You just need to get out more and expose yourself to the big bad power world of the Holy Spirit in action. It was the successor to the United Methodist Church I pastored, not a Pentecostal, who spoke in fluent Korean at a prayer meeting, a fact confirmed by a Korean present in the meeting. It was my exposure to charismatic miracles that inspired me to get my MDiv from Pronceton and dcctorate from Harvard in New Testament, Judaism, and Greco-Roman religion. How pathetic is the myopic worldview of your ilk that can't tolerate the spectacular manifestations of the Spirit that help make Pentecostalism tha fastest growing global religions movement.
Speaking in tongues?
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Hillsage
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You refuted absolutely nothing, concerning the points I posted. And I posted enough for you to at least pick one.
With so many examples of 'gifts' being performed today there would be many recordings available online for doubters to watch & be proven wrong.
Please supply confirmed cases today of the following :-
Acts 9:40
-A 'gifter' raises someone who was dead for more than a couple of days at room temperature
Mark 16:18, Acts 28:3-5
- A 'gifter' is unharmed by lethal drink & lethal snake
Acts 2:3-12
- A 'gifter' speaks in a language CONFIRMED that is unknown to him yet others near him clearly understand him
Then shut the mouths of doubters :)
With so many examples of 'gifts' being performed today there would be many recordings available online for doubters to watch & be proven wrong.
Please supply confirmed cases today of the following :-
Acts 9:40
-A 'gifter' raises someone who was dead for more than a couple of days at room temperature
Mark 16:18, Acts 28:3-5
- A 'gifter' is unharmed by lethal drink & lethal snake
Acts 2:3-12
- A 'gifter' speaks in a language CONFIRMED that is unknown to him yet others near him clearly understand him
Hillsage
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I can no more shut your 'doubting mouths', than you can shut the testimony of my mouth. A testimony backed by the scriptures I quoted ,and you who are 'not gifted' aren't refuting.
A man convinced beyond 'his will' is always of the same opinion still. You are simply faithless to walk in that which requires faith to manifest.
I'll "supply confirmed cases" to you after you "confirm casses" to us, by the very standard you're holding us to.
So, confirm that those verses you just quoted, actually happened. I believe they did, now you 'prove it'.
JimKnox
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Brethren, believe not every spirit but try the spirits whether they be of God.
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How naive of someone who claims to be "educated" that they deny the reality that "manifestations of the 'spirit ' " could and likely ARE the counterfeit of Satan.
Little does he know that a global growth in spirit manifestations is the work of Satan to confuse the masses. A "global religious movement " was prophesied and it is NOT of God. Satan is the master deceiver and how better to deceive than counterfeit "tongues signs and wonders".
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Boasting about a Harvard education is NOT the flex he thinks it is since Harvard grads cannot even tell you what a woman is these days. More deception by our enemy.
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My grandmother could tell you a few stories about "spiritual manifestations " . She was a missionary/nurse to Swaziland and founded Pigg's Peak hospital in the early 1920s. Although that was Africa, one is willfully ignorant if one believe's it is not global. One should talk to a few ACTUAL missionaries if one believes this mass psychosis in "tongues" is of God.
Rockerduck
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That's what JW's believe. If the devil knocks on your door, you'll know it. Christians always know the devil's tricks
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Chaplain James
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Chaplain James
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Speaking in tongues at age 16 was by far the most spiritually transformative experience of my life.
It was an unexpected experience at an outdoor amphitheater during which the Holy Spirit ambushed this skeptical seeking soul. First, I experienced a wind that proved to be the onrushing Spirit. Then, as I spoke in tongues, I was engulfed by wave after wave of liquid love, each wave more intense than the last, until I wondered if I could even survive such awesome overpowering holiness. An eyewitness said she saw my face glowing in the darkening amphitheater where this occurred. A skeptical Lutheran minister approached me, saying he didn't believe in tongues, ;but could see that God doing something special for me. I just touched him gently on the forehead and he just exploded in other tongues.
It was an unexpected experience at an outdoor amphitheater during which the Holy Spirit ambushed this skeptical seeking soul. First, I experienced a wind that proved to be the onrushing Spirit. Then, as I spoke in tongues, I was engulfed by wave after wave of liquid love, each wave more intense than the last, until I wondered if I could even survive such awesome overpowering holiness. An eyewitness said she saw my face glowing in the darkening amphitheater where this occurred. A skeptical Lutheran minister approached me, saying he didn't believe in tongues, ;but could see that God doing something special for me. I just touched him gently on the forehead and he just exploded in other tongues.
Chaplain James
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The elephant in the room about speaking in tongues is that even authentic tongues speakers can often speak in tongues in the flesh. Once you experience the incredible sweetness, intimacy, and love channeled by real tongues, you want the experience again and again. But the Holy Spirit doesn't jump just because we crack our whip. The gift must still be imparted rather than treated as automatic response to the speaker's whim. That's why there's great merit in the old Pentecostal phrase "lost in praise." When praise and thanksgiving flows from out mouth without conscious control, that is the ideal launching pad and safeguard for authentic tongues.
amigo de christo
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seeing i seen this title and it said the word cessationism do allow me a reminder . Now
it might sting and it might not sting but i am gonna expose something .
cessationism IS A LIE .
And now for the number two part . the word of faith movment is new age power mumbo jumbo .
And now for part three . the charasemitic movement is and has been completely overtaken by wolves in wool .
And now for the final part of this message and this is dire necessary to say .
ANYTHING and one connected to anything and one that is ecumeincal inclusive and its peace
LET ALL WHO NAME THE NAME JESUS FLEE THEM ALL . that is the lie of the lying spirit
that has come and now speaks
not only through the decieved leaders of the false religoins , such as imams and jews and etc
IT speaks through the mouths of many in christendom .
TO MERGE THEM ALL to find common ground for peace . AND ALL OF IT IS of satan . IT IS THE LIE
sent to the DECIEVED false religoins as well as the decieved in christendom .
THERE Is no place it has not entered into .
and atheiset , wicans , are under its spell as well .
THE SPELL that cries we must come together to find common ground for world peace .
THEY WONT be recieving the PEACE N SAFETY these lying spirit sold all .
RATHER they lead them all to the day wherein JESUS WILL END THEM ALL WITH SUDDEN D ESTERUcTION .
For when they shall say peace n safety ....................
these nimrods , by nimrod i mean we are one , lead them all to the day of their own destruction and perdtion .
But will lead them FIRST to all out war against the saints , the few saints , WHO DID NOT conform to this inclusive god
who is satan and its law will be enforced by the DIGITAL AI system .
1 Corinthians 14:27-28
"If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret. But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God."
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When we pray in tongues, the actual language is inconsequential. 1 Corinthians 14:2 says that when someone prays in tongues they pray not to man, but to God, and he speaks mysteries in the Spirit. Therefore, tongues primarily is for personal and private fellowship with God. Speaking in tongues in public without interpretation becomes meaningless noise because it violates Paul's teaching on it.
Because prayer is fellowship with God and not a force in itself, we don't fight evil ourselves through "battle prayer". When confronted with evil of any kind, we go to God in prayer and ask Him to fight for us. Scripture says that the battle is not ours, but the Lord's. Therefore trying to use tongues as a force in spiritual warfare is ineffectual and a waste of time and effort. We can use tongues to build ourselves up in our faith (see Jude) to use the armour of God to resist Satan, who will flee from us as we resist him. It is not that we have spiritual strength in ourselves, but God stands with us, like the angel with the sword who accompanied Joshua into battle against the Canaanites.
Forget about the actual language as some sort of "code" with which we communicate with God. We are not to be concerned about what we are actually speaking, but be assured in faith that God hears and understands the mysteries we are speaking in the Spirit.
There is a lot of spurious teaching about tongues that cannot be found in the New Testament. Most of it is made up to make tongues something that it is not, making much of the speaking is just steam going out through the whistle instead of into the driving wheels. Speaking in tongues doesn't make someone more spiritual that someone who does not. Tongues does not give entry to an exclusive elite "club" that is closer to God than others. It is a tool for increasing faith through direct fellowship with God in the Spirit.
Because prayer is fellowship with God and not a force in itself, we don't fight evil ourselves through "battle prayer". When confronted with evil of any kind, we go to God in prayer and ask Him to fight for us. Scripture says that the battle is not ours, but the Lord's. Therefore trying to use tongues as a force in spiritual warfare is ineffectual and a waste of time and effort. We can use tongues to build ourselves up in our faith (see Jude) to use the armour of God to resist Satan, who will flee from us as we resist him. It is not that we have spiritual strength in ourselves, but God stands with us, like the angel with the sword who accompanied Joshua into battle against the Canaanites.
Forget about the actual language as some sort of "code" with which we communicate with God. We are not to be concerned about what we are actually speaking, but be assured in faith that God hears and understands the mysteries we are speaking in the Spirit.
There is a lot of spurious teaching about tongues that cannot be found in the New Testament. Most of it is made up to make tongues something that it is not, making much of the speaking is just steam going out through the whistle instead of into the driving wheels. Speaking in tongues doesn't make someone more spiritual that someone who does not. Tongues does not give entry to an exclusive elite "club" that is closer to God than others. It is a tool for increasing faith through direct fellowship with God in the Spirit.
Chaplain James
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In my humble opinion the "prosperity gospel" is a false gospel.
Amigo de christo, May God, Mightily bless you and your loved ones, In Jesus's Name!
Why are you unfairly stereotyping Pentecostals and Charismatics with the prosperity Gospel slander?
I grew up in that movement and never once heard sympathy expressed for the prospersity Gospel.'
The essence of religious bigotry is to generalize from a few atypical exemplars.
I grew up in that movement and never once heard sympathy expressed for the prospersity Gospel.'
The essence of religious bigotry is to generalize from a few atypical exemplars.
Chaplain James
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I have yet to see ANY Church or person talk in a language/tongue that they have never learned as in Acts 2:4-6
Are you aware of any ?
amigo de christo
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Oh it is indeed . yet many see the prosperity of the wicked as though he is blessed of God .
But do allow me some parting words .
IF the prophet be decieved , I the LORD have deceived that prophet and i will answer him according too
the IDOLS of his heart . these super rich wealthy men and women who preach the love of money prosperity gospel
actually THINK this is a blessing . No sir . ITs a deception . The love of money IS the root of all evil .
That is why many whose love has been money have always adapted to the changing times
in order to keep pews filled and bank accounts fat .
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