Why do they hate being called Christians

[mjrhealth]

This bit

1Co 1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
1Co 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

and yet here it is plane as teh nose on ones face to see (unless you are blind)

One says im a Jw another an SD another a Orthodx another a protestant, why do they not call them selves Christians (left oen out to not offend im sure you get the picture)

Do you not know that where I man joins He becomes a part of, t obecome a JW you must accept there doctrines wrong or right as for any other denomination, which is why it says

Mat_15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Mar_7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Col_2:22 Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?

This bit

Isa_30:1 Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin:

And so men and teh devil has divided teh "body" .

all Christians are given teh Holy Spirit, the seed of God, if Jesus is not enough than you relgion wil lonly kill you.

Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

worst of all

Tit_1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate

I hope you can see

 

[epostle1]

Are there any Christians on the planet besides you?

 

[mjrhealth]

No the world is full of them, havnt you noticed, we are called "christians" because of Jesus the Christ, why is it such a problem to you. Havnt you noticed this is called " Christianity Board".

 

[Josho]

No the world is full of them, havnt you noticed, we are called "christians" because of Jesus the Christ, why is it such a problem to you. Havnt you noticed this is called " Christianity Board".

Some would argue that the title "Christians" is given to us by the world. There's nothing wrong with being called or calling ourselves Christians though, but there are other titles too, disciples of Christ, followers of Christ, Holy Ghost warriors, sheep from God's flock, members of the Body of Christ, temples of the Holy Spirit. It's not so much about the title, but what is in our hearts.

 

[OzSpen]

Some would argue that the title "Christians" is given to us by the world. There's nothing wrong with being called or calling ourselves Christians though, but there are other titles too, disciples of Christ, followers of Christ, Holy Ghost warriors, sheep from God's flock, members of the Body of Christ, temples of the Holy Spirit. It's not so much about the title, but what is in our hearts.

Josho,

Here in Brisbane, if you stood in the Queen Street Mall in the CBD and identified yourself as one of the 'Holy Ghost warriors', most people would label you as belonging in the mental health facility. 'Temples of the Holy Spirit' and 'the Body of Christ' are just as nebulous for secular people.

I think Christian or follower of Christ would be acceptable, but then one has to decide which 'Christ' as He has been so misrepresented that who He is has become a mystery here in the land Down Under.

Oz

 

[Josho]

Josho,

Here in Brisbane, if you stood in the Queen Street Mall in the CBD and identified yourself as one of the 'Holy Ghost warriors', most people would label you as belonging in the mental health facility. 'Temples of the Holy Spirit' and 'the Body of Christ' are just as nebulous for secular people.

I think Christian or follower of Christ would be acceptable, but then one has to decide which 'Christ' as He has been so misrepresented that who He is has become a mystery here in the land Down Under.

Oz

Indeed it's very sad, when ya turn on the news all you hear is the bad stuff going on in the Church, and it's just sickening, it doesn't give the church a good image at all, a lot of these pedophile priests and pastors are causing many to stumble away from Christ.

 

[epostle1]

If a person's faith is shaken by the sickness of a small % of clergyman, it doesn't say much about their faith.

 

[FHII]

If a person's faith is shaken by the sickness of a small % of clergyman, it doesn't say much about their faith.

My faith in Christ isn't shaken, nor is my faith in God's chosen men shaken.

 

[Josho]

If a person's faith is shaken by the sickness of a small % of clergyman, it doesn't say much about their faith.

Whether shaken or not, it still is pretty sick to be hearing all this stuff on the news about the Church on a regular basis, it's not just going against God's word, it ruins families, it ruins people's lives, it makes them feel dirty, unclean, it's not so easy for them to pick themselves up again, ya know, it has sent many backsliding, because a so called "man of God" has done such a thing, and it may be only a small percentage, but it's has been a major cause for the past few generations to turn away from Christ in Australia, you hear all these people and they have such bitterness and unforgiveness towards the Church, when it's not a true representation of Christ, that's how much it hurts and affects victims, and yes it's the victim's part to forgive, but it's such a hard thing to forgive, when you have been raped like that. These victims need help, they need somewhere safe to get prayer, they need to see the true representation of Christ. The last thing these victims need to hear from the Church is "It doesn't say much about their faith."

I will put this testimony in short, it doesn't have anything to do with rape, but is an example of how much others can damage someone, you know God kept my dad up yesterday morning, he had a friend request on facebook, he didn't know whether to accept it or not, so he accepted it, and this lady is from the other side of the world in Wales, she was posting suicidal posts on her facebook wall, and the way the Church had treated her, she was about to end it all, but dad got into contact with her just in time, he called her on facebook, and she answered, she was crying and crying, Dad said "don't worry Jesus has got your back" she replied "No he doesn't" then dad replied back "He must have, his has kept me up in my pyjamas" so dad sent her bible verses and tried to cheer her up, he also told her, his testimony about how he was healed from a broken life when my dad gave his life to Jesus. He then got into contact with someone else he knew in Wales that could help her, and told this pastor, that she needs help, the pastor replied "Ok we can meet up with her next weekend" dad replied "No, she needs help now!" So the Pastor replied "Ok I will ring the police" The police came to this ladies house within half an hour, dad kept sending her testimonies and bible verses, and the cops arrived, and she didn't die. Later on when she was more settled, she apologized to God for the language she used and all her facebook friends, and thanked my dad for saving her life, thanked God for sending my dad to intervene, and other people who tried to help, she then told my dad all that happened, how her dad commited suicide, and some other relative did, and how the "Church" attacked her, and said she had a "spirit of suicide" that she "had to go to church every sabbath to be saved" that she "was of the devil", and much more I'm sure, she was battling depression and all this negativity was being said against her. This is a real example of how damaging we "the Church" can be, if we don't watch our words, and we gotta be careful, we shouldn't go saying damaging things to people who have already been wounded.

Sorry for going off topic, but i just felt this needed to be shared, but i guess i should post this testimony in testimonials as well, it's a great one, I don't want any of you to feel bad in anyway, it's something to put into consideration. I myself too am guilty of using damaging words against others too, I think some debates have got a little too heated on this forum, so i myself have to be careful too, we all gotta be careful and I hope those people are alright who have left this forum.

 

[mjrhealth]

And Joshso those are the ones we pray for, as they have done themselves a great disservice and Judgement will fall upon them heavily. My friend Pia and her children have being through same.

Mat_18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

 

[OzSpen]

If a person's faith is shaken by the sickness of a small % of clergyman, it doesn't say much about their faith.

kepha,
That's a pathetic attitude towards those children who have been sexually abused by Roman Catholic paedophile priests. This article from ABC News, 8 Feb 2017, 'Child sex abuse royal commission: Data reveals extent of Catholic allegations' stated:

The Australian Catholic Church has released "grim" data revealing 7 per cent of priests, working between 1950 and 2009, have been accused of child sex crimes.
The worst-offending institutions, by proportion of their religious staff, have been shown to be the orders of brothers, who often run schools and homes for the most vulnerable of children.

This is the most substantial dataset released to date about the extent of child sex abuse within the Australian Catholic Church, and was done with cooperation from them as part of the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse.

The church surveyed 10 religious institutes and 75 church authorities to uncover the abuse data on priests, non-ordained brothers and sisters, and other church personnel who were employed between 1950 and 2009.

4,444 alleged cases recorded

Faith should be shaken when we discover that 7% of RC priests in Australia are alleged to have sexually abused children. That's an outrageous statistic and there is evidence before this Royal Commission that the church knew some of it was going on and failed to act.
Oz

 

[OzSpen]

My faith in Christ isn't shaken, nor is my faith in God's chosen men shaken.

It's time for you to get real and start talking to children (some have grown up now) who have been abused by RC priests and their lives have been wrecked. Your faith in Christ isn't shaken, but theirs is. Some of the alleged 'chosen' men have turned out to be rogues who took advantage of innocent children.

The children trusted these priests and it is alleged 4,444 have been abused by priests here in Australia. That's hardly a godly mark that has been left for Aussies to see. It is a gross violation of children that they see.

Oz

 

[BreadOfLife]

kepha,
That's a pathetic attitude towards those children who have been sexually abused by Roman Catholic paedophile priests. This article from ABC News, 8 Feb 2017, 'Child sex abuse royal commission: Data reveals extent of Catholic allegations' stated:
Faith should be shaken when we discover that 7% of RC priests in Australia are alleged to have sexually abused children. That's an outrageous statistic and there is evidence before this Royal Commission that the church knew some of it was going on and failed to act.
Oz

It's time for you to get real and start talking to children (some have grown up now) who have been abused by RC priests and their lives have been wrecked. Your faith in Christ isn't shaken, but theirs is. Some of the alleged 'chosen' men have turned out to be rogues who took advantage of innocent children.

The children trusted these priests and it is alleged 4,444 have been abused by priests here in Australia. That's hardly a godly mark that has been left for Aussies to see. It is a gross violation of children that they see.

Oz

No - what's pathetic is the refusal to open your Protestant eyes and see that this is also happening in YOUR churches. Some sources say, at a greater rate than that of the Catholic Church.

According to Protestant author, Philip Jenkins' book Pedophiles and Priests, the problem is FAR worse in Protestant churches, Jewish synagogues and school districts. The reason that the Catholic Church gets targeted is because it is the largest Christian entity and because of its perceived wealth. You see - the lawyers just don't go after the Protestant churches and small synagogues because there's no money in it.

When the scandal first broke - one law firm in the Los Angeles excitedly exclaimed on the news, "We're going to bankrupt the Catholic Church!"
Sort of gives you an insight about their "outrage". They wouldn't waste their time with any of the smaller fish.

So - before you go around pointing fingers at the Catholic Church - clean up your own back yard because there's PLENTY of blame to go around . . .

 

[mjrhealth]

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Its not uneducted its in the news. $45 million i think it was, christian brothers ( a catholic based school) has paid to child abuse victims since 1950. Now you are educated.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Its not uneducted its in the news. $45 million i think it was, christian brothers ( a catholic based school) has paid to child abuse victims since 1950. Now you are educated.

Apparently - YOU didn't read post #14.
Do your homework . . .

 

[OzSpen]

No - what's pathetic is the refusal to open your Protestant eyes and see that this is also happening in YOUR churches. Some sources say, at a greater rate than that of the Catholic Church.

According to Protestant author, Philip Jenkins' book Pedophiles and Priests, the problem is FAR worse in Protestant churches, Jewish synagogues and school districts. The reason that the Catholic Church gets targeted is because it is the largest Christian entity and because of its perceived wealth. You see - the lawyers just don't go after the Protestant churches and small synagogues because there's no money in it.

When the scandal first broke - one law firm in the Los Angeles excitedly exclaimed on the news, "We're going to bankrupt the Catholic Church!"
Sort of gives you an insight about their "outrage". They wouldn't waste their time with any of the smaller fish.

So - before you go around pointing fingers at the Catholic Church - clean up your own back yard because there's PLENTY of blame to go around . . .

BreadofLife,

You do have a bit of heat in your response.

In Australia right now, there is a Royal Commission into sexual abuse in the churches. Yes, it is happening in Protestant Churches, however by far the greatest percentage is in the Roman Catholic Church. This news item from a month ago stated:

So more than 20% of the RCC clergy here in Australia are allegedly paedophiles.

More than 20 per cent of the members of some Catholic religious orders — including Marist Brothers and Christian Brothers — were allegedly involved in child sexual abuse, a royal commission hearing in Sydney has been told (Royal commission into child sexual abuse: 1,880 alleged perpetrators identified in Catholic Church, 7 Feb 2017, ABC News, Brisbane, Qld)

The Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse has a link the Case Studies being investigated. These are examples from the ...

• Salvation Army,
• Baptist Churches of NSW & ACT,
• Anglican Church. This article by Patrick Parkinson stated; 'What little evidence there is suggests that rates of abuse are much lower in other faith communities than in the Catholic Church. Our own study of child sexual abuse in the Anglican Church of Australia would appear to be the only substantial and systematic study of the issue in a Protestant faith community' (Child sexual abuse and the churches: A story of moral failure? Religion and Ethics, 2013)
• Jehovah's Witness organisation,
• Uniting Church,

Perhaps the RCC needs to take a closer look at why sexual abuse rates are so high among its clergy.

Oz

 

[BreadOfLife]

BreadofLife,

You do have a bit of heat in your response.

In Australia right now, there is a Royal Commission into sexual abuse in the churches. Yes, it is happening in Protestant Churches, however by far the greatest percentage is in the Roman Catholic Church. This news item from a month ago stated:

So more than 20% of the RCC clergy here in Australia are allegedly paedophiles.

More than 20 per cent of the members of some Catholic religious orders — including Marist Brothers and Christian Brothers — were allegedly involved in child sexual abuse, a royal commission hearing in Sydney has been told (Royal commission into child sexual abuse: 1,880 alleged perpetrators identified in Catholic Church, 7 Feb 2017, ABC News, Brisbane, Qld)

The Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse has a link the Case Studies being investigated. These are examples from the ...

• Salvation Army,
• Baptist Churches of NSW & ACT,
• Anglican Church. This article by Patrick Parkinson stated; 'What little evidence there is suggests that rates of abuse are much lower in other faith communities than in the Catholic Church. Our own study of child sexual abuse in the Anglican Church of Australia would appear to be the only substantial and systematic study of the issue in a Protestant faith community' (Child sexual abuse and the churches: A story of moral failure? Religion and Ethics, 2013)
• Jehovah's Witness organisation,
• Uniting Church,

Perhaps the RCC needs to take a closer look at why sexual abuse rates are so high among its clergy.

Oz

First of all - my post didn't have any more "heat" than yours or some of the rest. I think the only reason YOU think it did is because I objected to your remarks and let you know that this is happening in your own churches as well.
This doesn't excuse the small number of priests who have been found guilty - but it DOES call for fair reporting from Protestants.

As for the book I referred to - it concentrated on the problem in the U.S. There were FAR more priests that were initially implicated but those numbers were found to be phony and there was no evidence brought against them. Just more people looking for a "quick buck." As a matter of fact - the number convicted priests in the U.S only accounted for less than 1% of American priests.

Again - this is NOT an excuse, as ONE is too many.
It DOES, however, show a REAL prejudice against the Catholic Church by, not only the press - but by you Protestants as well.

 

[OzSpen]

First of all - my post didn't have any more "heat" than yours or some of the rest. I think the only reason YOU think it did is because I objected to your remarks and let you know that this is happening in your own churches as well.
This doesn't excuse the small number of priests who have been found guilty - but it DOES call for fair reporting from Protestants.

As for the book I referred to - it concentrated on the problem in the U.S. There were FAR more priests that were initially implicated but those numbers were found to be phony and there was no evidence brought against them. Just more people looking for a "quick buck." As a matter of fact - the number convicted priests in the U.S only accounted for less than 1% of American priests.

Again - this is NOT an excuse, as ONE is too many.
It DOES, however, show a REAL prejudice against the Catholic Church by, not only the press - but by you Protestants as well.

BreadofLife,

I showed NO prejudice against the RCC in the stats I provided as I gave you links to Protestant bodies as well, where sexual abuse has happened. However, it is a horrific statistic that in Australia 20% of RC priests are alleged paedophiles.

These are not stats I've invented. They came from the Royal Commission.

I agree with you that one clergy who is a paedophile is one too many.

And we haven't discussed the prevalence of HIV/AIDS among RC clergy.

Oz

 

[tom55]

BreadofLife,

You do have a bit of heat in your response.

In Australia right now, there is a Royal Commission into sexual abuse in the churches. Yes, it is happening in Protestant Churches, however by far the greatest percentage is in the Roman Catholic Church. This news item from a month ago stated:


So more than 20% of the RCC clergy here in Australia are allegedly paedophiles.

More than 20 per cent of the members of some Catholic religious orders — including Marist Brothers and Christian Brothers — were allegedly involved in child sexual abuse, a royal commission hearing in Sydney has been told (Royal commission into child sexual abuse: 1,880 alleged perpetrators identified in Catholic Church, 7 Feb 2017, ABC News, Brisbane, Qld)

The Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse has a link the Case Studies being investigated. These are examples from the ...

• Salvation Army,
• Baptist Churches of NSW & ACT,
• Anglican Church. This article by Patrick Parkinson stated; 'What little evidence there is suggests that rates of abuse are much lower in other faith communities than in the Catholic Church. Our own study of child sexual abuse in the Anglican Church of Australia would appear to be the only substantial and systematic study of the issue in a Protestant faith community' (Child sexual abuse and the churches: A story of moral failure? Religion and Ethics, 2013)
• Jehovah's Witness organisation,
• Uniting Church,

Perhaps the RCC needs to take a closer look at why sexual abuse rates are so high among its clergy.

Oz

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/feb/06/4444-victims-extent-of-abuse-in-catholic-church-in-australia-revealed

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/29/protestants-abuse-catholics-methodist-church

ANY abuse is not acceptable. Take the log out of your eye and stop looking at the splinter in someone else's.

Your link to HIV/AIDS among RC clergy is 16 YEARS old. It is a story SPECIFICALLY about the RCC. That doesn't mean there isn't a problem in Protestant churches also.

How about you now find a CURRENT story with CURRENT statistics specifically about PROTESTANT clergy and AIDS? Then your bias wouldn't show so much.

We should be praying for these people who are our fellow Christians.

 

[mjrhealth]

Apparently - YOU didn't read post #14.
Do your homework . . .

ANY abuse is not acceptable. Take the log out of your eye and stop looking at the splinter in someone else's.

Oh but we are not talking about the "protestants" , this is a christian forum where we are being educated in" catholism". We all know the churches in the world today have that issue, but that is because there churches , like yours are not His and your church is there mother should they take after there parents...?? . What does it say about..

Your father is teh devil because he is a liar a thief and a murderer from teh beginning, all that stuff is not from God so how can any of your churches be His.??