It is not in the bible.....sola scripture

[GodsGrace]

And Josephus wrote Antiquities in Koine Greek - the SAME language as the New Testament.
Which variation of "Adelphos" was he using when he referred to James??

It takes a lot of fighting it away, doesn't it?
One day the CC may change its position on this.
Just like it has on giving communion to remarrieds.
It also made another change recently but it doesn't come to mind.
I remember thinking that they're becoming more Protestant every day.

If it comes to mind, I will post it.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

And John Ankerberg has a problem because in the overwhelming cases where we find the word "Adelphos" or one iof its variation in the New Testament - it is NOT used for uterine sibling. There are ALSO Greek words for "believer" and "neighbor" in Greek (pisteuo and plesion), so why are those words not used where "Adelphos(oi)" is used??

The Use of Brothers in the NT
a. Cases where "Adelphos" clearly or probably refers to a family sibling: 41 12%
b. Cases where "Adelphos" may or may not refer to a family sibling: 47 14%
c. Cases where "Adelphos" cannot or almost certainly does not refer to a family sibling: 256 74%

Total occurrences of "Adelphos" and Adelphe": 344 100%

A whopping 74% of the times we see "Adelphos" in the New Testament - it means something completely different from uterine brother.
What does John Ankerberg have to say about that??

I guess that makes it your catholic word vs, his protestant word.
So your argument is with him, not me.

John Ankerberg quotes the writing of Dr. Julius Mantey, one of the most prominent Greek scholars of the 20th century.
And where do you get your information?
You tube?

 

[BreadOfLife]

I also remember Learning that sometimes the word cousin/Brother is difficult to understand, but other times it's easy to understand.

I can't remember if I mentioned that there are some Catholic theologians that believe Jesus had brothers and it seems it also does not disturb them since they're still Catholic.

Which "Catholic" theologians?

You say that "sometimes" the words cousin/brother are difficult to understand.
The percentages below are overwhelming. 74% of the time it does NOT mean "sibling" but something else.

The Use of Brothers in the NT
a. Cases where "Adelphos" clearly or probably refers to a family sibling: 41 12%
b. Cases where "Adelphos" may or may not refer to a family sibling: 47 14%
c. Cases where "Adelphos" cannot or almost certainly does not refer to a family sibling: 256 74%

Total occurrences of "Adelphos" and Adelphe": 344 100%

After Jesus ascended to the Father in In Acts 1, we see Peter speaking to about 120 "Adelphos" to discuss a replacement for Judas.
Did ALL of these 120 men come from the same mother??

 

[GodsGrace]

Which "Catholic" theologians?

You say that "sometimes" the words cousin/brother are difficult to understand.
The percentages below are overwhelming. 74% of the time it does NOT mean "sibling" but something else.

The Use of Brothers in the NT
a. Cases where "Adelphos" clearly or probably refers to a family sibling: 41 12%
b. Cases where "Adelphos" may or may not refer to a family sibling: 47 14%
c. Cases where "Adelphos" cannot or almost certainly does not refer to a family sibling: 256 74%

Total occurrences of "Adelphos" and Adelphe": 344 100%

After Jesus ascended to the Father in In Acts 1, we see Peter speaking to about 120 "Adelphos" to discuss a replacement for Judas.
Did ALL of these 120 men come from the same mother??

You want names?
I believe you know this just as well as I do.
If you're on the inside of the CC you now some things no one else knows.
The CC is undergoing some problems right now.
You know what they are just as well as I do.

I say we shouldn't argue so much about this stuff anymore since it is likely to change in the future.

Infant baptisms. Do you know that the CC would like to change this and baptize adults but they get too much resistance from members and also some priests.

When I say the CC, I mean the magesterium.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Some persons mix worship with veneration.

It would have been nicer for you to explain this...

Mary can be venerated
but she cannot be worshipped.

This is what's taught by the Catholic Church.

P.S. I'd like to add that there is very little teaching in the CC and the members are not even taught this -- in fact, veneration of Mary is encouraged. Only those who teach there or are involved with the ministry in some way, know these teachings...

Veneration, or deep love, respect and honor given to the saints in Heaven is NOT worship.
These are the 3 examples:
Latria - Worship and adoration, that is reserved for God ALONE
Hyperdulia - A more intense love, honor and respect given to Mary for her holy example
Dulia - Deep love, respect and honor given to the saints in Heaven and their holy example

NOBODY is to be worshipped, except for God - period.

 

[BreadOfLife]

It takes a lot of fighting it away, doesn't it?
One day the CC may change its position on this.
Just like it has on giving communion to remarrieds.
It also made another change recently but it doesn't come to mind.
I remember thinking that they're becoming more Protestant every day.

If it comes to mind, I will post it.

This is false. The Church has never and CAN NEVER change its position on doctrine or dogma.
As for giving communion to people who are illicitly remarried - this is a complete falsehood.

Where did you hear this??
The Church has made changed only to matters of discipline - but NEVER doctrine.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I guess that makes it your catholic word vs, his protestant word.
So your argument is with him, not me.

John Ankerberg quotes the writing of Dr. Julius Mantey, one of the most prominent Greek scholars of the 20th century.
And where do you get your information?
You tube?

John Ankerberg relies on only on the word "cousin" and nothing else.
WHO said that James and Joseph were "cousins" of Jesus??

Pull your head out of the ground and look at the facts objectively.
Take of your Catholic-hating glasses and look at the evidence.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You want names?
I believe you know this just as well as I do.
If you're on the inside of the CC you now some things no one else knows.
The CC is undergoing some problems right now.
You know what they are just as well as I do.

I say we shouldn't argue so much about this stuff anymore since it is likely to change in the future.

Infant baptisms. Do you know that the CC would like to change this and baptize adults but they get too much resistance from members and also some priests.

When I say the CC, I mean the magesterium.

Where are you getting this manure from??
Infant Baptism is a doctrinal matter and can never be changed.

As for "problems" - there will always be problems as long as there are human beings walking this earth.
As to your remark about something that is "likely" to change in the future - to what are you referring??

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

And that is a big fat LIE.
Completely untrue and unsubstantiated.

My sister is also an ex-Catholic who made this claim in her church by writing an article about it.
I challenged her to prove it, and she couldn't - and neither can YOU because it's simply not true.

Look - if you hate the Catholic Church - be my guest.
However, if you have to resort to telling these kinds of moronic lies to make your point - you should ask yourself, "WHY?".

Okay, here's the bottom line
you worship Mary instead of God
that's your problem, not mine

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

And Josephus wrote Antiquities in Koine Greek - the SAME language as the New Testament.
Which variation of "Adelphos" was he using when he referred to James??

Oh, so you rely on an unsaved Jew to interpret Scripture for you.
Wow, this is getting deep.....

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

John Ankerberg relies on only on the word "cousin" and nothing else.
WHO said that James and Joseph were "cousins" of Jesus??

Pull your head out of the ground and look at the facts objectively.
Take of your Catholic-hating glasses and look at the evidence.

There is no catholic hating in me
I forgave the church years ago for trying to destroy my soul.
You sound like the one who is hating.
I have a friend that is Jewish.
Everytime he wants something done and can't get it done, he starts crying anti-semitism
You won't do it because I'm Jewish!
He gains a lot of sympathy with that line.

You are using a similar type of speech claiming catholic-haters.

 

[GodsGrace]

Where are you getting this manure from??
Infant Baptism is a doctrinal matter and can never be changed.

As for "problems" - there will always be problems as long as there are human beings walking this earth.
As to your remark about something that is "likely" to change in the future - to what are you referring??

From those who know...
Communion could NEVER be given to remarrieds.
That is a DOCTRINE and it HAS BEEN CHANGED.

Are you one of those Catholics who cannot stand the thought of change?
It's already here.
Were you not aware?

Have you read Amoris Laetitia?
What did you think of it?
Especially Part 8?

 

[twinc]

Where are you getting this manure from??
Infant Baptism is a doctrinal matter and can never be changed.

As for "problems" - there will always be problems as long as there are human beings walking this earth.
As to your remark about something that is "likely" to change in the future - to what are you referring??

John Ankerberg relies on only on the word "cousin" and nothing else.
WHO said that James and Joseph were "cousins" of Jesus??

Pull your head out of the ground and look at the facts objectively.
Take of your Catholic-hating glasses and look at the evidence.

I am still trying to find out whether the Jews of the day regarded Joseph, as we do now as the foster father of Jesus - twinc

 

[BreadOfLife]

Okay, here's the bottom line
you worship Mary instead of God
that's your problem, not mine

And that's an idiotic argument based on the fact that you have ZERO evidence.
When you can show me in the Catechism that we are to "worship" Mary - I will leave the Church today and join your angry little sect.

 

[BreadOfLife]

There is no catholic hating in me
I forgave the church years ago for trying to destroy my soul.
You sound like the one who is hating.
I have a friend that is Jewish.
Everytime he wants something done and can't get it done, he starts crying anti-semitism
You won't do it because I'm Jewish!
He gains a lot of sympathy with that line.

You are using a similar type of speech claiming catholic-haters.
You are such a loser, it's sickening.

No - I only use terms like "Catholic-Hater" or "Anti-Catholic" when a person resorts to lying to make his points against the Church.
I know many Protestants who aren't anti-Catholic. You're not one of them because you lie.

Talk about sickening . . .

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I am still trying to find out whether the Jews of the day regarded Joseph, as we do now as the foster father of Jesus - twinc

We don't know the extent of how many people knew about Joseph and Mary and Jesus.
It seems it's not in the Bible, therefore is not important for us to know.

 

[twinc]

From those who know...
Communion could NEVER be given to remarrieds.
That is a DOCTRINE and it HAS BEEN CHANGED.

Are you one of those Catholics who cannot stand the thought of change?
It's already here.
Were you not aware?

Have you read Amoris Laetitia?
What did you think of it?
Especially Part 8?

have read it in the past - so remind us again especially Part 8 - meanwhile what exactly is the problem - see Matt 16:19 and 18:18 - twinc

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

No - I only use terms like "Catholic-Hater" or "Anti-Catholic" when a person resorts to lying to make his points against the Church.
I know many Protestants who aren't anti-Catholic. You're not one of them because you lie.

Talk about sickening . . .

Lol, you are of good humor at times.
I am quite comfortable with my beliefs, which allows me to laugh at yours.
You scream at everyone that you want proof
We all show you proof and you cry foul
Come with me, I'll show you how the rest of the world lives.....

 

[BreadOfLife]

From those who know...
Communion could NEVER be given to remarrieds.
That is a DOCTRINE and it HAS BEEN CHANGED.

Are you one of those Catholics who cannot stand the thought of change?
It's already here.
Were you not aware?

Have you read Amoris Laetitia?
What did you think of it?
Especially Part 8?

From those who know very little, you mean.

It appears that you are confused.
A person who receives a Declaration of Nullity and marries another person - that marriage is valid. An Annulment is not a Catholic "divorce". It is a declaration that a sacramental marriage never took place.

On the other hand - if a person simply gets a civil divorce and does not seek an annulment and remarries - that person is in a state of grave sin and cannot receive the Eucharist.
NOTHING has changed here, so I don't know where you're getting your false information -= but it ain't from the Church.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Lol, you are of good humor at times.
I am quite comfortable with my beliefs, which allows me to laugh at yours.
You scream at everyone that you want proof
We all show you proof and you cry foul
Come with me, I'll show you how the rest of the world lives.....