Mrk 16:17-18 applies today, really ? Let's see :)

[Ronald Nolette]

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17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

cast out devils
speak new tongues - speak to lost tribe in their language
take up serpents
drink deadly thing
lay hands heal - go to cancer ward & heal the dying

If you can't do the above then you are not a believer

Wrong on so many levels!

 

[ScottA]

See how you go with 2 simple questions :)

Who did Christ in Acts 9:15, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16 chose a Apostle & Minister to you ?
Who did ALL the Apostles in Gal 2:7-9 agree teaches you the Gospel

No.

 

[Anchorite]

See how you go with 2 simple questions :)

Who did Christ in Acts 9:15, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16 chose a Apostle & Minister to you ?
Who did ALL the Apostles in Gal 2:7-9 agree teaches you the Gospel

Galatians 2:7-9 does not say Paul was the only one appointed to preach the gospel to gentiles. Just as it does not say Peter was the only one appointed to preach the gospel to the Jews.

Peter preached to Cornelius, a Roman soldier.

Phillip preached to the Ethiopian eunuch.

7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)

9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

 

[MatthewG]

I don’t think those verses should even be there. Just added manuscript that was inducted by someone. Forget who. It happens sometimes.

Isn’t this the one about drinking deadly poisons and playing with snakes.

People die from it and praise God?

Some churches still play with snakes. Crazy.

 

[Dryhn]

Galatians 2:7-9 does not say Paul was the only one appointed to preach the gospel to gentiles. Just as it does not say Peter was the only one appointed to preach the gospel to the Jews.

Peter preached to Cornelius, a Roman soldier.

Phillip preached to the Ethiopian eunuch.

7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)

9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

Galatians 2:7-9 does not say Paul was the only one appointed to preach the gospel to gentiles.
ALL agreed that :-
Peter etc to teach gospel to the circ - NOT gentiles :)
Paul & Barna to teach gospel to the UNcirc/heathen - gentiles

Peter preached to Cornelius, a Roman soldier.
Was that BEFORE the Gal 2:7-9 agreement or after ?

 

[Dryhn]

Paul was certainly the principal author of the NT, and established the doctrinal basis of the gentile Church.

When you say "their audience" are you suggesting we are not Paul's "audience" today?

Who do you think Jesus was talking to in Mark 16:17-18?

Who do you think Paul was talking to in 1 Cor 12:27-31?

""Who do you think Jesus was talking to in Mark 16:17-18?""
If you can cast out devils, speak in a tongue unknown to you, lay your hands to heal the sick, drink a deadly thing, handle a lethal viper then obviously Jesus is talking to you - can you do all those things ? :)

""When you say "their audience" are you suggesting we are not Paul's "audience" today?""
I am heathen/gentile/UNcircumcison so I am the audience of Paul, and you ?

 

[Dryhn]

There is no record in the gospels that Jesus went to leper colonies and healed them all, so you cannot say we must go to cancer wards and heal all the dying.

Jesus said “thy faith hath healed thee”.

A sick person must believe that God will heal them.

""A sick person must believe that God will heal them.""
Where is that requirement listed in Mark 16:17-18 ?

 

[Dryhn]

So the real problem is that most of you AGAIN fail or refuse to understand or accept that NOT ALL of the NT applies to you today

If you can't :-
Lay hands to heal the sick
Communicate in a language unknown to you
Cast out devils
Drink a deadly thing
Handle a lethal serpent

Then Mrk 16:17-18 does NOT apply to believers/you/us today.

 

[markalan]

""Who do you think Jesus was talking to in Mark 16:17-18?""
If you can cast out devils, speak in a tongue unknown to you, lay your hands to heal the sick, drink a deadly thing, handle a lethal viper then obviously Jesus is talking to you - can you do all those things ? :)

You have not responded to the verses showing that Jesus is referring to the Church, not every individual believer.

1. the change from singular to plural in Mark 16:16-17

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;​

but he that believeth not shall be damned.​

And these signs shall follow them that believe​

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2. Paul says not everyone in the Church is used to perform miracles in 1 Cor 12:27-30

"Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.​

And God hath set some in the church, ​

first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers,​

after that miracles, then gifts of healings,​

helps, governments, diversities of tongues.​

Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers?​

are all workers of miracles?​

Have all the gifts of healing?​

do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?"​

 

[Dryhn]

You have not responded to the verses showing that Jesus is referring to the Church, not every individual believer.

1. the change from singular to plural in Mark 16:16-17

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;​

but he that believeth not shall be damned.​

And these signs shall follow them that believe​

​

2. Paul says not everyone in the Church is used to perform miracles in 1 Cor 12:27-30

"Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.​

And God hath set some in the church, first apostles,​

secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers,​

after that miracles, then gifts of healings,​

helps, governments, diversities of tongues.​

Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers?​

are all workers of miracles?​

Have all the gifts of healing?​

do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?"​

People make the Church
People drive out devils
People communicate in a language unknown to them
People handle a lethal viper
People drink a deadly thing
People lay their hands to heal the sick

When was the last time you did any of those ? :)

 

[markalan]

So the real problem is that most of you AGAIN fail or refuse to understand or accept that NOT ALL of the NT applies to you today

If you can't :-
Lay hands to heal the sick
Communicate in a language unknown to you
Cast out devils
Drink a deadly thing
Handle a lethal serpent

Then Mrk 16:17-18 does NOT apply to believers/you/us today.

All of those things still happen in the Church today - I would be surprised if you did not know of anyone who had been healed or delivered.

 

[Dryhn]

All of those things still happen in the Church today - I would be surprised if you did not know of anyone who had been healed or delivered.

You being a believer, when did you last do any of these ?

Lay hands to heal the sick
Communicate in a language unknown to you
Cast out devils
Drink a deadly thing
Handle a lethal serpent

 

[markalan]

People make the Church
People drive out devils
People communicate in a language unknown to them
People handle a lethal viper
People drink a deadly thing
People lay their hands to heal the sick

When was the last time you did any of those ? :)

You say people make the Church ... and that people (the Church) do those things ... that is what I am saying.

The Bible does not say everyone does all those things ... in fact it says the opposite in 1 Cor 12:27-30 ... which you still have not addressed.

 

[Dryhn]

You say people make the Church ... and that people (the Church) do those things ... that is what I am saying.

The Bible does not say everyone does all those things ... in fact it says the opposite in 1 Cor 12:27-30 ... which you still have not addressed.

You're a people
You're a person
You're a 'he'
You're a believer

When did markalan do any of these ?

People drive out devils
People communicate in a language unknown to them
People handle a lethal viper
People drink a deadly thing
People lay their hands to heal the sick

 

[markalan]

You're a people

no, I am not a people ... people is plural ... people are the Church

Why are you unwilling to address what Paul said about this subject?

 

[Dryhn]

no, I am not a people ... people is plural ... people are the Church

Why are you unwilling to address what Paul said about this subject?

When was the last time you :-
Cast out devils
Spoke in a language unknown to you
Drank a deadly thing
Handled a lethal serpent
Laid hands to heal the sick ?

 

[markalan]

When was the last time you :-
Cast out devils
Spoke in a language unknown to you
Drank a deadly thing
Handled a lethal serpent
Laid hands to heal the sick ?

The main problem with your interpretation is that you are saying Paul is wrong.

 

[Dryhn]

The main problem with your interpretation is that you are saying Paul is wrong.

Then the answer is NO, you have never done any of Mark 16:17,18
Conc :- Mark 16:17-18 applies to believers in another 'age'

 

[markalan]

Then the answer is NO, you have never done any of Mark 16:17,18

I did not say that ... some of those things have most definitely been a part of my Christian experience ... and all of those things have happened in our church. We do not deliberately drink deadly things or handle snakes but there are testimonies of those things from people working on the mission field (as happened to Paul on Malta).

Conc :- Mark 16:17-18 applies to believers in another 'age'

You say "another age" ... when did this age end?

15. And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.​

16. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.​

17. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;​

18. They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.​

Why do you think your explanation of Mark 16 is better than Paul's explanation in 1 Cor 12:27-30?
... especially as Mark was a companion of Paul (Acts 12:25, Colossians 4:10, Philemon 1:24, 2 Timothy 4:11)





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[Dryhn]

I did not say that ... some of those things have most definitely been a part of my Christian experience ... and all of those things have happened in our church. We do not deliberately drink deadly things or handle snakes but there are testimonies of those things from people working on the mission field (as happened to Paul on Malta).



You say "another age" ... when did this age end?

15. And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.​

16. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.​

17. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;​

18. They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.​

Why do you think you understand Mark 16 better than Paul (1 Cor 12:27-30)?
... especially as Mark was a companion of Paul (Acts 12:25, Colossians 4:10, Philemon 1:24, 2 Timothy 4:11)



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Let's make it simple :)

List ANY Church that you are aware of and can prove :-
-They speak to each other in a language UNKNOWN to the speaker yet understood by others
-They AS A GROUP have cast out devils
- Individual members have handled lethal serpents
- Individual members have drank a deadly thing
- As a group have gone to a childrens cancer ward & lay hands healed any child