Sinless Perfection. Why do so many teach against what Jesus taught?

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Judge Hardcastle

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David said...save me from presumptuous sins. With so many warnings of the bible...how come so few ever consider that the warning concerns them?
All true and genuine born again believers are concerned about sin. They are because they have God's seed in them. It is unbelieving Christ rejecters who don't care about sin. Disregard for sin is the sign of unbelief.
 

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Abraham was very old when he was told that he would be a father of many nations.
And his effort to fulfill the promise himself through the natural and expected way that could happen serves as the illustration of how attempting to fulfill the promises of God by the seemingly logical and expected way of keeping the law does not result in the fulfillment of the promise of God.
 
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And how terribly selfish it was of her to push through in faith to get what she wanted from Jesus, right?
Faith puts ego aside for the sake of truth. The woman didn't react in the flesh but strove to save her daughter....believing that Jesus could do it. She swallowed her pride to show her faith.

This is the opposite of modern religion, where there is no challenge at all to the ego. It is the ego that claims salvation for itself...God having no part of it.
 
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This is the opposite of modern religion, where there is no challenge at all to the ego. It is the ego that claims salvation for itself...God having no part of it.
You are profoundly ignorant of Christianity. There is no claim of self for salvation in Christianity. That claim is made in your religion in which the greatness of your righteousness saves you.

In Christianity, it is because a person realizes they cannot save themselves that they rely on God, rather than self to be saved. How could you not know this fundamental tenet of Christianity?????
 
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Is it good to believe that Jesus id Lord...YES. But what that gets you personally is not what is being advertised. God hates selfishness and self-interest. If you seek to save your life you will lose it. So your motivation is wrong. It's good to believe but not to claim things for yourself.

Rom 9:1 I am speaking the truth in Christ—I am not lying; my conscience bears me witness in the Holy Spirit—
Rom 9:2 that I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart.
Rom 9:3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, my kinsmen according to the flesh.
Rom 9:4 They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises.
Rom 9:5 To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.

Speaking about selfishness and self-interest, would you wish like Paul you were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of the pretenders here?
 

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Lucifer's first mistake wasn't pride. His first mistake was to take his eyes off God and look at himself. He then compared his beauty with the rest of creation and THEN grew proud. Similarity, the first thing Adam and Eve noticed was their own nakedness. They looked at themselves. Up to that point they had no concept of "self" consciousness, they only beheld the glory of God. The way out of sin, after the new birth by faith, is to once again behold only the glory of God.

Ro 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

"sin" "harmatia" to miss the mark. What is the mark? The glory of God.

Do this:

2 Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

In your prayer time, forget totally anything about yourself. Put to death any self conscious thoughts or self interest. Focus your eye only on Jesus and His glory. You will not only enter into full fellowship with Him, you will also reflect His image back to Him. This will bring into reality the truth that when God looks at you...He sees only Jesus.

Yes, and it is FAITH that gets our eyes off ourselves and onto Jesus. In this way faith in Jesus saves us from ourself.....when our vision, trust and reliance are on Him and not on ourselves. Unfortunately there are those who would seek to invalidate, undermine, undercut and negate our faith in order to rob us of it. Perhaps the devil feels condemned by our faith, or perhaps he feels our faith takes something away from him and simply can't allow anybody to have what he doesn't have because he is the ultimate narcissist. In any case we are dealing with a strong man, a strong devil....who comes only to steal, kill and destroy our faith....to rob us of it.

With regard to Lucifer.......like begets like......and I believe we can see how it went for him by what he fed to Eve. "Ye shall be as gods." Lucifer exalted his throne ABOVE the stars of God........he wanted to rule and reign as God. We become a son of God and receive His Spirit by receiving/believing/eating His word.....it was the same with Adam and Eve...they received the serpent's spirit by receiving/eating/believing his lie and it was by his spirit that they "knew" they were naked, and the devil had become their father.....accuser of the brethren.....Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. They became a judge of good and evil.....essentially it causes man and devil to usurp God's place as Judge. (That is why we are not to judge/condemn others....it is God's place alone to do that.)
 

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Rom 9:1 I am speaking the truth in Christ—I am not lying; my conscience bears me witness in the Holy Spirit—
Rom 9:2 that I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart.
Rom 9:3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, my kinsmen according to the flesh.
Rom 9:4 They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises.
Rom 9:5 To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.

Speaking about selfishness and self-interest, would you wish like Paul you were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of the pretenders here?
Amen.......that would be having a heart like Jesus, oh my! Not what we are seeing here unfortunately.
 

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Amen.......that would be having a heart like Jesus, oh my! Not what we are seeing here unfortunately.

And there is another one :

1John 3:16 By this we know love, that he [Jesus] laid down his life for us, and we ought to lay down our lives for the brothers.
 
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What you mean is that I don't have religious opinions. What I do have is testimony.
No, what I mean is you do not have Biblical faith.
Having faith in Christianity means you believe in the sacrifice of Christ's blood and are justified.

Romans 3:25-26
25God presented Him as an atoning sacrificei in His blood through faith, in order to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance He had passed over the sins committed beforehand. 26He did this to demonstrate His righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and to justify the one who has faith in Jesus.

You do not believe this. You are, literally, an unbeliever.
 
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What you mean is that I don't have religious opinions. What I do have is testimony.
You of all people have LOTS of religious opinions. And you have the claim of grand mystical encounters with God. That puts you far and above the amount of religious opinions and testimonies of almost every Christian.

Haven't you been able to see that everything you criticize Christians about you are guilty of, and in far greater measure?
 
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It's pretty clear from the scripture that faith is a requirement for connecting to the life that is in the Son. It is true that God loves the entire world but only those who believe will not perish.

Jn 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


Without faith it is impossible to please God.

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

We must believe He is and that He rewards those who diligently seek Him.
 
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It's pretty clear from the scripture that faith is a requirement for connecting to the life that is in the Son.

That is a universal truth....life is found only in the Son.
It is true that God loves the entire world but only those who believe will not perish.

That is a religious extrapolation that is not accurate. We know that the meek of the earth don't perish. The world will not be judged based on beliefs but on actions...deeds and works. So one must put a verse into context and not seek to destroy the majority of the biblical narrative for the preferred reading of a verse or two.

The correct and balanced context is that indeed faith saves people from perishing. But it doesn't say that that any in the world who don't believe will perish. The context of John 3 is the people of God. Israel at that time....and by extension the church in our time.

So the unbelief is in the church...not the world. The world is held to a different standard....that is NOT based on walking in the light.
Jn 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


Without faith it is impossible to please God.

To please God yes...but to be accepted by God we need to DO righteousness and fear God. One verse does not cancel out the larger weight of scripture,
Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

We must believe He is and that He rewards those who diligently seek Him.
If we wish to approach God....we will need faith in His character and ability to transform us and translate us to walk as Jesus walked.
 

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...it doesn't say that that any in the world who don't believe will perish. The context of John 3 is the people of God. Israel at that time....and by extension the church in our time.

So the unbelief is in the church...not the world. The world is held to a different standard....that is NOT based on walking in the light.
Let's test your assertion against scripture:

Romans 3:19
19Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God.
 

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Let's test your assertion against scripture:

Romans 3:19
19Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God.
The law of God is never thrown away. It is ALWAYS in effect. Grace fulfills the law or it is just lawlessness...and MANY MANY evangelicals will be rejected due to that lawlessness...thinking grace is an immunity from prosecution for sin.
 

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If we wish to approach God....we will need faith in His character and ability to transform us and translate us to walk as Jesus walked.
You need faith in the sacrifice he has provided, which you have excluded from your theology. To get to God in the inner place you must go by way of the altar of sacrifice in the outer court.
 

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In the bible narrative, who are they who are condemned for unbelief? Is it the world at large or Israel?

They entered not due to unbelief. Who is the bible written to?

So that same unbelief is charged to the church of today...because people prefer darkness to coming to the light...thinking that their salvation shields the from the truth.