Are there contradictions in the 4 gospels concerning the resurrection of Christ?

[Mancunian]

Thanks. I’m not surprised. I have a thread on the generic issue.

Do you like irony?

I love it, I have to because I'm on this planet.

 

[Matthias]

Thanks for the links. I suppose I can just read his own words there just the same.

Mancunian, as told by @Mancunian.

 

[Matthias]

I love it, I have to because I'm on this planet.

Then you will love my position on what you’re looking for.

 

[Mancunian]

Then you will love my position on what you’re looking for.

And what's your position?

 

[Matthias]

And what's your position?

My position - against Christian opposition - is that you should have / be given what you are looking for here.

 

[marks]

I was hoping for something more.

What did you have in mind?

 

[Mancunian]

What did you have in mind?

If I knew that, I wouldn't be hoping for it, I'd already know it or have already seen it.

I was hoping for something different I suppose, something new. I'm probably more convinced about my views on Christiansity now than I was before.

 

[marks]

If I knew that, I wouldn't be hoping for it, I'd already know it or have already seen it.

Fair enough.

I was hoping for something different I suppose, something new. I'm probably more convinced about my views on Christiansity now than I was before.

You're thinking is that while there may be some creative force behind what we see, this force, while not a "personal God", might still be able to impart a certain "order" to the creation.

And that Christianity doesn't have anything to distinguish it as the unique repository of truth.

Do I understand correctly?

 

[Mancunian]

Fair enough.

You're thinking is that while there may be some creative force behind what we see, this force, while not a "personal God", might still be able to impart a certain "order" to the creation.

And that Christianity doesn't have anything to distinguish it as the unique repository of truth.

Do I understand correctly?

In a nutshell yes.

 

[Sel@h]

Jesus Christ came personally, though. His sacrifice was personal.

 

[KUWN]

In a nutshell yes.

Have you had any formal training in Apologetics? They demonstrate the Bible is true by the presence of fulfilled prophecy. For example, there were 109 prophecies related to the first coming of Christ. He fulfilled all 109. There is no human explanation for such a demonstration. This is why we don't have to take Christianity by faith, the evidence is equally as valid. Read GJohn 10.37, 38.

 

[Mancunian]

Have you had any formal training in Apologetics? They demonstrate the Bible is true by the presence of fulfilled prophecy. For example, there were 109 prophecies related to the first coming of Christ. He fulfilled all 109. There is no human explanation for such a demonstration. This is why we don't have to take Christianity by faith, the evidence is equally as valid. Read GJohn 10.37, 38.

Have you ever heard of self fulfilling prophecy?

 

[Mancunian]

The Gospel of Thomas

A collection of 114 secret sayings (logia) attributed to Jesus rather than a traditional narrative of his life. It contains no account of his birth, miracles, death, or resurrection, and features esoteric or Gnostic-leaning statements.

The Gospel of Mary (Mary Magdalene)

Focuses on Mary Magdalene as a leader and visionary who received special post-resurrection teachings from Jesus that the other male disciples did not understand.

The Gospel of Judas

A Gnostic text from the 4th century that portrays Judas Iscariot not as a villain, but as a favored disciple who acted under Jesus's instructions to hand him over.

The Infancy Gospel of Thomas

A popular "childhood" gospel filled with folklore stories about Jesus between the ages of 5 and 12, portraying him performing magical or destructive childhood miracles (such as striking other children dead).

The Gospel of Philip

An allegorical Gnostic text discussing sacramental rituals, inner spiritual transformation, and containing fragments that have fueled modern theories about Jesus and Mary Magdalene.

The Gospel of Peter

A partial text featuring a dramatic, miraculous description of Jesus exiting the tomb supported by towering angels and a speaking cross.

The Gospel of Barnabas
1974 5.0/5

A much later work (dating to the Middle Ages, around the 13th to 15th centuries) that harmonizes the story of Jesus with Islamic perspectives, including the denial of the crucifixion.

 

[Mancunian]

I like the idea of a speaking cross.

 

[Matthias]

I like the idea of a speaking cross.

Probably not what you had in mind, but thank you for bringing it to mine.

 

[KUWN]

Have you ever heard of self fulfilling prophecy?

Sure I have. Why?

 

[dak]

I don’t know why he hasn’t responded to you but here are a couple of links to posts in which he wrote about his Christian background -

Post in thread 'Conversation with An Atheist'
Conversation with An Atheist

Post in thread 'The good man that turned bad out of necessity'
The good man that turned bad out of necessity

If these aren’t enough, there are more.

I see no reason not to believe him.

I am glad to have heard his testimony about this. Being raised in the Church of England is a far cry from having been a modern mainstream American Christian. Still yet the problem is essentially the same: not having had, (or taken), the opportunity to learn the original languages of the scripture so as to be able to read the texts for himself. In other words, being able to avoid the falsified readings in both American and English Bibles which are pretty much nothing more than natural minded works of Trinitarian apologetics foisted upon the scriptures for privately held dogmas and doctrines of men.

The Master set us free from these types of religious rulers over the people, (the Sanhedrin, the Elders, and the Chief Priests, Pharisees, Sadducees, and Scibes, etc., etc.). Then what happened? the RCC set up the same type of hierarchy with themselves ruling over the people, with the power of Rome behind them, when they jumped into bed with Constantine and destroyed the earliest line of believers which were produced well before them, in the first century, a story which, of course, you will never hear from the so-called victors who got to write the history.

@Mancunian, far be it from me to try to force someone to talk to me. Have a nice life.
.

 

[Dryhn]

I like the idea of a speaking cross.

It will tell you that after your last breath you will face the one you spent your life rejecting

 

[Dryhn]

I am glad to have heard his testimony about this. Being raised in the Church of England is a far cry from having been a modern mainstream American Christian. Still yet the problem is essentially the same: not having had, (or taken), the opportunity to learn the original languages of the scripture so as to be able to read the texts for himself. In other words, being able to avoid the falsified readings in both American and English Bibles which are pretty much nothing more than natural minded works of Trinitarian apologetics foisted upon the scriptures for privately held dogmas and doctrines of men.

The Master set us free from these types of religious rulers over the people, (the Sanhedrin, the Elders, and the Chief Priests, Pharisees, Sadducees, and Scibes, etc., etc.). Then what happened? the RCC set up the same type of hierarchy with themselves ruling over the people, with the power of Rome behind them, when they jumped into bed with Constantine and destroyed the earliest line of believers which were produced well before them, in the first century, a story which, of course, you will never hear from the so-called victors who got to write the history.

@Mancunian, far be it from me to try to force someone to talk to me. Have a nice life.
.

His belief gives him hope
- He hopes that he will not wake up in eternity facing the GOD he rejected & ridiculed while alive
His belief gives him joy
- He is joyful believing that he will never see his deceased loved ones again

He is happy with the joy & hope that his belief gives him

 

[Dryhn]

The Gospel of Thomas

A collection of 114 secret sayings (logia) attributed to Jesus rather than a traditional narrative of his life. It contains no account of his birth, miracles, death, or resurrection, and features esoteric or Gnostic-leaning statements.

The Gospel of Mary (Mary Magdalene)

Focuses on Mary Magdalene as a leader and visionary who received special post-resurrection teachings from Jesus that the other male disciples did not understand.

The Gospel of Judas

A Gnostic text from the 4th century that portrays Judas Iscariot not as a villain, but as a favored disciple who acted under Jesus's instructions to hand him over.

The Infancy Gospel of Thomas

A popular "childhood" gospel filled with folklore stories about Jesus between the ages of 5 and 12, portraying him performing magical or destructive childhood miracles (such as striking other children dead).

The Gospel of Philip

An allegorical Gnostic text discussing sacramental rituals, inner spiritual transformation, and containing fragments that have fueled modern theories about Jesus and Mary Magdalene.

The Gospel of Peter

A partial text featuring a dramatic, miraculous description of Jesus exiting the tomb supported by towering angels and a speaking cross.

The Gospel of Barnabas
1974 5.0/5

A much later work (dating to the Middle Ages, around the 13th to 15th centuries) that harmonizes the story of Jesus with Islamic perspectives, including the denial of the crucifixion.

Oh wiseless one, if GOD had wanted those Gospels to be in the Bible we have today, they would be there
Keep learning oh wiseless one filled with hope & joy believing there is nothing after death