"The word was a god"?

[Wrangler]

The description of your faith says you are "Christian"; but, Christians believe in the Trinity; so, why are you pretending to be something you're not? Why not just admit whatever false religion it is that you adhere to and have the courage of your convictions?

My my. How defensive you are! How insecure in your faith. Can you recognize these 2 things could both be true: the trinity is real AND not explicitly stated in Scripture?

There are some here who deny Jesus was a Jew. I just go by what the Bible teaches. You?

 

[David1701]

My my. How defensive you are! How insecure in your faith. Can you recognize these 2 things could both be true: the trinity is real AND not explicitly stated in Scripture?

There are some here who deny Jesus was a Jew. I just go by what the Bible teaches. You?

Defensive and insecure?! LOL!

If the Trinity were not explicitly stated in Scripture (but it certainly is), then it would be mere speculation.

Of course Jesus was a Jew. He is also God manifest in the flesh; He is the great I AM; He is God with us, etc..

 

[Wrangler]

@Michiah-Imla, notice how they don’t answer the question but resort immediately to personal attack?

Why can't Jesus be God AND the word of God be a god?

why are you pretending to be something you're not?

My my. How defensive you are! How insecure in your faith. Can you recognize these 2 things could both be true: the trinity is real AND not explicitly stated in Scripture?

There are some here who deny Jesus was a Jew. I just go by what the Bible teaches. You?

 

[David1701]

@Michiah-Imla, notice how they don’t answer the question but resort immediately to personal attack?

Christians believe that the living Word of God is the Lord Jesus Christ, who is God manifest in the flesh. We do not believe that the living Word of God is "a god" (with a small "g")!

 

[Dryhn]

Christians believe that the living Word of God is the Lord Jesus Christ, who is God manifest in the flesh. We do not believe that the living Word of God is "a god" (with a small "g")!

Thank you David, this "a god" nonsense is apparently the correct translation of John 1:1
Didn't those very same Greek to English translators get laughed out of court & ridiculed for their inability to correctly translate ?

Four examples of where the New World Translation gets it wrong • Pathway

So, what’s wrong with the NWT? Following are four examples of the translators conforming the text to Watch Tower theology, particularly with respect to the person and work of Christ. Read the full story from The Pathway, Missouri Baptists' news source.

mbcpathway.com

 

[Wrangler]

Christians believe that the living Word of God is the Lord Jesus Christ

Friend, you are confusing feelings (or beliefs) with facts. The question in this thread is not what Christian’s believe about a non-literal “word“ but the proper translation from Greek of John 1:1 to ‘a god.”

Here’s the thing. My faith doesn’t hinge on a book or a translation of a book. So, what is true regarding the Greek to English poses no threat. To you, it seems a grave threat, which tells me your faith is not strong. That’s the reason you can’t answer my question, but make one fallacious claim after another. First, personal attack, now appeal to majority or authority. If one billion people who don’t know Greek believe the Greek translation should be X, what validity is that?

It’s kinda of like people invested in the authenticity of the Shroud of Turin. I believe it is authentic but my faith doesn’t depend on it.

Thank you David, this "a god" nonsense is apparently the correct translation of John 1:1

Agreed. How Should John 1:1 Be Translated? - Bible Authenticity

 

[rebuilder 454]

The description of your faith says you are "Christian"; but, Christians believe in the Trinity; so, why are you pretending to be something you're not? Why not just admit whatever false religion it is that you adhere to and have the courage of your convictions?

The "game changer" is the person of Jesus.
The cults tend to center on muddying up the testimony of Jesus.

NO CULT is able to answer who Jesus is.
It is THE TEST of a cult.

The question is " is Jesus creator, as the Bible says, or was he created?"

The next one is "why did it have to be God on the cross?"....why not some good man?

Those items are guardians of the faith.

NO CULT CAN ANSWER EITHER.

 

[David1701]

Friend, you are confusing feelings (or beliefs) with facts. The question in this thread is not what Christian’s believe about a non-literal “word“ but the proper translation from Greek of John 1:1 to ‘a god.”

Here’s the thing. My faith doesn’t hinge on a book or a translation of a book. So, what is true regarding the Greek to English poses no threat. To you, it seems a grave threat, which tells me your faith is not strong. That’s the reason you can’t answer my question, but make one fallacious claim after another. First, personal attack, now appeal to majority or authority. If one billion people who don’t know Greek believe the Greek translation should be X, what validity is that?

It’s kinda of like people invested in the authenticity of the Shroud of Turin. I believe it is authentic but my faith doesn’t depend on it.



Agreed. How Should John 1:1 Be Translated? - Bible Authenticity

Anyone who claims that the Lord Jesus Christ is not the eternal, almighty God, manifest in the flesh, is an anti-Christ and definitely NOT a Christian!

I have provided considerable biblical proof that the Lord Jesus Christ is God; and the Bible is a Christian's only sufficient and inerrant rule of faith and practice.

 

[amigo de christo]

The "game changer" is the person of Jesus.
The cults tend to center on muddying up the testimony of Jesus.

NO CULT is able to answer who Jesus is.
It is THE TEST of a cult.

The question is " is Jesus creator, as the Bible says, or was he created?"

The next one is "why did it have to be God on the cross?"....why not some good man?

Those items are guardians of the faith.

NO CULT CAN ANSWER EITHER.

verily i do say unto thee
The answer to your question about why did it have to be God on the cross and not some good man .
The created cannot save itself , ONLY GOD can save the created .
The moment eve and adam ate of the tree was the moment DEATH came upon them
and upon all ever since born of woman .
And there is NONE who is good but GOD .
No angel was sent
IT would TAKE GOD to bring salvation and f reedom from death and the power of the devil who held
the keys of death .
IT is written that no priest could approach the tabernacle if he had any blemish on the outside , such as even a mole
or a dwarf , or etc .
And under the old covenant such was the case .
But what the prophets and torah , WHO the prophets and torah pointed too
Was the only one who could fullfill what no other priest or man could .
You see WHEN GOD looks upon a man , HE LOOKS UPON THE INSIDE .
AND ONLY JESUS was SPOTLESS and without sin . THAT IS THE GREAT HIGH PRIEST ,
CHOSEN OF GOD ALL MIGHTY , WHO IS THE WORD OF GOD
and BY WHOM all things were created . IT would take G OD to save this people
and to do what no man could do . For all have sinned and all fall far short of the glory of GOD .
JESUS IS THE GLORY OF GOD , AND IS THE WORD OF GOD
and the WORD was GOD .

 

[amigo de christo]

Anyone who claims that the Lord Jesus Christ is not the eternal, almighty God, manifest in the flesh, is an anti-Christ and definitely NOT a Christian!

I have provided considerable biblical proof that the Lord Jesus Christ is God; and the Bible is a Christian's only sufficient and inerrant rule of faith and practice.

Go too and behold the words in torah and the law .
Go too and behold the prophets and things in the torah .
IT is written that no priest could approach the tabernacle
if said priest had any blemish on the outside . Not a mole , not a dwarf , not club footed and etc .
Now let us see the secrete of GOD and SEE HOW HE SEES .
This is not him , said the LORD to samuel , LOOK NOT on his outward appearance
FOR the LORD does look upon the inside .
ALREADY we see something my friend .
THE great and mighty HIGH PRIEST OF GOD
who was to come
would have to be without BLEMISH ON THE INSIDE . AND ONLY ONE can be that .
IT is not man , ALL have sinned .
THERE is only ONE who was ever without SIN .
THERE is only ONE who is able to save the corrupted and polluted that has blemish on the inside .
IT would TAKE GOD to save man .
LORD who then can be saved , with man this is IMPOSSIBLE . BUT NOT with GOD . WITH GOD .
And the WORD became flesh .

 

[Wrangler]

I have provided considerable biblical proof that the Lord Jesus Christ is God

Untrue. I showed how the first 'proof' you provided is not proof at all. Rather than admit this, you keep repeating the claim and invoke one fallacy after another.

IF you admitted a verse that doesn't even have Jesus in it cannot be proof of anything regarding Jesus, I'd be happy to tackle the remaining 'considerable' proof you claim exists. By contrast, look at post # 1026. And once again, why can't Jesus be God AND God's word be a god?

 

[rwb]

All life comes from Almighty God. If the Son of God, named Jesus is not God, how can He give eternal life to whosoever is born again by believing in Him?

Isaiah 42:5 (KJV) Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

Job 1:21 (KJV) And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.

Ecclesiastes 3:2 (KJV) A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

Deuteronomy 32:39 (KJV) See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

Ac 17:25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
Ac 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
Ac 17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
Ac 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

John 5:39 (KJV) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

John 10:10 (KJV) The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

John 10:28 (KJV) And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

John 11:25 (KJV) Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Revelation 2:7 (KJV) He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Revelation 2:10 (KJV) Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Revelation 21:6 (KJV) And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

 

[David1701]

Go too and behold the words in torah and the law .
Go too and behold the prophets and things in the torah .
IT is written that no priest could approach the tabernacle
if said priest had any blemish on the outside . Not a mole , not a dwarf , not club footed and etc .
Now let us see the secrete of GOD and SEE HOW HE SEES .
This is not him , said the LORD to samuel , LOOK NOT on his outward appearance
FOR the LORD does look upon the inside .
ALREADY we see something my friend .
THE great and mighty HIGH PRIEST OF GOD
who was to come
would have to be without BLEMISH ON THE INSIDE . AND ONLY ONE can be that .
IT is not man , ALL have sinned .
THERE is only ONE who was ever without SIN .
THERE is only ONE who is able to save the corrupted and polluted that has blemish on the inside .
IT would TAKE GOD to save man .
LORD who then can be saved , with man this is IMPOSSIBLE . BUT NOT with GOD . WITH GOD .
And the WORD became flesh .

Yes, exactly.

 

[David1701]

Untrue. I showed how the first 'proof' you provided is not proof at all. Rather than admit this, you keep repeating the claim and invoke one fallacy after another.

IF you admitted a verse that doesn't even have Jesus in it cannot be proof of anything regarding Jesus, I'd be happy to tackle the remaining 'considerable' proof you claim exists. By contrast, look at post # 1026. And once again, why can't Jesus be God AND God's word be a god?

The correct translation of John 1:1 is, "...the word was God.".

Was the Word God?

 

[Wrangler]

The correct translation of John 1:1 is, "...the word was God.".

According to the link below, the correct translation is 'a god.'

Agreed. How Should John 1:1 Be Translated? - Bible Authenticity

Do you even grasp why 'a god' is the proper translation? Not being a translation expert, it's difficult to understand translation challenges. Putting aside dogma, the Greek uses "ho" before the word "theos" when it is referring to the Lord God. Otherwise, the default is "a" and the link explains how this is properly applied to other words in the NT.

Mark 6:49 – “a ghost”

John 4:9 – “a prophet”

John 6:70 – “a devil”

John 8:44 – “a murderer”, “a liar”

John 9:17 – “a prophet”

Acts 12:22 – “a god”

Acts 28:6 – “a god”

 

[The Learner]

My my. How defensive you are! How insecure in your faith. Can you recognize these 2 things could both be true: the trinity is real AND not explicitly stated in Scripture?

There are some here who deny Jesus was a Jew. I just go by what the Bible teaches. You?

The Biblical Basis of the Doctrine of the Trinity by Robert Bowman, Jr.

Robert Bowman, Jr. :: The Biblical Basis of the Doctrine of the Trinity

www.blueletterbible.org

 

[The Learner]

read

 

[Jack]

Gen 1:26 God said, "Let US make man in OUR image according to OUR likeness"!

Father, Son and Holy Spirit!

Jesus is God!

 

[Jack]

@Michiah-Imla, notice how they don’t answer the question but resort immediately to personal attack?

Didn't you say Jesus isn't the Savior?

 

[Taken]

Jesus is God.

Christ, the Father, and Spirit are three different persons. One, two, three. Christ doesn’t pray to Himself, He prays to the Father- another person.

Together they are one God. You can’t follow the Son without also following the Father- they are going to tell you the exact same thing. You can’t listen to the Spirit and without also listening to the Son. Glory for the Father is also glory for the Spirit. Etc.

Versus actual polytheism where you can do stuff like follow Zeus and anger Athena.

Mankind …
Created
1) body (formed from its habitat) dirt.

Offered …
A new Body, without sin or defect or sorrow.

Made (good)
2) soul (given a man)

in the Likeness of The Creator and Maker…

Offered …
A Re-storation
(Of a soul gone bad…back to a good soul)

3) spirit ( hearts truth) from man’s seed.

Offered …
A Re-Make
(Of a-natural spirit (Truth) from man’s seed..
TO a-spiritual spirit (Truth) from Gods SEED..


Man…FREELY… choose/elect/pick/take Gods Offering…
And BE -Re-MADE “reconciled” in Gods Likeness…
Or Not…


The Whole of ONE Holy Eternal God
1) Body …… Jesus …….. Lord ….
2) Soul…….. Yahweh…… God ….
3) Spirit……. Christ ……. Almighty

The Whole of ONE Man-Kind…
1) body
2) soul
3) spirit


Glory to God,
Taken