they are not real.

So in the history of the world, there's never been situation where someone told a Christian either deny the Lord or they will be killed?

You should study what's been going on in the world and educate yourself.

Meanwhile, you reveal yourself to be looking to your own faithfulness to maintain your salvation, and that is looking in exactly the wrong direction.

Actually I rely on the leading of the Holy Spirit Who leads me in to all Truth based on the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
It's the fruit of the Holy Spirit indwelling inside of me doing the good works empowering me to walk in the Spirit in obedience which is the Lord's calling for those that would be righteous.

You wouldn't understand. This is grown up Christianity, not carnal man made religion.

 

[amigo de christo]

Asking which version is best means a person has a log in their eye? Really?




Still no answer to the question of which bible version is best?

Might you be able to stay on topic at some point?

The sad thing is you could have been helped in this matter .
But if you constantly wont answer things i am trying to get you to see
but only KEEP on touting the line , then you be on your own .
ITS real easy to expose what must be exposed . NOw getting one to bleieve it , THAT A WHOLE other st ory .
You are on some kind of mission but you aint listening . So you my friend are left to your own .

 

[marks]

So in the history of the world, there's never been situation where someone told a Christian either deny the Lord or they will be killed?

You should study what's been going on in the world and educate yourself.

You presented an hypothetical situation, which you proceeded to modify when others responded, which is what people do. It's not real. That's all.

And in so doing, you revealed yourself, and now I know this about you.

Now you want to turn against me, and I couldn't care less.

Grown up? That's not what I'm seeing.

 

[RandyDawson]

The sad thing is you could have been helped in this matter .
But if you constantly wont answer things i am trying to get you to see
but only KEEP on touting the line , then you be on your own .
ITS real easy to expose what must be exposed . NOw getting one to bleieve it , THAT A WHOLE other st ory .
You are on some kind of mission but you aint listening . So you my friend are left to your own .

Well you are certainly not providing any help at all.
If you don't know which bible versions you are comfortable recommending to others just say so.

You said earlier "And into bibles we must go" and I asked Which versions?
Do you have the ability to answer the question or not?

 

[lforrest]

So in the history of the world, there's never been situation where someone told a Christian either deny the Lord or they will be killed?

This has happened many many times through history and even modern day.

Matthew 10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

This scripture addresses the crisis of the martyr. For what other purpose is it relevant?

There is already scripture addressing the more subtle familiar and social pressures that may keep someone from Christ. Matthew 10:37

 

[RandyDawson]

This has happened many many times through history and even modern day.

Matthew 10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

This scripture addresses the crisis of the martyr. For what other purpose is it relevant?

There is already scripture addressing the more subtle familiar and social pressures that may keep someone from Christ. Matthew 10:37

Exactly and since this type of thing is going to increase as we go forward, I'm thinking maybe it needs to be discussed.

The idea is Christians need to make up their minds that they will NOT be denying the Lord before they are ever in this situation.
In other words let's make up our minds now what we shall do.

I've had people ask me what would I do if they did kill me for not denying the Lord.

The answer is I'll go be with the Lord which is a win win for me! It'll be a glorious day!

 

[amigo de christo]

Well you are certainly not providing any help at all.
If you don't know which bible versions you are comfortable recommending to others just say so.

You said earlier "And into bibles we must go" and I asked Which versions?
Do you have the ability to answer the question or not?

i answered you . i said KJV and older ones like geneva .
just ignore all the footnotes in geneva

 

[marks]

Exactly and since this type of thing is going to increase as we go forward, I'm thinking maybe it needs to be discussed.

The idea is Christians need to make up their minds that they will NOT be denying the Lord before they are ever in this situation.
In other words let's make up our minds now what we shall do.

I've had people ask me what would I do if they did kill me for not denying the Lord.

The answer is I'll go be with the Lord which is a win win for me! It'll be a glorious day!

Still fictional . . . acting as if you really know what you would do in some future situation.

Peter knew what he would do, die fighting for Jesus. But then he saw the reality unfolding, and he folded. I suppose you are as sure of yourself as Peter was. Peter even drew his sword! They could have killed him without batting an eye. God had a harder test for Peter, and I pray when you test comes that you will do well.

Meanwhile, God said, don't plan what you are going to say, in that hour the Holy Spirit will give you what to say.