Can we know the day and hour of Jesus' return?

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amigo de christo

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The great and mighty titanic of the world has struck an ecumeincal inclusive iceberg.
And all these leaders of churches , of politics and etc
are simply trying to re arrange the chairs on a sinking ship . AS IF that gonna do any good at all .
TIME to JUMP OFF that ship and get into the life raft FOUND ONLY IN JESUS .
cause that ol ship is going down on HIS DAY and all within it along with it .
 
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There be only ONE ark , one body and one door by which to enter into that ark that is his body .
HIS NAME BE JESUS CHRIST .
the ol titanic is going down on JESUS day . The unsinkable ship of many diverse and strange iron
and colors IS GOING DOWN on JESUS day .
Time to jump that ship and enter into the one true ark of GOD , who is JESUS CHRIST and by the DOOR
of which HE IS , to enter into this ark . The worlds titanic will be sunk on THE DAY of JESUS THE CHRIST .
 
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The house is on fire and all these ecumeincal inclusive ones can do
is pay the choir to sing and to entertain the masses
into not noticing the roofs smoking . That house of many diverse and strange stones is coming DOWN on JESUS day .
Pull who ever you can from out of it .
 
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Again, the trib is not the same legth as it originally was:

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
The verses you quoted are about the great tribulation.

So, how long are you saying the length of the great tribulation was supposed to be ?

You keep using the word "trib". Stop. Use the term 70th week instead.
 

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Oh, wait....here we go again. If I don't agree with you ....God never knocked on my door and challenged my views?
God showed me the pre-tribulation rapture. I've been challenged. Pre-trib rapture is biblical.
Did you ever think that maybe it's you who should be asking the Holy Spirit how to rightly divide the Word when it comes to Jesus coming for His bride?
Your's is typical of reversing the attention. .....but as you wish, you stay on ground which washes away when the floods come.
 

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No we cannot discern the day or the hour of Christ's second advent, but it is possible to discern the possible year in which it will occur, although we must accept that the story telling accuracy is within two to five years and depends on whether or not there is reliable correlation between God's timeline and man's timeline. That is where it falls down. Jesus points to when the seventh age will begin but the time period He used is dependent upon circumstances which makes it impossible to be completely sure about the year he was pointing too.

If we can discern the length of an age, then it is possible to discern the end of the seventh age, but only if we know the actual day that is the starting point of the first day of the first age.
 

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No we cannot discern the day or the hour of Christ's second advent, but it is possible to discern the possible year in which it will occur, although we must accept that the story telling accuracy is within two to five years and depends on whether or not there is reliable correlation between God's timeline and man's timeline. That is where it falls down. Jesus points to when the seventh age will begin but the time period He used is dependent upon circumstances which makes it impossible to be completely sure about the year he was pointing too.

If we can discern the length of an age, then it is possible to discern the end of the seventh age, but only if we know the actual day that is the starting point of the first day of the first age.
Jesus gave the parable of the fig tree to know what generation will not pass away without witnessing His return.

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Jesus gave the parable of the fig tree to know what generation will not pass away without witnessing His return.

Yes Jesus did give us the parable of the fig tree, and it was only expressed in Matthew 24:32.

No other verses are linked to verse 32 like you are insisting on.
 

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Yes Jesus did give us the parable of the fig tree, and it was only expressed in Matthew 24:32.
Matthew 24: 32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
 

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The verses you quoted are about the great tribulation.

So, how long are you saying the length of the great tribulation was supposed to be ?


7 years. Now it is half that long, Rev 13.


You keep using the word "trib". Stop. Use the term 70th week instead.


I will use the term trib/tribulation becuse that is what I am referring to. The tribulation and great tribulation are the same exact 42 month period.
 

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Matthew 24: 32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Douggggggggg! What does Mat 24:33-34 have to do with Mat 24:32. My understanding is that Mat 24:33-34 has noting to do with Mat 24:32.

Quoting Mat 24:32-34 back at me does not proves that your understanding is correct.

Presenting a logical coherent rebuttal will still convince me that your understanding is still completely wrong.
 

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7 years. Now it is half that long, Rev 13.
No, the great tribulation was never intended to be seven years long. Jesus said in Matthew 24:15-21 that the great tribulation will begin when the abomination of desolation is presence in the holy place as spoken of by Daniel the prophet.

In Daniel 12:11-12, the abomination of desolation will be setup, followed by 1290 days, and ending after 1335 days.

The great tribulation will be 1335 days long.

I will use the term trib/tribulation becuse that is what I am referring to. The tribulation and great tribulation are the same exact 42 month period.
Use terms that are clear. Do not use the term "trib", nor the term "tribulation".

Use the term "70th week". Or "7 years".

The great tribulation will last longer than 42 months. It will last 1335 days.
 
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Douggggggggg! What does Mat 24:33-34 have to do with Mat 24:32. My understanding is that Mat 24:33-34 has noting to do with Mat 24:32.
Well, there's your problem.

Verse 33 begins with "So likewise". That connects verses 33-34 to verse 32.

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
 

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No, the great tribulation was never intended to be seven years long.

It was, according to some interpretations in Daniel. Doesn't matter now because it was shortened and Rev has 42 months.

Jesus said in Matthew 24:15-21 that the great tribulation will begin when the abomination of desolation is presence in the holy place as spoken of by Daniel the prophet.

In Daniel 12:11-12, the abomination of desolation will be setup, followed by 1290 days, and ending after 1335 days.

The great tribulation will be 1335 days long.

It's only 42 months or 1260 days now.


Use terms that are clear. Do not use the term "trib", nor the term "tribulation".

No. I will use the terms I choose to use.


Use the term "70th week". Or "7 years".

The great tribulation will last longer than 42 months. It will last 1335 days.

Wrong. You are mixing two completely different prophecies together. The end times tribulation period in the newest book of prophecy is 42 months, not one day longer. 1335 cannot be takes from Daniel and forced into Revelation.
 

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Wrong. You are mixing two completely different prophecies together. The end times tribulation period in the newest book of prophecy is 42 months, not one day longer. 1335 cannot be takes from Daniel and forced into Revelation.
So you don't believe what Daniel the prophet wrote in Daniel 12:11-12 concerning the abomination of desolation setup ?
 

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So you don't believe what Daniel the prophet wrote in Daniel 12:11-12 concerning the abomination of desolation setup ?


I believe Christ when he said the length of the trib would be shortened.
 

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I believe Christ when he said the length of the trib would be shortened.
Jesus referred to Daniel the prophet regarding the abomination of desolation setup to begin the great tribulation. So you don't believe what Daniel wrote in Daniel 12:11-12 ?

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
 

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Well, there's your problem.

Verse 33 begins with "So likewise". That connects verses 33-34 to verse 32.

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

It is not my problem Douggg, your understanding is the way many others have forced an understanding because of a misunderstanding of the Greek word translated as "generation" which also has the meaning of and "Age" with a duration of over 1,000 years, which is a season, plus the little while period during which time, Satan and the judged rebellious heavenly host will attempt to wrestle God for God's Saints during the little while period at the end of the Seventh Age.

Your argument that "So likewise," connects verses 33-34 to verse 32, however, I would suggest to you that "So likewise" actually only connects Mat 24:4-31 with verse 32, which is a more realistic perspective than what you suggest.

Verse 32 connects when, some of the Israelite descendants, return to the Land of Canaan, in their own strength, when the fig tree begins to bud new leaves as a sign for when the Nation of Israel will no longer be visited by the iniquities of their fathers upon their children and the children's children during the third and the fourth generation/age measured from the time of Isaac's birth at the beginning of the third generation/age of mankind which, I believe will end at the completion of the sixth generation/age of mankind, probably around the year 2044/2045 AD when the completion of the Gentiles trampling God's Sanctuary and His Earthly Hosts will also occur.

God foretold Jacob, that most of his descendants will remain scattered though the whole earth up and until His purposes for them has been accomplished so that they would become a Blessing for all of the people of the earth who deliberately chose to inhabit God's fertile soil.

When Israel choses to return to worship God at the beginning of the seventh generation/age, that He would also enter into a covenant of peace with the nation of Israel by removing all of the wild and evil beasts and Satan from the face of the earth for a period of time. Isaiah 24:21-22 informs us of the mechanism that God will use to remove the judged rebellious angels from off the face of the earth so that Israel will have peace during the time of the Great Harvest Season of souls.

Douggg your lack of wisdom in understanding the scripture is like a woman whose slip is showing to draw men away from their first love of God.
 

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Your argument that "So likewise," connects verses 33-34 to verse 32, however, I would suggest to you that "So likewise" actually only connects Mat 24:4-31 with verse 32, which is a more realistic perspective than what you suggest.
"So likewise" is in verse 33, right after verse 32. Not in verse 32, right after verse 31.