Why Christians Call Mary the Mother of God.

[BreadOfLife]

Another of your boring Tactics…
Your statement “posing” as a question.

It’s a question because YOU made a FALSE statement about the Transfiguration . . .

Another of your boring Tactics…
Gaslighting

No – just an observation of your behavior.

Your off point blathering printed once is more than enough…

No – but your editing of my comments – OUT of context, really shows your desperation.
I understand how you must feel . . .

Acknowledged you landed on necromancy…
Instead of…a consulter of familiar spirits…

“Consulting” spirits for information or SEEKING counsel FROM them is necromancy, son.
Do some homework on the matter . . .

God established an intercessor for the mortally Living Saints… to Hear their prayers…
His Name is Jesus…
His Title is Christ…

Jesus is our MEDIATOR because only HIS sacrifice can save us.
We are ALL called upon to be INTERCESSORS (James 5:16).

Try opening a BIBLE once in a while . . .

get a dictionary

Get some better Biblical evidence for your arguments . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Necromancy …was BOL’s point at length talk about, not mine.

It was absolutely your point. You issued God’s “warnings “against asking Saints in Heaven to PRAY for us – which He did NOT do. God warned against Necromancy.
ONE more time, son . . .

Necromancy
[nek-ruh-man-see] / ˈnɛk rəˌmæn si /

1: CONJURATION (see conjure sense 2a) of the spirits of the dead for purposes of MAGICALLY REVEALING the future or INFLUENCING the course of events is the practice of supposedly communicating with or summoning the spirits of the dead—typically to PREDICT THE FUTURE, gain HIDDEN KNOWLEDGE, or influence the course of events.

I’ve already shown you this before – and instead of admitting you were wrong - you just referred to me as a “Gaslighter”.

Ran OUT of ammunition, I guess . . . .

 

[Dryhn]

He’s not 3 entities . . .
He’s ONE in Being, manifested in Three distinct Persons . . .

The Father is God
Eph. 4:6, Psalm 68:5, Mal. 2:10, 2 Cor. 1:3-4, John 3:16, John 8:41, 1 Thess. 3:13

The Son is God
Isaiah 7:14, Isaiah 9:6, Matt. 4:7, John 1:1, John 1:3, John 8:58, John 10:30, John 14:9, John 20:28, 2 Corinthians 4:4, Phil. 2:6, Col. 2:9, 1 Tim. 3:16, Heb. 1:8, Titus 2:13, Rev. 22:13

The Holy Spirit is God
John 14:16-18, Luke 12:10, 2 Cor. 3:17, 2 Cor. 13:5, John 14:23, Acts 5:3-4

God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit
Where have I ever denied that ?

 

[Taken]

Try opening a BIBLE once in a while . . .

If You want to call on DEPARTED Saints…
…your FREEWILL.

If You want to pause, bend, bow, curtsy, before statues of the “supposed made up likeness of a dead body”
…your FREEWILL.

If You want to call out the Name of a dead body… and supposedly chant repetitious recitations, prayers to their departed spirit…
…your FREEWILL..

If You think the Departed Saints can Hear you, and are your intercessor to God…
…your FREEWILL…

If You think your “side book” is superior for understanding meanings of Scripture…
…your FREEWILL…

If You think prayer TO is not exclusive TO God…
Your FREEWILL.

My FREEWILL TO Pray TO God ONLY, In Jesus Name, FOR Bodily Living Saints and Bodily living Enemies.

My FREEWILL to Recognize the Departed Heavenly Saints Are Resting in Gods Favor of Peace.

My FREEWILL, To give Remembrance TO Gods Faithful and service of the departed.

My FREEWILL, TO NOT Call on Departed Spirits… that which Signals and opens the
door…FOR Demons to present themselves…
and the one calling be none the wiser.

My FREEWILL TO NOT BEND GODS Ear with repetitious nonsense.

You exercise Your FREEWILL…
I’ll Exercise my FREEWILL…

And try working on your obsessive gaslighting…and pretending you are the all-knowing appointed Catholic teacher on this forum…

 

[Taken]

God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit
Where have I ever denied that ?

His mantra is Nothing new…construing what another says.

 

[Dryhn]

His mantra is Nothing new…construing what another says.

Poor guy, he is stuck in a left right left right left right Vatican do as I say march

 

[amigo de christo]

Poor guy, he is stuck in a left right left right left right Vatican do as I say march

and the beat of that drum of left right left
is no marching orders for this sheep . We follow Christ .

 

[prism]

THEY are so full of dung . and believe me when i say dung was not the first four letter word to pop into my mind .

A bit of pride, just remember, except for the GRACE OF God, there goes us.

 

[Dryhn]

A bit of pride, just remember, except for the GRACE OF God, there goes us.

Pride is the reason we sin

 

[amigo de christo]

A bit of pride, just remember, except for the GRACE OF God, there goes us.

Yes indeed , for the Grace of God . Now let us flee to the pits of ecumeincal inclusivism .
And may none look back . To the trenches . The hour is late and the delusion of a harlot has grown very great .

 

[prism]

Pride is the reason we sin

Rather, we sin, because by nature we are sinners.

 

[BreadOfLife]

God the Father
God the Son
God the Holy Spirit
Where have I ever denied that ?

You haven’t – you got that part right.
It’s only when you call these 3 Persons of the Trinity, 3 different “entities” that is an issue.

God is ONE entity (1 what), manifested in 3 distinct Persons (3 who’s).

 

[BreadOfLife]

If You want to call on DEPARTED Saints…
…your FREEWILL.

If You want to pause, bend, bow, curtsy, before statues of the “supposed made up likeness of a dead body”
…your FREEWILL.

If You want to call out the Name of a dead body… and supposedly chant repetitious recitations, prayers to their departed spirit…
…your FREEWILL..

If You think the Departed Saints can Hear you, and are your intercessor to God…
…your FREEWILL…

If You think your “side book” is superior for understanding meanings of Scripture…
…your FREEWILL…

If You think prayer TO is not exclusive TO God…
Your FREEWILL.

My FREEWILL TO Pray TO God ONLY, In Jesus Name, FOR Bodily Living Saints and Bodily living Enemies.

My FREEWILL to Recognize the Departed Heavenly Saints Are Resting in Gods Favor of Peace.

My FREEWILL, To give Remembrance TO Gods Faithful and service of the departed.

My FREEWILL, TO NOT Call on Departed Spirits… that which Signals and opens the
door…FOR Demons to present themselves…
and the one calling be none the wiser.

My FREEWILL TO NOT BEND GODS Ear with repetitious nonsense.

You exercise Your FREEWILL…
I’ll Exercise my FREEWILL…

All this boils down to is that you reject the Communion of the Saints.
For some reason – YOU believe that they were ejected from the Body of Christ when their bodies died.

Can you give me some BIBLICAL evidence for that? Because MY Bible says that they are a “Great cloud of WITNESSES” that surround us and that we should live accordingly (Heb. 12:1). Rev. 5:8 shows the Elders in heaven bringing our prayers before God and Rev. 8:3-4 speaks of the Angels in heaven doing the SAME thing.

James writes that:
James 5:16 “The prayer of a RIGHTEOUS man availeth much”.

Ummm, doesn’t Rom. 3:23 tell us that there is NONE righteous??
That means that the ONLY ones who are TRULY righteous are in Heaven because Rev. 21:27 tess us that NOTHING unclean or impure can be in Heaven.

Ergo – the prayers of the RIGHTEOUS (in Heaven) avaiileth much (James 5:16).
I REST my case . . .

And try working on your obsessive gaslighting…and pretending you are the all-knowing appointed Catholic teacher on this forum…

As long as YOU stop being paranoid and accusing everyone who proves you WRONG of “Gaslighting” . . .

 

[beechan]

And try working on your obsessive gaslighting…and pretending you are the all-knowing appointed Catholic teacher on this forum…

Catholics know the same things, unlike Protestants, each denomination knows different things.

You accuse Catholics praying to the deads.
Yet, your 'sola scriptura' bible says:
Matthew 22:32 that God "is not the God of the dead, but of the living, pointing directly to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not the God of the dead but of the living.”

Jesus did not say Abraham, Isaac and Jacob dead people!

 

[Taken]

All this boils down to is that you reject the Communion of the Saints.

Flat out False Accuser…Gaslighter.
“I SAID” no such thing!

My “Rejection” is the “Living” attempting to Communicate with “ANY” of the “Departed”.
“A Saint in Heaven or a Fallen in Hell”.

My “Acceptance” is to Communicate with the “Saints “ON Earth”…
Pray FOR them.
Pray WITH them.
Petition them to Pray FOR or WITH me.
Never Pray TO Them.

Scripture … To the Saints “ON” Earth…
Salute, greet with a kiss, be hospitable, contribute to the poor, visit in prison,
Minister to….

While “it seems all your “saints” are bodily Dead and Departed”…
And no Scriptures For the Mortally Alive TO attempt to interact with the departed…

AND …
My perspective according to Scripture…

IS…
God takes care of the Saints IN Heaven…

AND…
The bodily alive saints “ON Earth”…are to assist in “caring for the saints “ON Earth”!

Acts 9:13……..saints in Jerusalem
Acts9:33………saints at Lydda
1 Cor 14:33… churches of saints
2 Cor 1:1 ……..saints at Achaia
Eph 1:1…………saints at Ephesus
Phi 1:1………….saints at Philippi
Col 1:2………….saints at Colosse
Rom 1:7…………saints at Rome


A completely OPPOSITE “View and Understanding”, between you and me.

NEXT..[16] Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

NEXT..

 

[Taken]

For some reason – YOU believe that they were ejected from the Body of Christ when their bodies died.

I never said any such thing.

The saints in Heaven,
“Were (body, soul, spirit) IN Christ”…
Remain IN Christ…

It is Christ who Departs “out of” Their Mortally DEAD body.

It is “they” who Departed “Out of Their Dead body… when they (were crucified with Jesus Body)” and Became MADE to dwell IN Christ’s Body”!

God IS the God of the Living.

NEXT..

 

[Taken]

NEXT..

Can you give me some BIBLICAL evidence for that? Because MY Bible says that they are a “Great cloud of WITNESSES” that surround us and that we should live accordingly (Heb. 12:1).

Yes a Great cloud of Witness…watching, guarding, testifying… regarding the saints “ON” earth…
“Holy Angels”, who serve the Lord God.
Pss 91: 11-12
Pss 34: 7
Hen 1: 14
ex 23: 20

NEXT…

NEXT…

Rev. 5:8 shows the Elders in heaven bringing our prayers before God and Rev. 8:3-4 speaks of the Angels in heaven doing the SAME thing.

Elders are Specific. (quite sure that is not Mary)
Holy Angels are Specific.

Nothing implies they are more than “delivery” Servants of God…moving the Prayers “OF saints ON Earth” from one place to another..

A secretary, delivers messages To her Employer.
A pizza delivery person, delivers pizza to a customer.
(They are NOT involved with their input of Making the Request)

NEXT…

 

[Taken]

NEXT…

James writes that:
James 5:16 “The prayer of a RIGHTEOUS man availeth much”.

And… who said otherwise?
The Righteous “ARE” the saints on Earth!

NEXT …

NEXT…

Ummm, doesn’t Rom. 3:23 tell us that there is NONE righteous??

Yes… at a time IN History… NONE were offered “Salvation”… via Crucifixion with Jesus’ Body…and being introduced TO …
The offering of WAY, HOW TO, become MADE Righetous.

Since “Salvation can NOT be Given… without the Body First being “Accounted” Dead…(in Gods Books of Evidence).

NEXT…

NEXT…

That means that the ONLY ones who are TRULY righteous are in Heaven because Rev. 21:27 tess us that NOTHING unclean or impure can be in Heaven.

No. That means, you failed to Understand…
The Lords offering of His Body…The Purpose…and Result FOR men who Accept His Offering…to become MADE…
Righteous saints, by The Power of Gods SEED, and Gods Power IN Them.

NEXT…

NEXT…

Ergo – the prayers of the RIGHTEOUS (in Heaven) avaiileth much (James 5:16).
I REST my case . . .

James 5:
[16] Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

Your case IS for the Bodily Alive To petition THE Departed…

Gods Case IS for “saints ON Earth to Pray For their Fellow saints ON Earth.”
“Because the Prayer of a Saint on Earth, of the righteous ON Earth… have a priority of sorts…over “supposed prayers, petitions of, men who are Not righteous”

Examples…”Unrighteous.”
“Hey God, if you are real, prove it to me”
“Hey God, help me win the lotto”
“Hey God, will you get me a big screen TV”.

NEXT…

NEXT…

As long as YOU stop being paranoid and accusing everyone who proves you WRONG of “Gaslighting” . . .

See… now your gaslighting appears again…
I never said or implied I am paranoid.

Nor have you “proved” me wrong.

I acknowledged We Disagree.
I believe “you follow Traditions of men”…that clash, with Gods Teachings.

When Jesus was SENT To Earth…
Both Jews AND Gentiles we’re being Introduced to A Plethora of New Knowledge / Information…
To Freely Accept or Reject.

All of the Disciples / Apostles were Learning…Gods Word and Offerings…
And SENT out to DELIVER Gods Word TO the inhabitants of the Earth.

None of the Disciples / Apostles were building, erecting statues, being an Example of bowing down to them, or encouraging others to do such things.

None were praying TO the Departed saints in Heaven… or teaching such things.

None were promoting Departed Saints in Heaven are Living men on Earths’ intercessors.

They Were promoting to men ON Earth to become Made “Righteous”…MADE “saints”…by, through, of Christ Jesus’ Offering and Power.
And thereafter…pray FOR they ON Earth, who ALSO became “righteous saints”…
Whose life was often Difficult, by the “Works, powers, authority, oppressions, behaviors, of THE Unrighteous on the Earth”!!

You have only proved we Disagree…
Nothing new, as I have said that many times.

 

[Dryhn]

You haven’t – you got that part right.
It’s only when you call these 3 Persons of the Trinity, 3 different “entities” that is an issue.

God is ONE entity (1 what), manifested in 3 distinct Persons (3 who’s).

Get over yourself BOL, I do not consider you or the Vatican as the authority to teach Scripture
Go waste the time of others

 

[Stumpmaster]

Get over yourself BOL, I do not consider you an authority regarding how the English language is used.
Go waste the time of others

That's rude. Did you decide to be mean when you woke up this morning?