Sinless Perfection. Why do so many teach against what Jesus taught?

[Judge Hardcastle]

The law of God is never thrown away. It is ALWAYS in effect. Grace fulfills the law or it is just lawlessness...and MANY MANY evangelicals will be rejected due to that lawlessness...thinking grace is an immunity from prosecution for sin.

So you're not going to address your false assertion that the world is held to a different standard than the church?

"...it doesn't say that that any in the world who don't believe will perish. The context of John 3 is the people of God. Israel at that time....and by extension the church in our time.

So the unbelief is in the church...not the world. The world is held to a different standard....that is NOT based on walking in the light."

 

[shepherdsword]

That is a universal truth....life is found only in the Son.


That is a religious extrapolation that is not accurate. We know that the meek of the earth don't perish. The world will not be judged based on beliefs but on actions...deeds and works. So one must put a verse into context and not seek to destroy the majority of the biblical narrative for the preferred reading of a verse or two.

The correct and balanced context is that indeed faith saves people from perishing. But it doesn't say that that any in the world who don't believe will perish. The context of John 3 is the people of God. Israel at that time....and by extension the church in our time.

So the unbelief is in the church...not the world. The world is held to a different standard....that is NOT based on walking in the light.


To please God yes...but to be accepted by God we need to DO righteousness and fear God. One verse does not cancel out the larger weight of scripture,

If we wish to approach God....we will need faith in His character and ability to transform us and translate us to walk as Jesus walked.

How meek does one have to be in order to be connected to eternal life? How righteous?

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

...because people prefer darkness to coming to the light...thinking that their salvation shields the from the truth.

You need to get your terminology right.
Salvation is by definition being brought into the light, and out of darkness.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

How meek does one have to be in order to be connected to eternal life? How righteous?

He refuses to comment on what the Bible says about that.

Deuteronomy 6:25
25And if we are careful to observe every one of these commandments before the LORD our God, as He has commanded us, then that will be our righteousness.”

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

They entered not due to unbelief. Who is the bible written to?

So that same unbelief is charged to the church of today...because people prefer darkness to coming to the light...thinking that their salvation shields the from the truth.

No claim is made in Christianity that unbelievers are part of the church. They belong to your group.

 

[Episkopos]

How meek does one have to be in order to be connected to eternal life? How righteous?

God has mercy on whom He wills. The foolishness of religious evangelicalism lies in condemning the world for unbelief....even as they are masters of unbelief themselves. So the modern church seeks to lay the blame for their own failure at grace at the feet of the world...thinking God is unable to see their own unbelief... even as they rob and steal righteousness away from the righteous. Judgment day is going to shock those who name and claim to be as righteous as God is.

 

[Episkopos]

No claim is made in Christianity that unbelievers are part of the church. They belong to your group.

The church has no holy standard anymore...unbelief is rife in the churches of today. The walls have been torn down so that every kind of person has infiltrated the churches for the sake of numbers....as illegal migrants....so that those who came through the front door, who is Christ, have been drowned out and pushed to the sidelines. Such is the motivation of the flesh that wars against the Spirit.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

Grace fulfills the law or it is just lawlessness...

The law is not fulfilled in your theology.
You do not believe that Jesus' sacrifice is the fulfilment of the law for atonement.
You don't even think there is any need for that.
Yours is the lawless theology, not ours.

...and MANY MANY evangelicals will be rejected due to that lawlessness...

Because they are actually unbelievers - part of your group, not ours. They belong to you, though they give the false appearance of belonging to the church. They do not. Only believers belong to and are part of the church, the body of Christ.

...thinking grace is an immunity from prosecution for sin.

Even you think grace is immunity from prosecution for sin.
The difference is you think God's grace is him giving you the ability to be righteous enough in behavior to avoid prosecution for your sin.

Meanwhile, the grace of God in Christianity is a genuine forgiveness of the debt we owe . Like how the master forgave the debt in Matthew 18:21-35, not gave time for it to be paid back, as the unmerciful servant erroneously perceived (because that's what he asked for). That is the very same mistake you are making. You think God came to give us time to back our unpayable debt ourselves, when in actuality he came to forgive it altogether. We know that you perceive it as time to pay it back, not have it forgiven, by the way you demand that others pay it back themselves, too.

 

[Episkopos]

People read the bible and misunderstand it, thinking that it is grace that is universal and not the law of God. We will ALL be judged against God's law....no one will be judged based on grace...actually we will be judged AGAINST the grace we have received. What did we do with it? To whom much is given MORE is required.

We are all subject to the law. Grace is there to empower us to fulfill the law even to the level of holiness. So that by grace we can do MORE than a good man can do based on a human strength.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

The church has no holy standard anymore...unbelief is rife in the churches of today.

Those are CINO's. Churches in name only.
They belong to your group, not ours.

 

[Episkopos]

Even you think grace is immunity from prosecution for sin.

Grace is empowerment to fulfill the law in its fully spiritual resolution. Grace gives us access to the perfection of Christ, to overcome as He did.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

Judgment day is going to shock those who name and claim to be as righteous as God is.

Hold on tight, 'cause you ain't righteous as God is righteous. And worse, you don't have the sacrifice of Jesus' blood to stand between you and the wrath of God. We do.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

Grace is empowerment to fulfill the law in its fully spiritual resolution.

And yet you leave the law of sacrifice unfulfilled by rejecting Christ the fulfillment of the law of sacrifice.
How is that a fulfillment of law?
It isn't of course. It's a destroying and casting down of the law. The very thing Jesus said he did NOT come to do.

 

[shepherdsword]

God has mercy on whom He wills. The foolishness of religious evangelicalism lies in condemning the world for unbelief....even as they are masters of unbelief themselves. So the modern church seeks to lay the blame for their own failure at grace at the feet of the world...thinking God is unable to see their own unbelief... even as they rob and steal righteousness away from the righteous. Judgment day is going to shock those who name and claim to be as righteous as God is.

The context of the verse was set back in 3:16....the world,(for God so loved the world) it's not the jews or the church, but the world:
Jn 3:18
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Who is the "he" ...anyone in the world.

 

[shepherdsword]

Grace is empowerment to fulfill the law in its fully spiritual resolution. Grace gives us access to the perfection of Christ, to overcome as He did.

Fortunately, there is also Mercy, for when we fail to walk in that empowerment.

 

[Laurina]

Hold on tight, 'cause you ain't righteous as God is righteous. And worse, you don't have the sacrifice of Jesus' blood to stand between you and the wrath of God. We do.

That’s your self-justifying religious opinion....that says more about you....sad, very sad.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

That’s your self-justifying religious opinion....that says more about you....sad, very sad.

It's not just my opinion. It comes right from the Bible:

It is God who justifies, not us:

Romans 8:33
33Who will bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies.

He justifies those who have received Christ's sacrifice. His sacrifice intercedes before the Father in the tabernacle that is in heaven, of which the Levitical priesthood and sacrifice and temple was only a copy. But only for those who have received it by having faith in it.

Romans 8:34
34Who is there to condemn us? For Christ Jesus, who died, and more than that was raised to life, is at the right hand of God—and He is interceding for us.

Hebrews 7:25
25...He is able to save completelyd those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to intercede for them.

You do not have this intercession before the Father protecting you from the wrath of God to come because you do not believe in Christ's intercessory Priesthood and sacrifice. You don't even think you need it!

The fact that you reject the plain words of scripture says a lot about you, and it is very, very sad. You reject in unbelief the only way that you can be righteous before God. You have been deceived into thinking it is by your righteousness, the so-called righteousness of your works, that you will be seen as righteous in God's sight. Ain't gonna happen. You'd have to be a perfect person, and will have always been a perfect person all your life to be righteous before God that way. I don't need to know you to know you ain't perfect. No one is. You need forgiveness through the sacrifice of Jesus, not encouragement that your righteousness is somehow good enough to get you through the pearly gates. 'Cause it ain't.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

Grace is empowerment to fulfill the law in its fully spiritual resolution.

Except the law of sacrifice. You reject that.

Grace gives us access to the perfection of Christ, to overcome as He did.

And that's going to happen for you when?
Keep us posted.

 

[Episkopos]

Fortunately, there is also Mercy, for when we fail to walk in that empowerment.

Yes...when we give mercy we receive mercy. When we forgive we are forgiven. The evangelical two-step comes from the enemy that seeks to destroy righteousness and holiness in the world. Why is it so important to condemn others in order to justify self? Because people are fighting over the same scraps (filthy rags) of righteousness...that the righteous don't even claim for themselves, or defend themselves.

God has not forsaken the world. Jesus is not daring us to not believe in Him....so that He can condemn us. Jesus came to save the world. He loves the righteous. God does not condemn non-bible readers. He condemns those who read the bible and refuse to submit to the truth.

 

[Episkopos]

The context of the verse was set back in 3:16....the world,(for God so loved the world) it's not the jews or the church, but the world:
Jn 3:18
He that believeth on (INTO) him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Who is the "he" ...anyone in the world.

The nuance here is that all are a part of what God has redeemed to Himself. Well not exactly all, but more than just those who believe. Jesus did not come to condemn the world but to save it.

The problem is with the translation. The word translated as ON is actually INTO (eis). So this has to do with translation into the kingdom realm. The context is the kingdom of God. Remember a little back in the chapter Jesus talked about being born from above and ENTERING into the kingdom? How? By believing INTO Christ.

So the context is...those whose faith gets them translated into the kingdom realm in Christ to walk in His life....will not be condemned....but those who do not have that kind of faith are already condemned.

Unless a man is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter INTO the kingdom of God.

Jesus is not making up a religion based on beliefs. That is Luther. No, holiness is about being seated in heavenly places in Christ.