SHOULD I BE WATER BAPTIZED?

[GodsGrace]

I thought the blood of Christ washed away your sins...not water.
Does this mean the blood of Christ was symbolic and the washing away of our sins by water is how it really happens?

Seriously though...
maybe it's not one or the other...
maybe it's BOTH.

Read John 6 very carefully.
Every time I read it I notice something new.
I recently noticed verse 53 and 54.
Very interesting.

 

[GodsGrace]

I understand that you are unable to answer a simple question
Please list the verses where Paul teaches WATER IMMERSE BAPTISM is a requirement to enter Heaven :)

Why does it have to be only Paul?
Did Paul go to the cross for you?

Do you believe what mark said?
Do you believe what JESUS said?

But I've already replied to this.

You must read the ENTIRE bible,,,
not just the parts you like.

 

[David Lamb]

So you really think that you need to drink the blood of Jesus Christ ?

But where to find the blood?

The Bible doesn't say that we are to drink the blood of Jesus to wash away our sins. It just says that His blood cleanses us from all sin:

NKJV 1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

No need to go searching for the blood to collect it and drink it.

 

[soberxp]

Did you ever read John 6?
You might understand it or not...
you might believe it or not....

But you most definitely should not make fun of what Jesus taught.

John 6:53-55
53So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves. 54“He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. 55“For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink.

Find out what the word EATS means in Greek in 54.
It's easy.
We have the internet now.

SHOULD I BE WATER BAPTIZED?

So, if a soldier is in a battle..and comes to know Jesus when his soldier friend presents the gospel...believe it...then is killed 10 min later with out being baptized.....is he going to hell? If a person hears a street preacher and believes.....then dies on the way to the baptismal....is he...

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I know deeply what it means to eat milk and honey in the Promised Land.
I also know what it means to eat the flesh of Jesus and drink the blood of Jesus.
Jesus Christ is the Word made flesh.
Therefore, the focus of everything points to the Word of God.
Since the first sin of Adam and Eve, absolutely everything points to the authority and glory of God, and to the Word of God.

Thanks for reminding me that.

 

[Dryhn]

Why does it have to be only Paul?
Did Paul go to the cross for you?

Do you believe what mark said?
Do you believe what JESUS said?

But I've already replied to this.

You must read the ENTIRE bible,,,
not just the parts you like.

Why does it have to be only Paul?
Ans :- Acts 9:15, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16, Gal 1:11-12, Gal 2:7-9

 

[Dryhn]

OH.
I see.
You pick out the verses that you like and ignore the rest.

A very interesting way of studying scripture.

Unfortunately, we must take all of scripture and make sense of it.
It's the only way.

Scripture presents us with baptism:

1. with water.
2. of the Holy Spirit.
3. as entrance into a group.
4. for forgiveness of sin.
5. for special strength.
6. for gifts...healing, speaking in tongues.
7. for regeneration.

Paul did baptize a few persons,,,but it was not his primary goal.
I'm sure he told those to whom he preached that they should get baptized.
And those to whom he just wrote.

I've studied baptism a few times now...
And probably will continue to do so.

Where does Paul teach WATER IMMERSE baptize is a requirement to enter Heaven ?
Verses please :)

 

[CrowCross]

Where does Paul teach WATER IMMERSE baptize is a requirement to enter Heaven ?
Verses please :)

Thats a good point.
If water baptism, immersion, was a requirement for salvation Paul or someone would have dedicated a chapter or two explaining how to baptize a person and how it works.

There would also be no verses that speak of salvation without being baptized.

There would be no cases of people in the bible getting saved prior to being baptized.

 

[GodsGrace]

Why does it have to be only Paul?
Ans :- Acts 9:15, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16, Gal 1:11-12, Gal 2:7-9

Be happy reading only Paul Dryhn.
I like to read the entire bible.

 

[GodsGrace]

Where does Paul teach WATER IMMERSE baptize is a requirement to enter Heaven ?
Verses please :)

I'm sure you have all the verse D.
I'm not here to argue with you.
Have a wonderful day looking up those Pauline teachings.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Be happy reading only Paul Dryhn.
I like to read the entire bible.

Some dont understand that the words of Christs are eternal life

 

[GodsGrace]

Thats a good point.
If water baptism, immersion, was a requirement for salvation Paul or someone would have dedicated a chapter or two explaining how to baptize a person and how it works.

There would also be no verses that speak of salvation without being baptized.

There would be no cases of people in the bible getting saved prior to being baptized.

Really C...
it's a good thing you're not on an investigative team.
ABSENCE OF EVIDENCE
IS NOT EVIDENCE OF ABSENCE

Think on that for a while.

 

[GodsGrace]

Some dont understand that the words of Christs are eternal life

Some believe Paul taught a different method of salvation than Jesus.

If this were true,,,we could throw away our bibles and just hope there's a God
and maybe one day we'll meet Him.

Paul taught exactly what Jesus taught.
He just used different words and some of us today, in these modern times, just don't understand what a jew of 2 thousand years ago would have understood.

They both taught this in order to be saved:

1. Believe in God.
2. Obey God.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Some believe Paul taught a different method of salvation than Jesus.

If this were true,,,we could throw away our bibles and just hope there's a God
and maybe one day we'll meet Him.

Paul taught exactly what Jesus taught.
He just used different words and some of us today, in these modern times, just don't understand what a jew of 2 thousand years ago would have understood.

They both taught this in order to be saved:

1. Believe in God.
2. Obey God.

the Problem I see with Paul is the same as Peter explained in 2 peter 3:16;

"as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; wherein are some things hard to be understood, which the ignorant and unstedfast wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."

people ignore that Paul epistles were destined to the church leaders and not the Gentiles directly. its why today so many are very confused about so many things and that we have so many different denominations, so many ways to interpret Paul's epistles and t people forget that it has to match the words of Christ.

It is why I always use the words of Christ on my post and rarely use Paul's unless they are not subject to interpretation. I worry also some folllow only paul and have forgotten Christ. It reminds me I must get back in teaching his words, in the llast few months i have been mostly absent from this forum but there is much work to be done sister, continue the good works and Blessings.

 

[gpresdo]

If water immerse baptism is a requirement for sober to enter Heaven please list the verses where Christ through Paul taught that to be so ?

There are 35 +/- contributors to the writings of Christ...Paul is one.
References on baptism;

Acts 19 4,5 6

4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...

John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.


Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

KJV Marrk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

KJV Matthew 3:14... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15. Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now, for thus it becometh us to fulfil all rightesousness. Then He suffered Him.

KJV Matthew 28:19..... Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:.

Acts 8:12-18: But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.

II John 3; 1...Water and spirit

Quote from Billy Graham that is note worthy;
....Also, to clarify I did not say remission of sin takes place at repentance. Scripture makes it clear that it occurs upon obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. Each is a step of faith, along with receiving the Holy Ghost, in the process of one's spiritual rebirth

.."Paul explains the doctrinal significance of what occurs when one is baptized.His explanation is found in his letter to those who had already been obedient to the command.

Paul tells the Roman Christians what actually occurred when they were/are baptized; they were baptized into His death. Being buried with Jesus into His death resulted in their sin being destroyed.

Even though Paul explains this concept, the NEW AGE RELIGION TEACHING is......... that water baptism is nothing other than a mere public display.......... And that is so far removed from the truth.

Keep in mind that Satan knows if he can continue to perpetuate that lie ...... he can keep people from entering the kingdom of God. Thus He has proven scripture which says ...in the end times there will be ...great delusions.....they are here.

Conclusion....teaching that baptism is not necessary is violation of Rev. 22;19.... And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. (Also two other books of the Bible).

Summarized from the KJV Bible 1611 edition By; G. Preston Doom. 9-4-1996.
page 2 of 2

Why must you ask such silly questions.

Just as silly as believing baptism is just a symbol.

Some just do not believe what the NT teaches.

Acts 22:16
16And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name.


1 Peter 3:21
21Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,


Mark 16:16
16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

God knows what is in the heart. He would be totally fair. Bt, keep in mund that person had plenty of time before hand to comply with God's commandments.

 

[gpresdo]

Some believe Paul taught a different method of salvation than Jesus.

If this were true,,,we could throw away our bibles and just hope there's a God
and maybe one day we'll meet Him.

Paul taught exactly what Jesus taught.
He just used different words and some of us today, in these modern times, just don't understand what a jew of 2 thousand years ago would have understood.

They both taught this in order to be saved:

1. Believe in God.
2. Obey God.

I will accept the teachings of Christ...with all respect to other teachings.

 

[gpresdo]

Then you agree that WATER IMMERSE BAPTISM is NOT taught by Paul as a requirement to enter Heaven

Water baptism is required.

 

[Dryhn]

There are 35 +/- contributors to the writings of Christ...Paul is one.
References on baptism;

Acts 19 4,5 6

4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...

John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.


Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

KJV Marrk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

KJV Matthew 3:14... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15. Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now, for thus it becometh us to fulfil all rightesousness. Then He suffered Him.

KJV Matthew 28:19..... Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:.

Acts 8:12-18: But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.

II John 3; 1...Water and spirit



God knows what is in the heart. He would be totally fair. Bt, keep in mund that person had plenty of time before hand to comply with God's commandments.

Verses please where Jesus VIA Paul teaches water immerse baptism as a Heaven entry requiement

 

[GodsGrace]

There are 35 +/- contributors to the writings of Christ...Paul is one.
References on baptism;

Acts 19 4,5 6

4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...

John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.


Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

KJV Marrk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

KJV Matthew 3:14... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15. Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now, for thus it becometh us to fulfil all rightesousness. Then He suffered Him.

KJV Matthew 28:19..... Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:.

Acts 8:12-18: But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.

II John 3; 1...Water and spirit



God knows what is in the heart. He would be totally fair. Bt, keep in mund that person had plenty of time before hand to comply with God's commandments.

If a person will not obey Jesus,,,he puts his soul in danger.
If a person is obstinate re baptism...he is against what Christ taught.
If a person believes and obeys,,,is planning to be baptized, but dies first...
God will surely be a just judge.

 

[GodsGrace]

I will accept the teachings of Christ...with all respect to other teachings.

Jesus words must always take precedence over any other teaching.
However, I do believe that all the writers expressed what Jesus taught.
The problem, as I see it, is that Paul made some statements that are not fully
understood by us...for example when he states that he is the chief sinner...this is hyperbole
to make a point.

So, yes, I do agree with you.
Jesus made salvation plain and simple to understand.
No theology necessary.