Why the Holy Spirit Is Excluded from Being Worshipped

[JesusIsFaithful]

Think about it. When your church honors and worships the Holy Spirit and seducing spirits come in and fall on them, bringing tongues without interpretation or other sensational signs in the flesh resulting in confusion, you would have a hard time convincing these believers that was not the real indwelling Holy Spirit that had just come.

They were honoring the Holy Spirit and they were addressing the Holy Spirit in worship, so why wasn't that the Holy Spirit that came and fell on them, bringing signs? Isn't that the rudiment or the practice in these movements of the "Spirit" when they invoke the Person of the Holy Spirit to come & fall on them, and yet you say that is not of the Lord at all?

So why would God limit how we, as saved believers come to Him in worship? To prevent sinners from bringing in their spiritualism into christianity by coming to God the Father by the only way of the Son in worship.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Only Jesus can answer prayers by way of permission from the Father.

John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

So when wayward believers address the Holy Spirit to invoke Him to come & fall on them in those movements of the "Spirit", that is not the Holy Spirit answering that prayer request.

This is why the Holy Spirit is excluded from being worshiped so as to keep the way narrow in coming to God the Father in how God the Father wants to honor Him in worship and that is by the only way of the Son. God's judgment is why.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Jesus did not forget about the Holy Spirit when He said that if any one does not honor the Son, they honor not the Father, because the Holy Spirit is sent to lead believers to do the same thing He is sent to do; to honor the Son in worship.

John 16:14He shall glorify me:........

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

That is how believers are led by the Spirit to honor the Son by testifying of Him in worship to glorify the Son and by Him, God the Father too. That is how spiritualism is kept out of the worship place when hymnals are honoring & glorifying the Son, not each individual member of the Triune God nor the name of the "Trinity", but only the Son to glorify the Father by.

That is the "obedience" Paul was stressing about in having that mind of Christ in worship because His name is above very other name in honoring & glorifying the Son and thereby honor & glorifying God the Father.

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Whose workmanship are we?

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:.......11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

We are to be disciples of Jesus Christ led by the Spirit of Christ to testify of the Son in seeking His glory and that especially includes only honoring the Son in the worship place to honor the Father in seeking to glorify God as God.

John 13:31 Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him.32 If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him.

There you have it. God as God is glorified only in the Son and that is why Jesus is the only way to come to God the Father in worship.

If you do not narrow the way to honor God the Father in worship by only honoring the Son, but still including the honoring of the Holy Spirit, even in hymnals, you will have a very hard time to convince believers when seducing spirits come into the worship place, bringing signs and lying wonders, that those spirits was not the Holy Spirit when He is already in them as promised by faith in Jesus Christ at their salvation. That is why the Holy Spirit is excluded from being worshiped.

So are you led by the Spirit of Christ & the scripture to do what He has been sent in leading you to do or are you led by unBiblical church tradition that was started by men with the "modified" ecumenical Nicene creed of 325 A.D.?

Go before that throne of grace and ask Jesus for wisdom in discerning this issue of His words since we are living in these latter days where faith is hard to find, because the consequence of this iniquity runs the risk of being led astray by seducing spirits and thus left behind from the Marriage Supper.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

The solution to prevent going around the Son in worship is to narrow the way back to the straight gate or else.

Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: 26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

I know ye not whence ye are identifies the iniquity by how believers came to Him in worship; not by the only way of the Son. So the only way Jesus will never say that to any believer is when they come to Him by the only way & that is Him.

This call of repentance is given for churches as well as individual believers to narrow the way back to the Son in worship, fellowship, and prayer in coming to God the Father for anything. There is no fellowship with God in going around the Son.

1 Corinthians 1:9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

 

[dattaswami8]

STATEMENT: - MATHEW 10: 40



Lord Jesus was the human incarnation of the Holy Spirit. The human body of Holy Jesus is like the metallic wire, which was all over, pervaded by the Holy Spirit. Veda says ‘Antarbahischa’ which means that the Holy Spirit pervades all over the body of Human Incarnation. Wherever you touch the wire the electric shock is given. Similarly the entire human body of Holy Jesus is holy. The holiness is the nature of Holy Spirit just like the shock is the property of electricity.


As the electricity cannot be separated from the wire, the Holy Spirit cannot be separated from the Holy Jesus. So here the Holy Spirit is the Holy Jesus. Holy Jesus refers this Holy Spirit as His Father. He tells that He was sent by His father as a messenger. Though He and His father are one and the same, He speaks like this for which there is a practical reason i.e., every human being repels with another human being. A man cannot accept another man as God due to Jealousy and Egoism. Bhagavatgita says, “A man will insult Me when I come here in human form (Avajananti mam….)”. For this purpose Holy Jesus wants Himself to be called only as the messenger of the Holy Spirit by the disciples whenever He is introduced to the public. If He tells the truth the egoistic public will not hear even what He preaches and will reject Him. Therefore He is telling His disciples to introduce Him as a messenger only. Ofcourse, the disciples are really the messengers of Holy Jesus.


Holy Spirit has taken over the human body of Holy Jesus and pervaded all over the body to preach the divine knowledge to this world. The same Holy Spirit is sending the disciples for the propagation of the Divine knowledge. Both the body of Holy Jesus and the disciples are instruments of the Holy Spirit chosen for different purposes. The Holy Spirit is preaching through the body of Holy Jesus and is propagating the divine knowledge through disciples. Therefore if you respect the disciple you are respecting the Holy Spirit indirectly. Though both the instruments exist like this, the Holy Spirit is present in Jesus and is not present in the disciples.


Due to this difference the disciple is an indirect instrument and the direct instrument is Holy Jesus. The disciple propagates the divine knowledge after hearing from the Holy Jesus. Therefore when such disciple is respected, Holy Jesus is respected first and then the Holy Spirit. But among the disciples there may be some person who cannot repeat what Holy Jesus exactly preached. In such a case the Holy Spirit will take over the body of that disciple and preaches (Mathew 10: 20). Such a disciple differs from Holy Jesus because the Holy Spirit resides in that disciple for some time only where as the Holy Spirit resides in Jesus all the time.


Holy Jesus is telling that He is the messenger of the Holy Spirit and He is also telling that the disciple is His messenger. He is giving the same status to Himself and the disciple by telling like this. The reason is that some disciple may become jealous in future if He says that He Himself is the Holy Spirit where as the disciple is His messenger only. The difference in the status may bring jealousy. Therefore He is maintaining the equal status so that no devotee becomes jealous of Jesus in the future. Due to jealousy the disciple may slip from Holy Jesus.


When He says that He is only the messenger, this shows the humble and submissiveness of Holy Jesus. He wants His disciples to be humble and submissive to the Holy Spirit through out their lives. For this purpose He sets Himself as an ideal. The Holy Spirit present in the human body of Holy Jesus is the essence of true and infinite knowledge as Veda says “Satyam Jnanam Anantam Brahma….” Humbleness and submissiveness are the fruits of the Divine Knowledge. Therefore the humbleness and submissiveness are the qualities of the Holy Spirit itself. This means whatever Holy Jesus speaks is the statement of the Holy Spirit only.

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

STATEMENT: - MATHEW 10: 40

The holiness is the nature of Holy Spirit just like the shock is the property of electricity.

As the electricity cannot be separated from the wire, the Holy Spirit cannot be separated from the Holy Jesus. So here the Holy Spirit is the Holy Jesus.

There is no denying the Three Persons within the One God, but His words specifically points to the Son in coming to God the Father in everything; prayer, fellowship, and worship to keep out spiritualism and call sinners to repentance from their spirits and their type of spirit worship to the ony way of the Son in coming to God the Father in worship to honor the One true God by only honoring the Son in worship.

Honoring the Holy Spirit in worship is NOT honoring God the Father at all. AND more importantly, the Holy Spirit is leading believers to only honor the Son in worship as the scriptures confirms in the OP.

 

[liafailrock]

To get back to true and early Christianity, I tend to seek Judaic type understanding of Scriptures rather than that of the Gentile church. For example, while I believe the Law is important and should be obeyed, don't confuse that with doing so for salvation (as opposed to "because of"). IMHO, true Christianity ought to be enlightened Judaism with the difference being Yeshua Ha-Mashiach is the awaited Messiah whereas Jews don't see him (yet) for their salvation. Otherwise, it's the same to me, feasts, Laws, Kosher.

That all said, The "OT" talks about the Spirit of God (ruach) which literally is breath, word, power,presence. Since Jesus is the Word, I would also associate that with him, as the New Testament says the "Spirit of Jesus". But then again, Mary was conceived by the Holy Spirit, and Jesus calls God his Father. So in that case it's associated with the Father. Jesus is the Word, the very carbon copy of the Father and has/is the Spirit of God. God is a Spirit, and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and truth. The apostle Paul was with the church in spirit, just as I can be cheering at a ball game for my team in spirit if absent, and the team would ask what I would say to win since I am with them in spirit.

So I don't so much as consider the Holy Spirit as a separate entity as much as part of the same entity of God, and His family (as Christ is a separate entity from the Father). Right now there's the resurrected Christ and soon a whole lot more to that family.

 

[Mungo]

So I don't so much as consider the Holy Spirit as a separate entity as much as part of the same entity of God, and His family (as Christ is a separate entity from the Father). Right now there's the resurrected Christ and soon a whole lot more to that family.

If Jesus is a separate entity to the Father, does that not make two Gods?
Or perhaps you do not consider Jesus to be God.
Could you clarify please.

 

[101G]

That all said, The "OT" talks about the Spirit of God (ruach) which literally is breath, word, power,presence. Since Jesus is the Word, I would also associate that with him, as the New Testament says the "Spirit of Jesus". But then again, Mary was conceived by the Holy Spirit, and Jesus calls God his Father. So in that case it's associated with the Father. Jesus is the Word, the very carbon copy of the Father and has/is the Spirit of God.

So I don't so much as consider the Holy Spirit as a separate entity as much as part of the same entity of God, and His family (as Christ is a separate entity from the Father)

Both statements are correct, and I agree. there is no separation in God. the Father is the son without flesh and bone, and the son is the Father with flesh and bone. God, the Holy Spirit is the diversity of himself. meaning the EQUAL share of himself manifested in flesh and bone. their is only one God, who is Holy, which is not his nature, but his character. and character IDENTIFIES son-ship, (see G5207, huios). Spirit is his Nature. the Lord Jesus is not a copy, a copy is not the original, but a different one, but on the other hand the SHARE is the original, meaning "ANOTHER" as the Greek word G243 allos states. please understand, another that is G243 allos, and NOT another G2087 heteros( clearly explain the identities of Father and Son.

I see so many time christian fail to see the truth in the Father and the Son as one. it's so simple, sharing vs copy.

 

[DPMartin]

Think about it. When your church honors and worships the Holy Spirit and seducing spirits come in and fall on them, bringing tongues without interpretation or other sensational signs in the flesh resulting in confusion, you would have a hard time convincing these believers that was not the real indwelling Holy Spirit that had just come.

They were honoring the Holy Spirit and they were addressing the Holy Spirit in worship, so why wasn't that the Holy Spirit that came and fell on them, bringing signs? Isn't that the rudiment or the practice in these movements of the "Spirit" when they invoke the Person of the Holy Spirit to come & fall on them, and yet you say that is not of the Lord at all?

So why would God limit how we, as saved believers come to Him in worship? To prevent sinners from bringing in their spiritualism into christianity by coming to God the Father by the only way of the Son in worship.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Only Jesus can answer prayers by way of permission from the Father.

John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

So when wayward believers address the Holy Spirit to invoke Him to come & fall on them in those movements of the "Spirit", that is not the Holy Spirit answering that prayer request.

This is why the Holy Spirit is excluded from being worshiped so as to keep the way narrow in coming to God the Father in how God the Father wants to honor Him in worship and that is by the only way of the Son. God's judgment is why.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Jesus did not forget about the Holy Spirit when He said that if any one does not honor the Son, they honor not the Father, because the Holy Spirit is sent to lead believers to do the same thing He is sent to do; to honor the Son in worship.

John 16:14He shall glorify me:........

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

That is how believers are led by the Spirit to honor the Son by testifying of Him in worship to glorify the Son and by Him, God the Father too. That is how spiritualism is kept out of the worship place when hymnals are honoring & glorifying the Son, not each individual member of the Triune God nor the name of the "Trinity", but only the Son to glorify the Father by.

That is the "obedience" Paul was stressing about in having that mind of Christ in worship because His name is above very other name in honoring & glorifying the Son and thereby honor & glorifying God the Father.

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Whose workmanship are we?

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:.......11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

We are to be disciples of Jesus Christ led by the Spirit of Christ to testify of the Son in seeking His glory and that especially includes only honoring the Son in the worship place to honor the Father in seeking to glorify God as God.

John 13:31 Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him.32 If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him.

There you have it. God as God is glorified only in the Son and that is why Jesus is the only way to come to God the Father in worship.

If you do not narrow the way to honor God the Father in worship by only honoring the Son, but still including the honoring of the Holy Spirit, even in hymnals, you will have a very hard time to convince believers when seducing spirits come into the worship place, bringing signs and lying wonders, that those spirits was not the Holy Spirit when He is already in them as promised by faith in Jesus Christ at their salvation. That is why the Holy Spirit is excluded from being worshiped.

So are you led by the Spirit of Christ & the scripture to do what He has been sent in leading you to do or are you led by unBiblical church tradition that was started by men with the "modified" ecumenical Nicene creed of 325 A.D.?

Go before that throne of grace and ask Jesus for wisdom in discerning this issue of His words since we are living in these latter days where faith is hard to find, because the consequence of this iniquity runs the risk of being led astray by seducing spirits and thus left behind from the Marriage Supper.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

The solution to prevent going around the Son in worship is to narrow the way back to the straight gate or else.

Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: 26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

I know ye not whence ye are identifies the iniquity by how believers came to Him in worship; not by the only way of the Son. So the only way Jesus will never say that to any believer is when they come to Him by the only way & that is Him.

This call of repentance is given for churches as well as individual believers to narrow the way back to the Son in worship, fellowship, and prayer in coming to God the Father for anything. There is no fellowship with God in going around the Son.

1 Corinthians 1:9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

No that’s not Why the Holy Spirit Is Excluded from Being Worshipped, and in case you didn’t know it your also incorrect about Holy Spirit Is Excluded from Being Worshipped, Jesus says God is a Spirit hence the Holy Spirit, and who in their right mind wouldn’t prostrate in worship in the Presence of God, (the Holy Spirit). Just how is it that God is with some one? Or don’t you know?


There is a reason blasphemy of the Holy Spirit isn’t forgiven


Mat_12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.


If you don’t acknowledge the Presence of God, don’t expect to be acknowledged into the presence of the Kingdom of Heaven. Therefore, the Presence of God is Honored hence worshiped.

Joh_4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.



And don’t bother saying it doesn’t say worship spirit, one should worship Jesus and by His own Words He says He is the Truth. And by His own Words He says His Words are Spirit.


as usual someone trying to conform Christianity and or the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob in the name of Jesus Christ into their own judgements of what Christianity and God ought to be.

 

[101G]

If Jesus is a separate entity to the Father, does that not make two Gods?

yes, if he's a separate entity to the Father. but I don't believe he's a separate entity. note Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God". the word form is the key to our Lord identity. remember God in the Hebrew is a plurality of himself, H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym. but the question, how is this plurality described, or expressed?. going back to Philippians 2:6 it gives us the answer. EQUAL, and if equal and separate then one have two Gods. and if he's a copy and separate, then again one have two Gods. the only answer is that he's the "EQUAL" share of himself as Philippians 2:6 states. if he's the EQUAL with himself, then he is the share of himself. for a copy and a separation makes another God who is then as the Greeks say G2087 heteros with God. and that's anti bible.

 

[101G]

John 4:24 "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him". the Spirit must be with or in the believer in order to worship in Truth. and that hour at hand happen on Pentecost. true worship is IN the Spirit. Ephesians 5:9 "(For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth Ephesians 5:10 "Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord". 1 Corinthians 14:13 "Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. 14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful". Isaiah 32:15 "Until the spirit be poured upon us from on high, and the wilderness be a fruitful field, and the fruitful field be counted for a forest. 16 Then judgment shall dwell in the wilderness, and righteousness remain in the fruitful field. 17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever".

Until the spirit be poured upon us from on high

 

[dattaswami8]

There is no denying the Three Persons within the One God, but His words specifically points to the Son in coming to God the Father in everything; prayer, fellowship, and worship to keep out spiritualism and call sinners to repentance from their spirits and their type of spirit worship to the ony way of the Son in coming to God the Father in worship to honor the One true God by only honoring the Son in worship.

Honoring the Holy Spirit in worship is NOT honoring God the Father at all. AND more importantly, the Holy Spirit is leading believers to only honor the Son in worship as the scriptures confirms in the OP.

God comes to this world by entering a deserving devotee existing on this earth called as SON OF GOD to become human incarnation of God. The original God is unimaginable, and invisible. Such God enters an energetic form in the upper world and is called FATHER OF HEAVEN. This Father of heaven enters to a deserving devotee existing on the earth to become SON OF GOD or HUMAN INCARNATION OF GOD. Thus Jesus was such SON OF GOD to whom FATHER OF HEAVEN ENTERED for the mission of divine knowledge propagation in this world. Whoever has seen alive Jesus that time had seen Father of heaven only, this is the only way for human beings here, when any human being meeting present SON OF GOD he had seen the Father of heaven. This was the reason why Jesus told to Peter that when he had seen Jesus he had verily seen Father of heaven only.

Let us analyse in detail these divine knowledge.




The energetic incarnation in which unimaginable God merged is meant by the word ‘Father’. Son means the human being component selected by Father in which the Father gets merged and such son is called as human incarnation or Son of God. Since the unimaginable God exists in both Father and Son, both are one and the same because anything done by Father and Son must be the same due to the same common unimaginable God. Hence, there is no difference between Father and Son since both are the incarnations of unimaginable God only. Both are like the two hands doing the same work and two legs walking in the same direction. Jesus is the human incarnation like cotton shirt and the divine Father of heaven is the energetic incarnation like silk shirt of the same person called unimaginable God. Jesus says that the Son of God (Himself) will judge the souls and not the Father.


The meaning of this statement is that though Father and Son are one and the same, you have to call the mediated unimaginable God by the name of the Son of God only since the Son of God (human incarnation) is relevant to this humanity and not the Father (energetic incarnation), who is relevant to the energetic souls present in the upper world only. When a person staying in the state of Tamilnadu says ‘our chief minister’, he is only referring the chief minister of the state of Tamilanadu only and not the chief minister of Orissa though both are the same chief ministers only. When you are staying in a state, the chief minister of that state is only relevant to you to approach for any grievance and not the chief minister of other state. This statement reveals only the stress of relevance of human incarnation for the humanity. The human being believing the human incarnation is always blessed by the absolute God, who exists in that very human incarnation only and such devotee crosses over from death to life. Here death means the state in which God is forgotten (Ref.: Sanat Sujitiyam of Mahabharata) and life means the state in which God is always remembered. It is crossing over the worldly bonds to reach bond with God. The believer in the human incarnation participates in the propagation of the knowledge of human incarnation and such a divine servant will not be judged in the upper world since his/her file will be kept inactive in cold storage. Other ordinary souls are judged and dispatched to the concerned upper worlds like heaven and hell as per the judicial inquiry of the file of the soul.

 

[liafailrock]

So all, just a thought. I think the book of John shows Genesis how it was in the beginning. It's God and the Word. God spoke ("Christ-ed") and everything came into being. That was thru Christ. Perhaps God is the only being I know who can speak and in and of itself becomes a being which is the same and indeed IS him. So what does that make us if we are to likewise become as Christ? The Lord is ONE Lord. One in name and purpose-- I believe this power is the Holy Spirit. Even native Americans called it the "Great Spirit". But can he "reproduce"? Many and yet one. Maybe we should not talk about Trinitarianism and focus on the future as Billiontarianism. That's how God is; a family. It's demonstrated all thru nature. The closest analogy is the species vs a specific being. God is generic for the type of being like a cat. I have specific cats called by name. There is only one cat species, so they are all cats. Separate and yet one. Anything else and it ceases to be a cat.

 

[dattaswami8]

So all, just a thought. I think the book of John shows Genesis how it was in the beginning. It's God and the Word. God spoke ("Christ-ed") and everything came into being. That was thru Christ. Perhaps God is the only being I know who can speak and in and of itself becomes a being which is the same and indeed IS him. So what does that make us if we are to likewise become as Christ? The Lord is ONE Lord. One in name and purpose-- I believe this power is the Holy Spirit. Even native Americans called it the "Great Spirit". But can he "reproduce"? Many and yet one. Maybe we should not talk about Trinitarianism and focus on the future as Billiontarianism. That's how God is; a family. It's demonstrated all thru nature. The closest analogy is the species vs a specific being. God is generic for the type of being like a cat. I have specific cats called by name. There is only one cat species, so they are all cats. Separate and yet one. Anything else and it ceases to be a cat.

Few points i would like to present here:
1. The absolute God who is unimaginable invisible and beyond our comprehension. Space came from Him hence space do not exits in Him hence He is beyond space and do not have spatial coordinates. The entire creation is His dream or thought only!!

2. For entertainment God created this entire world.

3. Since this God if He exists only in His absolute from no body can see Him. God is unimaginable. If you want to see Him (the absolute God) then the creation shall disappear, then with creation you will also disappear hence you can never ever see this absolute God or never ever know the substance or content by which He is made off!!!
4. This absolute God created an energetic human form and entered into Him. This energetic human form into which the absolute God entered is called as Father of Heaven (Allah, Naryana, Yahewah etc by other religions)

5. This Father of Heaven can be seen by departed souls in the upperworld who are also in energetic form.

6. Human beings cannot see this Father of Heaven.

7. When the absolute God enters formless energy it is called Holy Spirit, which is in essence mediated God only

8. For human beings on this earth, the Father of heaven enters a selected human being known as SON OF GOD, to become HUMAN INCARNATION OF GOD, in which Father of Heaven is present from the birth of Son of God to His death.

9. Thus essentially the absolute GOD who is present in Father of Heaven is entering the Son of God. Thus whoever has seen the alive Son of God has seen the absolute God or the Father of Heaven only. This is the only way to see, touch and co-live with God for human beings, there is no way other than this way!!!

10. This is the reason why Jesus told to Philip that when he had seen Jesus he had seen Heavenly Father only.

Hope this would clarify the doubts...

 

[liafailrock]

Few points i would like to present here:
1. The absolute God who is unimaginable invisible and beyond our comprehension. Space came from Him hence space do not exits in Him hence He is beyond space and do not have spatial coordinates. The entire creation is His dream or thought only!!

2. For entertainment God created this entire world.

3. Since this God if He exists only in His absolute from no body can see Him. God is unimaginable. If you want to see Him (the absolute God) then the creation shall disappear, then with creation you will also disappear hence you can never ever see this absolute God or never ever know the substance or content by which He is made off!!!
4. This absolute God created an energetic human form and entered into Him. This energetic human form into which the absolute God entered is called as Father of Heaven (Allah, Naryana, Yahewah etc by other religions)

5. This Father of Heaven can be seen by departed souls in the upperworld who are also in energetic form.

6. Human beings cannot see this Father of Heaven.

7. When the absolute God enters formless energy it is called Holy Spirit, which is in essence mediated God only

8. For human beings on this earth, the Father of heaven enters a selected human being known as SON OF GOD, to become HUMAN INCARNATION OF GOD, in which Father of Heaven is present from the birth of Son of God to His death.

9. Thus essentially the absolute GOD who is present in Father of Heaven is entering the Son of God. Thus whoever has seen the alive Son of God has seen the absolute God or the Father of Heaven only. This is the only way to see, touch and co-live with God for human beings, there is no way other than this way!!!

10. This is the reason why Jesus told to Philip that when he had seen Jesus he had seen Heavenly Father only.

Hope this would clarify the doubts...

For the most part, I like this. I think other religions were Noahic interpretations of the one truth. I choose to stay with the bible which speaks directly on the subject we are discussing here. However, I do feel a sort of kinship with what you are saying (I think the creation of this world and others goes beyond entertainment, but I like that idea LOL). I only disagree with the conscious "soul" after death. We are a soul (life) with spirit. When we die, they all die but... the bible speaks of resurrection (not "dying and going to heaven") So in defense of what you all stated, the souls that see God are in their resurrected form, and dying one has no concept of time, thus the next conscious moment is with God likened to a time machine that propels one instantly into the future (i.e the future here on earth). And yes, they can see the Father of Heaven then. But remember. From a biblical stance, heaven is coming to earth. Yes we have access to the heavenlies, but we are to rule and reign with Christ also.

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

No that’s not Why the Holy Spirit Is Excluded from Being Worshipped, and in case you didn’t know it your also incorrect about Holy Spirit Is Excluded from Being Worshipped, Jesus says God is a Spirit hence the Holy Spirit,

Jesus was answering the woman at the well her question as to where to worship God the Father at; the mountains or the temple at Jerusalem. That is what He meant by God is Spirit in referring to the Father; not the Person of the Holy Spirit. It is about how the time s are now is when one can go to the Father to worship Him anywhere by what? By way of the Son as Jesus was there talking to her. Read it again.

John 4:19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet. 20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship. 21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

See that? Not about the Holy Spirit, but where one goes to worship the Father in spirit and in truth; and that is by way of the Son so any one can come to worship the Father anywhere by worshiping the Son as the OP dictates how God the Father wants us to come to worship Him by.

and who in their right mind wouldn’t prostrate in worship in the Presence of God, (the Holy Spirit). Just how is it that God is with some one? Or don’t you know?

Prostrating is falling down on your knees to worship Him; not falling backwards and hardly worshipping Him at all when in confusion.

Proverbs 25:26 A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring. 27 It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory. 28 He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.

So those that drink from another fountain is why they are falling down backwards, and thus not worshiping Him at all when they are in confusion.

1 Corinthians 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

There is only one drink from the One Spirit that were we all baptized by and that happened only at our salvation for that is what born again of the Spirit means.

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

There is a reason blasphemy of the Holy Spirit isn’t forgiven

Mat_12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

The apostle John warned believers not to believe every spirit but test them as the real Holy Spirit dwells in us whereas the spirit of the antichrist dwells in the world. Jesus warned us also that we will know the Holy Spirit as dwelling forever in us whereas we will not be receiving Him as the world receives other spirits as after a sign.

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

That is how the world receives other spirits by seeing them received after a sign. That is why the promise of the Spirit is to be received by faith in Jesus Christ. The sign of tongues was a sign to unbelievers; not for believers to know when they had received the promise of the Holy Ghost.

If you don’t acknowledge the Presence of God, don’t expect to be acknowledged into the presence of the Kingdom of Heaven. Therefore, the Presence of God is Honored hence worshiped.

Joh_4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

I have reproved how you are applying that verse to mean. If what you say is true, then no one can test the spirits because the line of discernment is greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world as in outside of you.

1 John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

And don’t bother saying it doesn’t say worship spirit, one should worship Jesus and by His own Words He says He is the Truth. And by His own Words He says His Words are Spirit.

It says worship the Father in spirit and in truth which now we can do anywhere without going to the mountains nor Jerusalem but to the Son in coming to God to worship as honoring the Son is the only way to honor the Father in worship.

as usual someone trying to conform Christianity and or the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob in the name of Jesus Christ into their own judgements of what Christianity and God ought to be.

Explain how this judgment raised on every believer in John 5:22 and what that judgment is in John 5:23 as something you can ignore what the Nicene creed taught in 325 A.D.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Now who sows doubts in God's words by saying "Did He really say that?" I believe Jesus said it and I believe Him at His word that I cannot honor the Father by honoring the Holy Spirit when He said when I am not honoring the Son, then I am no longer honoring the Father. Do you believe Him or not?

 

[101G]

GINOLJC, to all.

That was thru Christ. Perhaps God is the only being I know who can speak and in and of itself becomes a being which is the same and indeed IS him.

I must disagree, the Spirit, God, didn't go THROUGH anyone. scripture, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself". here. clearly God did it all by himself, and no one else.

 

[101G]

1. The absolute God who is unimaginable invisible and beyond our comprehension. Space came from Him hence space do not exits in Him hence He is beyond space and do not have spatial coordinates. The entire creation is His dream or thought only!!

I must disagree, scripture, Acts 17:28 "For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring". being is spatial coordinates and the Lord Jesus, his flesh and bones is his Intrinsic Spatial.

 

[liafailrock]

GINOLJC, to all.

I must disagree, the Spirit, God, didn't go THROUGH anyone. scripture, Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself". here. clearly God did it all by himself, and no one else.

I misquoted. I had in mind Colossians 1:16. It's "by" not through but some translations say that so I probably had them on my mind. I think you have in mind "through" as in the form of a conduit. I had in mind an agent. This is just a semantics issue here not worth really addressing.

 

[skyangel]

So all, just a thought. I think the book of John shows Genesis how it was in the beginning. It's God and the Word. God spoke ("Christ-ed") and everything came into being. That was thru Christ. Perhaps God is the only being I know who can speak and in and of itself becomes a being which is the same and indeed IS him. So what does that make us if we are to likewise become as Christ? The Lord is ONE Lord. One in name and purpose-- I believe this power is the Holy Spirit. Even native Americans called it the "Great Spirit". But can he "reproduce"? Many and yet one. Maybe we should not talk about Trinitarianism and focus on the future as Billiontarianism. That's how God is; a family. It's demonstrated all thru nature. The closest analogy is the species vs a specific being. God is generic for the type of being like a cat. I have specific cats called by name. There is only one cat species, so they are all cats. Separate and yet one. Anything else and it ceases to be a cat.

Yet John 1:1 says the Word WAS God, therefore God and the Word cannot be two separate things or two separate beings.
Can he reproduce? Of course Spirit can reproduce Spirit in the form of "many and yet one". There are many manifestations of the ONE and the SAME Spirit.
Consider the concept that God IS LOVE. The Spirit of Love can only reproduce the Spirit of Love. That makes the Spirit of Love as the ONLY begotten (Son) the same Spirit as the Begetter (Father) but the Spirit of LOVE is not confined to only one physical body. It is manifest in innumerable physical bodies on Earth.
However, just because a physical body has a Spirit within it does not make the body the Spirit any more than water in a glass makes the glass water. Therefore any physical man named Jesus on Earth is not God any more than anyone else who has the Spirit of God in their physical body is God. The physical body is merely a vessel or container of God like a glass is a container of water.
I agree "God" is family. The Word God represents innumerable things which includes ALL of existence. God is ALL and IN ALL. Eph 4:6
There is only one God "family" or "species" made up of all very visible gods of the past present and future.
Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
The word God plural and god singular is like Sheep plural and sheep singular. Many sheep but still all one species and one family of Sheep.

Yet the Word God is not referring to mythical invisible people with supernatural powers but in reality is referring to "The Spirit of LIFE" which is physically manifest on Earth at all times past present and future as ALL of LIFE itself and has never been confined to just a single individual person or three persons.

 

[101G]

Yet John 1:1 says the Word WAS God, therefore God and the Word cannot be two separate things or two separate beings.
Can he reproduce? Of course Spirit can reproduce Spirit in the form of "many and yet one". There are many manifestations of the ONE and the SAME Spirit.

GINOLJC, to skyangel, agreed that the WORD is not a separate being. but I must disagree, in the fact that God reproduce. here is my reason, Isaiah 43:10 "Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me". Isaiah 44:8 "Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any".
here, and many other places, God clearly let us know that he do not reproduce. he said neither before, nor after. and also a manifestation of "God" is not a reproduction.
Yes, LOVE can be spreaded, but not reproduce. or as you said God is LOVE, and if it can be reproduce, then it have changed, because the reproduction is not the original, and God is unchangeable. God don't change. now the only answer to the spreading of God and being unchangeable is to "SHARE" Love, or Share God, and he's enough to go around. scripture, Jeremiah 23:23 "Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off? 24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD". and to back this up, Acts 17:28 "For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring". and a "OFFSPRING" is
G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) n.
kin.
abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective
but notice below how "offspring" can be translated. diversity see below
KJV: born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock
A Diversity is simply a share of God. and yes ye are god, not in nature, but in responsibilities in this created earth realm, authority.

I agree "God" is family. The Word God represents innumerable things which includes ALL of existence. God is ALL and IN ALL. Eph 4:6
There is only one God "family" or "species" made up of all very visible gods of the past present and future.
Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
The word God plural and god singular is like Sheep plural and sheep singular. Many sheep but still all one species and one family of Sheep.

that conjunction "and" means a lot. yes we're children of God, how, or in what way?, scripture,Galatians 4:1 "Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all; 2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father. 3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. 6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father".

now what is a son?, spiritually speaking, it is the Greek word, G5207, huios which means, 1. It is often used metaphorically of prominent moral characteristics. 2. descendants, without reference to sex. 3. those who manifest a certain character, whether evil, or God. (a son of the devil or a son of God). 4. those who act in a certain way, whether evil, or Good.

Yet the Word God is not referring to mythical invisible people with supernatural powers but in reality is referring to "The Spirit of LIFE" which is physically manifest on Earth at all times past present and future as ALL of LIFE itself and has never been confined to just a single individual person or three persons.

yes the Spirit of Life is manifested in us. until the redemption of the body, to wit total victory is claimed.

However, just because a physical body has a Spirit within it does not make the body the Spirit any more than water in a glass makes the glass water. Therefore any physical man named Jesus on Earth is not God any more than anyone else who has the Spirit of God in their physical body is God. The physical body is merely a vessel or container of God like a glass is a container of water.

how true are these words to a point. and that point is this, "Therefore any physical man named Jesus on Earth is not God any more than anyone else who has the Spirit of God in their physical body is God". in nature yes, ok, let me prove this point. skyangel I understand where you're coming from, for he is our example, but he humbled himself to be our example. case in point I'm sure you have the Spirit inside you right now, correct. ok, transfigure yourself.................... yes, ye are god, but you forget the very next verse, Psalms 82:7 "But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes".

understand, our Lord and saviour is the EQUAL "diversified" Spirit in flesh and bone, now glorified in that body. Luke 24:39 "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have". understand a glorified body is not something that is immaterial, no a glorified body is a natural body dominated by the Spirit.

skyangel, you made a good post, and brought out some good points. thanks for the post. may God bless you.

 

[skyangel]

GINOLJC, to skyangel, agreed that the WORD is not a separate being. but I must disagree, in the fact that God reproduce. here is my reason, Isaiah 43:10 "Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me". Isaiah 44:8 "Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any".
here, and many other places, God clearly let us know that he do not reproduce. he said neither before, nor after. and also a manifestation of "God" is not a reproduction.
Yes, LOVE can be spreaded, but not reproduce. or as you said God is LOVE, and if it can be reproduce, then it have changed, because the reproduction is not the original, and God is unchangeable. God don't change. now the only answer to the spreading of God and being unchangeable is to "SHARE" Love, or Share God, and he's enough to go around. scripture, Jeremiah 23:23 "Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off? 24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD". and to back this up, Acts 17:28 "For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring". and a "OFFSPRING" is
G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) n.
kin.
abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective
but notice below how "offspring" can be translated. diversity see below
KJV: born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock
A Diversity is simply a share of God. and yes ye are god, not in nature, but in responsibilities in this created earth realm, authority.

I think you are missing the principle of reproduction which is part of "God" as a corporate body of all life. The Spirit of Life reproduces Life constantly. The bible even teaches that Spirit IS BORN of Spirit. (John 3:6) How do you interpret that if not as a reproductive cycle the same as flesh is born of flesh? The new ( newly born) is constantly replacing the old (that pass away constantly).
Life in a spiritual sense does not change when it reproduces to replace that which passes. The first life and the last life are still LIFE not something else. Life is Life. It doesn't change into some other spirit regardless of how many living things are born of LIFE.
You are talking about diverse manifestations of Life not diverse Spirits of Life.
A reproduction may be different to an original in a physical sense but it is not different in a spiritual sense.
Life is the "Father" of Life and also the ONLY offspring of Life because Life can only beget Life.
Truth is the "Father" of Truth and also the ONLY begotten offspring of Truth because Truth can only beget Truth.
Love is the "Father" of Love and also the ONLY begotten offspring of Love because Love can only beget Love.
Wisdom is the "Father" of Wisdom and also the ONLY begotten offspring of Wisdom because Wisdom can only beget Wisdom.
The principle works with any Spirit you wish to place in the statement in place of "Truth", even any evil type spirits.
The physical appearances through which Spirit manifests can definitely change through reproduction but Spirit remains the same through reproduction regardless of what physical appearances the Spirit of LIFE manifests through.