The Desert and the Depths

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The trials of our faith are never to determine passing or failing but always strengthening, even if we feel we did not endure in the manner in which we thought we should. Faith never decreases in strength but is always increased, even if by an unnoticeably scintilla of an increment. -NC



The Desert and the Depths

“They that go down to the sea in ships, that do business in great water; these see the works of the Lord and His wonders in the deep” (Ps 107:23, 24). How true this is! Yet, our cowardly hearts do so shrink form those “great waters.” We prefer to carry on our traffic in the shallows, and as a result, we fail to see “the works” and “wonders” of our Father; for these can only be seen and known “in the deep.”

It is in the day of trial and difficulty that the believer experiences something of the deep and untold blessedness of being able to count upon the Father. Were all to go on smoothly, this would not be so. It is not in gliding along the surface of a tranquil lake that the reality of His presence is known; but actually when the tempest roars, and the waves roll over the ship. The Father does not hold out to us the prospect of exemption from trial and tribulation; quite the opposite (but He does teach us through it to avoid disparity and anxiousness which exercises us in all things—NC). He tells us we shall have to meet both the one and the other; but He promises to be with us in them, and this is infinitely better.

Our Father’s presence in the trial is much better than exemption from the trial. The sympathy of His heart with us is far sweeter than the power of His hand for us. His presence with His faithful servants while passing through the furnace was far better than the display of His power to keep them out of it (Dan 3). We would frequently desire to be allowed to pass on our way without trial, but this would involve serious loss. The Lord Jesus presence is never so blessed as in moments of appalling difficulty.

There is not so much as a single position in all the desert-wanderings of the Father’s redeemed, where the boundaries are not marked off with studious accuracy by the hand of unerring wisdom and infinite love. The special bearings and peculiar influences of each position are carefully arranged. The Pihahiroths and the Migdols (Num 33:7) are all ordered with immediate reference to the moral condition of those whom the Father is conducting through the windings and labyrinths of the wilderness, and also to the display of His own character.

Unbelief may oftentimes suggest the inquiry, “Why is it thus?” The Father knows why; and He will, without doubt, reveal the why whenever the revelation would promote His glory and His people’s good. How often do we perplex ourselves as to the reason of our being exposed to such and such trials! How much better to bow our heads in meek subjection, and say, “It is well.” When our Father fixes our position for us, we may rest assured it is a wise and salutary one; and even when we foolishly and willfully choose a position for ourselves He most graciously overrules our folly and causes the influences of our self-chosen circumstances to work for our spiritual good.

It is when believers are brought into the greatest straits and difficulties that they are favored with the finest displays of the Father’s character and actions; and for this reason He oftentimes leads them into a trying position, in order that He may the more markedly show Himself. We too frequently lose sight of this great truth and the consequence is that our hearts give way in the time of trial. If we could only look upon a difficult crisis as an occasion of bringing out, on our behalf, the sufficiency of divine grace, it would enable us to preserve the balance of our souls, and to glorify our Father, even in the deepest waters!

- C H Mackintosh



Excerpt from MJS devotional for Sept. 26:

"Certainly the Holy Spirit directs in the countless details of daily life. Those who have faith, and are dependent upon His direction, will not be disappointed. But the Spirit leads according to Scriptural directions; hence that which is called the leading of the Spirit, and which has not the truth of the Word for its line of thought and action, is necessarily false." -H.F.W.
http://www.abideabove.com/hungry-heart/
 
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Thanks, that is a good one. I haven't seen you for a while.
Bless you....Helen
 

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The trials of our faith are never to determine passing or failing but always strengthening, even if we feel we did not endure in the manner in which we thought we should. Faith never decreases in strength but is always increased, even if by an unnoticeably scintilla of an increment. -NC

why is your faith trialed? people stick it out for a whole lot of reasons and trusting for a certain result that has nothing to do with trusting God. and realize there intent.

emperors have risen to realize their hopes and dreams in china and Europe and other places in the world with out knowing or trusting or believing on the Creator and Judge the God of Israel surviving battles and warfare to achieve their goals trusting that it was there to get. why is your faith trialed? Stalin is a good example of a man who trusted in nothing but his own endeavors, and achieved greatness within his own confines of his country. he was tried by fire more tan once in his survival to the top and to stay there. why is your faith trialed?

in the book of Job, was his faith trialed or was the beliefs of all around him burned to a crisp already. his wife told him to curse God and die, his friends had no clue, and insisted he did wrong to deserve his situation. though Job argued their thoughts he didn't waver, he just didn't like what has happened.

even with Job it is not about what happened, in his view, but in the view of those around him it was all about what happened because that is what they valued (family and possessions) and Job lost what they valued and believe for, but Job never lost what he valued most, nor what he believed.

just as Satan accused him of the hedge around him was the reason for his faithfulness so did those Job was with, because that is what they would do. therefore to them its a trial, but to Job it basically sucked.
 
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why is your faith trialed? people stick it out for a whole lot of reasons and trusting for a certain result that has nothing to do with trusting God. and realize there intent, etc.
Appreciate your reply but I do not understand what you're attempting to share. Thanks!
 

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Appreciate your reply but I do not understand what you're attempting to share. Thanks!
I didn't read your whole post.
Too long.

But I'll say this about the first paragraph.
What are you doing?
Discouraging every new Christian?

What if my faith is NOT increasing?
Am I inferior to you?

How about just stating what you want to say in 25 words or less so we could all know what you're getting at except that our faith is supposed to be increasing all the time and if it isn't maybe we're no good to God.
 

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But I'll say this about the first paragraph.
What are you doing?
Discouraging every new Christian?
I think I can see why one might interpret it that way, but the issue there is to know that once you have faith it's not only permanent but it's always growing, even if it's not noticeable, which is the case more than not until we begin to mature, which takes time for all believers.

Since everyone born again is conformed to "desire and do His good pleasure" (Phil 2:13) they will always be growing in their faith, so we are to be patient, and maintaining Word study supports this the most.

What if my faith is NOT increasing?
It will take time, esp. for newborns to learn to see this progress because it's often unnoticeable when maturing. I do not think any believer is ever inferior to another, but are just at varying maturity levels for walking in what is provided, which is the same for all concerning "life and godliness" (2 Pet 1:3). The more God causes us to mature (grow stronger in faith) in Christ, the more we learn to "reckon" to appropriate the provisions.


if it isn't maybe we're no good to God.
With God this could never be the case concerning one born again, regardless of whatever one may conclude, considering the above mentioned passage. I believe that wanting to put God first in your life in everything is one of the primary evidences of the Spirit's way of showing us we are the Father's children (Rom 8:16).

Appreciate your concerned reply!

God's blessings to you!
 

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I think I can see why one might interpret it that way, but the issue there is to know that once you have faith it's not only permanent but it's always growing, even if it's not noticeable, which is the case more than not until we begin to mature, which takes time for all believers.

Since everyone born again is conformed to "desire and do His good pleasure" (Phil 2:13) they will always be growing in their faith, so we are to be patient, and maintaining Word study supports this the most.


It will take time, esp. for newborns to learn to see this progress because it's often unnoticeable when maturing. I do not think any believer is ever inferior to another, but are just at varying maturity levels for walking in what is provided, which is the same for all concerning "life and godliness" (2 Pet 1:3). The more God causes us to mature (grow stronger in faith) in Christ, the more we learn to "reckon" to appropriate the provisions.



With God this could never be the case concerning one born again, regardless of whatever one may conclude, considering the above mentioned passage. I believe that wanting to put God first in your life in everything is one of the primary evidences of the Spirit's way of showing us we are the Father's children (Rom 8:16).

Appreciate your concerned reply!

God's blessings to you!
OK.
I prefer to the above to the O.P.
It tells new Christians more of what they need to hear.
God loves us all equally.
We come to know Him more and more.

The only comment I'd like to make is regarding how new Christians will always be growing in their faith.

This is true. As long as we understand that faith is not something we FEEL, (although sometimes we do, thank you God) but something that we know.

IOW, one might FEEL his faith more at the beginning when he's all excited about meeting Jesus, even though he will be more mature in his faith later on when, maybe, he does not feel it as much.

The enemy could use this to discourage a believer so they need to be aware of this aspect.

We don't FEEL
We KNOW.
 

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OK.
I prefer to the above to the O.P.
It tells new Christians more of what they need to hear.
God loves us all equally.
We come to know Him more and more.

The only comment I'd like to make is regarding how new Christians will always be growing in their faith.

This is true. As long as we understand that faith is not something we FEEL, (although sometimes we do, thank you God) but something that we know.

IOW, one might FEEL his faith more at the beginning when he's all excited about meeting Jesus, even though he will be more mature in his faith later on when, maybe, he does not feel it as much.

The enemy could use this to discourage a believer so they need to be aware of this aspect.

We don't FEEL
We KNOW.
I agree with you here and God bless!