Speaking in tongues?

[markalan]

would you hold your child and ask God to heal him/her?
Yes and if GOD so chose to GOD would.

so it appears you do not believe that miracles have stopped ... that is good to hear

 

[markalan]

The most obvious problem with this presentation is that it ignores the fact some of Paul's most amazing miracles occurred after Paul left Trophimus & Timothy behind with their illnesses
- raising Eutychus from the dead (Acts 20),
- surviving a venomous snake bite,
- healing the people on Malta (Acts 28).

Paul wrote 2 Corinthians on his last missionary journey after he left Corinth: Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds (2 Cor 12:12) ... and yet those miracles are not recorded in Acts.

There is no indication in Scripture that Paul lost the "signs of an apostle" as this presenter claims.

"For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable." (Romans 11:29)

 

[amigo de christo]

John, Peter and James were the "Pillars." They established the foundational doctrine. They were not theologians, Paul was the theologian who got into the nuts and bolts of doctrine, so to speak. But for simple foundational refreshment I always resort to the Pillars.

John , pe ter , james and paul were not at odds at all with each other .
And they all preached the same gospel and the teachings of JESUS .
Why on earth people pit apostle against apostel proves they heed men and not God .
I was reading over the site and seen one say Pual is his apostel .
To which is say , THEY ALL were . And they all taught TRUTH . every letter is for our good .
James and paul did not contradict each other OR CHRIST JESUS . none of them did .
And they all did heed that one same HOLY SPIRIT of TRUTH , the SPIRIT of GOD and of CHRIST .
WHO IS the truth.
Paul himself had rebuked a whole mess o f olks who now preach what is called pauline gospel .
HE nev er taught it . HE taught the same one the apostels all did and JESUS DID .
Resort to all of those letters they wrote and left us to read in that bible .

 

[Biblica]

List just one confirmed verifiable occurrence 'today' of a critically ill baby that recovered within hours of having hands laid on them

1. Aliyah — failure to thrive reversed after hands laid on the parents (Foursquare Church). A couple in Anaheim, California was given a devastating prenatal diagnosis, and doctors flagged the pregnancy as high-risk with poor growth. At their church's Christmas Eve service, Pastors Jerry and Kimberly Dirmann "prayed in the Holy Spirit, laid hands on Jordan and me" (the parents), praying for the mother's body to properly nourish the baby. Weeks later, a replacement doctor reviewing their ultrasounds said the baby had "suddenly started growing" over the previous six weeks and had caught up to normal size, and the "high-risk" designation was removed. Aliyah Peaceful Wall was born on March 27, 2017 with no complications or special needs (Foursquare News + Resources).

2. Tricia — congenital heart defect closed (Joseph Prince Ministries). Baby Tricia in Singapore was diagnosed with an ostium primum atrial septal defect (a hole in her heart plus an extra blood vessel). Four cardiologists said this type of hole could never close on its own and open-heart surgery was inevitable. After attending a church service where her parents received prayer and held onto Isaiah 53, a May 2015 echocardiogram ended with the cardiologist saying, "The hole has closed." The surgery was cancelled. Notably, this happened through congregational prayer and confession rather than a literal laying on of hands (Joseph Prince Ministries).
3. Natasha — post-surgical bleeding stops after prayer (Salt&Light, Singapore). Ten-month-old Natasha had a severely abnormal skull and underwent a nine-hour operation at KK Women's and Children's Hospital in 2003. Afterwards she bled profusely in the ICU, and doctors said they'd reopen her skull if the bleeding didn't stop by the evening's second check. Her mother knelt and prayed, saying she sensed God promising the bleeding would stop; her father then saw the blood in the drainage tube drying up. It's worth knowing this mother had earlier gone church to church asking for a healing that would avoid surgery — and felt God directed her to proceed with the operation instead (Salt&Light).
4. A baby in Chile — cerebral palsy "left her body" after prayer meetings and an anointed cloth (IPHC World Missions). A woman testifies that after her birth, nurses said she would die; her mother prayed while others — including a pastor's wife's weekly prayer group in California — prayed for her, and later mailed an anointed cloth sewn onto her pajamas. One month later, she says, "all evidence of the Cerebral Palsy left my little body" (IPHC World Missions).

 

[Biblica]

John , pe ter , james and paul were not at odds at all with each other .
And they all preached the same gospel and the teachings of JESUS .
Why on earth people pit apostle against apostel proves they heed men and not God .
I was reading over the site and seen one say Pual is his apostel .
To which is say , THEY ALL were . And they all taught TRUTH . every letter is for our good .
James and paul did not contradict each other OR CHRIST JESUS . none of them did .
And they all did heed that one same HOLY SPIRIT of TRUTH , the SPIRIT of GOD and of CHRIST .
WHO IS the truth.
Paul himself had rebuked a whole mess o f olks who now preach what is called pauline gospel .
HE nev er taught it . HE taught the same one the apostels all did and JESUS DID .
Resort to all of those letters they wrote and left us to read in that bible .

You are right. They are all equal, however John, Peter and James were the ones who were there first and they each represent a pillar of doctrine that must be in balance or the church will wobble off balance. Briefly: John represents the gospel - John 3:16, and the foundation of that pillar is the atonement. Peter represents holiness or discipleship and James represents service. I wanted to post a more detailed examination of this principle and the pillars foundations which I will do on another thread. The points is all three of these basic foundational pillars must be operational and equally balanced in a church. We can't have one without the other and we can't emphasize one with out the other, because like the Trinity they are all related.

 

[Biblica]

A wonderful testimony.

Thank you and most of all thank Him!

 

[Biblica]

You are conflating two separate doctrines.
It's a common mistake by carnal charismatics who pretend to be theologians.
The baptism of the Holy Spirit today is NOT a repeat of Acts 2.
EVERY believer has a ministry. There you go again with your self righteous elitism.

If you study how some of the revivalists operated, and the results of their personal baptism of the Holy Spirit and the amazing results they had, then we can definitely say that what they experienced and the results they had were a repeat of Acts two. You need to do some research.
I agree every believer has a ministry but there are many of them who do not know that, and do not ask God for what they need for ministry. God tells us to ask Him and He will give us the Holy Spirit. Luke 11:13

 

[Biblica]

Yet no mention of ANY baby in critical care that fully recovered c/- lay hands << that would be a WONDEFUL testimony :)

1. Aliyah — failure to thrive reversed after hands laid on the parents (Foursquare Church). A couple in Anaheim, California was given a devastating prenatal diagnosis, and doctors flagged the pregnancy as high-risk with poor growth. At their church's Christmas Eve service, Pastors Jerry and Kimberly Dirmann "prayed in the Holy Spirit, laid hands on Jordan and me" (the parents), praying for the mother's body to properly nourish the baby. Weeks later, a replacement doctor reviewing their ultrasounds said the baby had "suddenly started growing" over the previous six weeks and had caught up to normal size, and the "high-risk" designation was removed. Aliyah Peaceful Wall was born on March 27, 2017 with no complications or special needs (Foursquare News + Resources).

2. Tricia — congenital heart defect closed (Joseph Prince Ministries). Baby Tricia in Singapore was diagnosed with an ostium primum atrial septal defect (a hole in her heart plus an extra blood vessel). Four cardiologists said this type of hole could never close on its own and open-heart surgery was inevitable. After attending a church service where her parents received prayer and held onto Isaiah 53, a May 2015 echocardiogram ended with the cardiologist saying, "The hole has closed." The surgery was cancelled. Notably, this happened through congregational prayer and confession rather than a literal laying on of hands (Joseph Prince Ministries).

3. Natasha — post-surgical bleeding stops after prayer (Salt&Light, Singapore). Ten-month-old Natasha had a severely abnormal skull and underwent a nine-hour operation at KK Women's and Children's Hospital in 2003. Afterwards she bled profusely in the ICU, and doctors said they'd reopen her skull if the bleeding didn't stop by the evening's second check. Her mother knelt and prayed, saying she sensed God promising the bleeding would stop; her father then saw the blood in the drainage tube drying up. It's worth knowing this mother had earlier gone church to church asking for a healing that would avoid surgery — and felt God directed her to proceed with the operation instead (Salt&Light).

4. A baby in Chile — cerebral palsy "left her body" after prayer meetings and an anointed cloth (IPHC World Missions). A woman testifies that after her birth, nurses said she would die; her mother prayed while others — including a pastor's wife's weekly prayer group in California — prayed for her, and later mailed an anointed cloth sewn onto her pajamas. One month later, she says, "all evidence of the Cerebral Palsy left my little body" (IPHC World Missions).

 

[JimKnox]

From your responses I don't think that you have ever experienced the Lord's presence. The UPC is characterized by a very strong religious spirit. People under that spirit, whether they are Pentecostals or Baptists never really have a sense of the presence of the Lord in their lives. This is something you should take to the Lord in prayer and ask him to remove any religious spirits that may have attached themselves to you from the UPC.

There you go again with your prideful self righteousness.
In one post you say you are not judging and then turn around and do exactly that.
You are two faced and typical of Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, Kathryn Kuhlman and the rest of the charlatans.

 

[Chaplain James]

 

[JimKnox]

That guy is wrong on every point he made.
Blaming the devil? Who does this guy think he is; Flip Wilson?
And then twisting Scripture to make it say Paul is boasting about the fleshly practice of nonsensical babbling? That clown is also a charlatan.

 

[Chaplain James]

That guy is wrong on every point he made.
Blaming the devil? Who does this guy think he is; Flip Wilson?
And then twisting Scripture to make it say Paul is boasting about the fleshly practice of nonsensical babbling? That clown is also a charlatan.

It's a good thing that we all will be present at the White Throne of Judgement or the Judgement Seat of Christ, so God can judge all matters.

 

[rebuilder 454]

List any confirmed occurrence where a critically ill baby in hospital recovered within hours of having hands laid on them.
TIA :)

Are you a cessationist?
I have heard cessationist make the argument that miracles are bad because it involves "seeking a sign".

Try this one on.
It is David Hogan in Mexico seeing hundreds raised from the dead.
It is awesome to me.
FF to 17:09 and the dead are raised.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Classic CHARISMATIC response.

I don't care if you are Pentecostal, Oneness Pentecostal, Assembly of God, Foursquare or Goofey and Pluto ministering at the First Holiness Church of the Ridgid Fridgid. You are wrong.

I am not going to play "one up" with you. You glory in your flesh and call it the Holy Ghost; not a wise practice but that is between you and the Lord at the Judgement Seat of Christ.

I don't care if you have been "pastoring" for 75 years. You are wrong. The Nazarene Church got its start because they rejected your nonsense.

There is no such thing as "more" of Christ. We are COMPLETE in HIM. Colossians 2: 8-12.

It is not I who "judgeth" you, it is the words of God.

(Edit: FYI, Charismatic is the term used by theologians worldwide to describe the collection of churches who practice that tongues nonsense. I surrendered to Christ, was immersed in water and "got the hully gust" in a UPC in the mountains of Idaho. I followed that nonsense [tie-my-bow-tie] for ten years as I stated earlier. Again you make self righteous assumptions so you can glory in your flesh over others)

Ephesians 1
17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

Ephesians 3
16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;

17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,

18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;

19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

Now why would any believer bother to pray any of that?
.....since, as you say, it would be nonsense?

 

[Chaplain James]

Matthew 24:12 "Sin will be rampant everywhere, and the love of many will grow cold." NLT

 

[Chaplain James]

Psalm 133:1. "How wonderful and pleasant it is when brothers live together in harmony!". NLT

 

[JimKnox]

Ephesians 1
17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

Ephesians 3
16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;

17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,

18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;

19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

Now why would any believer bother to pray any of that?
.....since, as you say, it would be nonsense?

More of the same classic CHARISMATIC conflating of two DIFFERENT doctrines.
This is not that and that is not this.
Things that are different are not the same.

 

[Chaplain James]

 

[Dryhn]

1. Aliyah — failure to thrive reversed after hands laid on the parents (Foursquare Church). A couple in Anaheim, California was given a devastating prenatal diagnosis, and doctors flagged the pregnancy as high-risk with poor growth. At their church's Christmas Eve service, Pastors Jerry and Kimberly Dirmann "prayed in the Holy Spirit, laid hands on Jordan and me" (the parents), praying for the mother's body to properly nourish the baby. Weeks later, a replacement doctor reviewing their ultrasounds said the baby had "suddenly started growing" over the previous six weeks and had caught up to normal size, and the "high-risk" designation was removed. Aliyah Peaceful Wall was born on March 27, 2017 with no complications or special needs (Foursquare News + Resources).

2. Tricia — congenital heart defect closed (Joseph Prince Ministries). Baby Tricia in Singapore was diagnosed with an ostium primum atrial septal defect (a hole in her heart plus an extra blood vessel). Four cardiologists said this type of hole could never close on its own and open-heart surgery was inevitable. After attending a church service where her parents received prayer and held onto Isaiah 53, a May 2015 echocardiogram ended with the cardiologist saying, "The hole has closed." The surgery was cancelled. Notably, this happened through congregational prayer and confession rather than a literal laying on of hands (Joseph Prince Ministries).

3. Natasha — post-surgical bleeding stops after prayer (Salt&Light, Singapore). Ten-month-old Natasha had a severely abnormal skull and underwent a nine-hour operation at KK Women's and Children's Hospital in 2003. Afterwards she bled profusely in the ICU, and doctors said they'd reopen her skull if the bleeding didn't stop by the evening's second check. Her mother knelt and prayed, saying she sensed God promising the bleeding would stop; her father then saw the blood in the drainage tube drying up. It's worth knowing this mother had earlier gone church to church asking for a healing that would avoid surgery — and felt God directed her to proceed with the operation instead (Salt&Light).

4. A baby in Chile — cerebral palsy "left her body" after prayer meetings and an anointed cloth (IPHC World Missions). A woman testifies that after her birth, nurses said she would die; her mother prayed while others — including a pastor's wife's weekly prayer group in California — prayed for her, and later mailed an anointed cloth sewn onto her pajamas. One month later, she says, "all evidence of the Cerebral Palsy left my little body" (IPHC World Missions).

Do some learning then come back & chat with me :)

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