Catholics

[Marymog]

Not really.

Thank you for the stimulating and educational conversation. At least we can agree that you failed.

Might I add that YOUR reference to scripture says Jesus is the Rock. The Rock then says to Peter, "on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it I will give YOU the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever YOU bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever YOU loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven". (you is singular)

Since you quoted Corinthians which shows that the Rock was Jesus and I quoted Matthew that shows that The Rock passed His authority to Peter then we must be both on the same page and agree that Peter was given the authority of Jesus upon Jesus death.

Mary

 

[Marymog]

Are you suggesting a picture of Jesus is an idol?

Surely you must know, like most children in high school know, that an idol is an object you worship.

A picture (image) is just a reminder of someone you know or love.

Do you have pictures in your house?

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

Coptic, Orthodoxy

You are one of the few on this website that know Christian History.

Thank you.

Love, Mary

 

[Job]

At least we can agree that you failed.

I'm glad I was able to live up to your expectations.

 

[Job]

Are you suggesting a picture of Jesus is an idol?

Romans 1
22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,
23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.


I'm not suggesting it, Paul is.

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[Marymog]

Romans 1
22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,
23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.


I'm not suggesting it, Paul is.

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No sir. You only partially quoted Paul to fit your un-biblical theory.

The FACT is Paul is saying they changed God into and IMAGE OF MAN like birds and 4 footed animals and creeping things. It furthers goes on to say (the part you FAILED to quote) that because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and they worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator....."

So, once again, you failed. Nowhere in scripture does it say that an image or picture of Jesus is an idol. It says that the worship of an image or idol AS A GOD is wrong.

I don't know of ANY Christian Church that does that.

Care to try again?

You are either ignorant about other denominations teachings/beliefs or you are bearing false witness. Which is it??

Curious Mary

 

[epostle1]

Oh no! not those psychotic iconoclasts again!

 

[epostle1]

oops

 

[epostle1]

As division goes, the Catholic denomination is guilty of first blood: It was the Catholics who departed from the commandments of Christ to follow the flesh (Peter), rather than expecting the church to receive [directly] from the spirit of God, just as Peter had.

How and when did Catholics follow Peter's flesh and why didn't anybody notice this MONUMENTOUS event until a revolt 15 centuries later??? Were are told there were no Catholics at this time so which is it?

The first 40 popes were martyred by pagan Romans, did they depart from the commandments too?
Were the bishops who discerned the canon of scripture "following the flesh of Peter?

 

[Job]

No sir. You only partially quoted Paul to fit your un-biblical theory.

That's because I was confident you would be able to figure the rest of it out without any assistance. But I was wrong. It happens.

Have a nice day Curious Mary.

 

[BreadOfLife]

No, I cannot. It's not my story. But here we are...and the Catholic denomination has arrived long ago at their position of naming Peter the first Pope and taking the path of revering a substitute for "God with us", and His Help, the Holy Spirit.

For you to make a claim that the Catholic Church went astray - you must have some sort of timeline - even an estimation.
If you don't have either - then you're simply making it up as you go along.

You can't have it both ways.
When you make an accusation in a debate - the onus is on YOU to provide the evidence.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I am a member of the Roman Catholic Church - I joined as an adult, after several years of study. I attend Mass and I am also attending a Quaker Church. My authority is Sacred Tradition and Scripture.

Apparently, you didn't study enough or you wouldn't be attending a Quaker church.
Your Authority is the Church (Matt. 16:18019, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23) and Scripture and Tradition.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Praying to statues. The appearance of evil.

Telling lies about Christ's Church on a discussion forum - the manifestation of evil . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Rulers, elders, and the like, are not the problem. It is assuming the position of Head - that is the problem.

As I already explained in post #580:

Catholics ALSO reject anything other than Christ being the Head of His Church - so what's your point??
The Pope is merely the Vicar or chief agent in charge of Christ's Church on earth.

Don't forget - the Church is NOT only comprised of those on earth. Those in Heaven are ALSO members of the Body and NOBODY is saying that the Pope is in charge of them.
Remember that it is Protestant sects who have evicted them from the Body and have forbidden asking them to pray for us.

But since you ask, I will ask you a question: What do you tell God, when you revere a women (of the bride of Christ) for not being silent in the church?

Can you RE-ask that question.
It doesn't make any sense the way you worded it.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Job - Your complete and utter ignorance of Scripture is ASTOUNDING . . .

Lev. 25:18-21
YOU SHALL MAKE two cherubim of gold, make them of hammered work at the two ends of the mercy seat. YOU SHALL MAKE cherub At one end and one cherub at the other end; YOU SHALL MAKE the cherubim of one piece with the mercy seat at its two ends. The cherubim shall have their wings spread upward, covering the mercy seat with their wings and [d]facing one another; the faces of the cherubim are to be turned toward the mercy seat. You shall put the mercy seat on top of the ark, and in the ark you shall put the testimony which I will give to you.

Don't you ever tire of being exposed for your ignorance?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Coptic, Orthodoxy

Show me ANY document that the Church called itself "The Coptic Church" or "The Orthodox Church" - PRIOR to Ignatius of Antioch's Letter to the Smyrnaeans at the beginning of the 2nd century.

If you can do that - I'll leave the Catholic Church today.
If you can't - then consider yourself historically spanked . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Good point, Job

Making judgments about a teaching of another church without acknowledging what is actually being taught does appear evil.

So does telling lies about ANY Church like you and Job are doing.

 

[mjrhealth]

Is the Catholic Church perfect?
It, like every other so-called "church" is made up of flawed, sinful human beings.

So its the same as all the rest, and therefore is not teh Lords Church by your very own words, Good to see you finally figuered it out.

 

[mjrhealth]

Jer 6:15 Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time that I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.

Than there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

 

[bbyrd009]

And that's a warped and Scripturally-bankrupt claim.

Now, tell me WHY it's evil . . .

it is a tableau of evil imo; the last democratically elected President, who openly swore to uncover the cabal that you serve, had already printed United States Notes, assassinated by the ones whose flag he now lies under. It's basically a black mass ok.