Every Believer Must Do Good Works and Proclaim the Gospel, Some Are Called to Teach

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Ally.s.j

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I hate to get back into this thread...I told myself that I wouldn't look at it again.
I just wanted to say that what I have made bold in your post above, is the only thing I see that differentiates between what Paul calls Good works, and dead works. So many times I have tried to explain about what I mean , about good-works and it being from out of the heart... but you said it better than me here...it is the JOY which accompanies it!
I guess that is what I meant between having a "must do"...hanging over us like- " You must practice your piano lessons" and the kid seeing further than just todays practice so he does it with joy knowing it makes his mother happy.
It was your word joy..that sealed it for me....thanks.
There really is a lot more than that in what Paul said.
Anything that is not of God is of satan. So every thing we do or say or think that is not of God is of satan.
How much do we do in a day that is not of God. To much. I think we believe to deeply that we cant change now. But we can and indeed already are changed. Born again. But we continue to believe the liar.
 

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@verzanumi24 Hi you seem to miss teh point.

Luk 17:7 But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat?
Luk 17:8 And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink?
Luk 17:9 Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not.
Luk 17:10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do

we do these things because it is was is expected of us, for that no reward is expected or demanded, but Jesus,

Joh_10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

These are teh works of God, which are His works not ours, which follow after not go before, Far to many christians trying to prove them selves worthy by their works
 

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Please Job, you are just adding. With no love or concern. when he wrong he needs told in love. You wont gain him like that. We all fall short.


He claims to be a teacher of the Gospel. He should know better.

But I understand what you're saying...

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Well this is wishful thinking on this site. The fact that there is a "debate forum" pretty much ensures this won't happen, adding insult to injury.



There are many that might consider themselves teachers. I don't like to consider myself a teacher or a prophet........mainly because of the higher standard expected that comes with it.
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Paul was writing to the church (or churches) at Ephesus. Christians in a local assembly are accountable to each other, in submission to each other and the Pastor/Elders; this is much different than Christians on a forum such as this.
 

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You are doing the same from the outset my friend. I see you want others to have what you have and understand. But You can only pass on the information. But you went from that to ridicule. I thought you started well enough. Please try and show more love as Christ would do.

Do you really think Christ would be kind to those who deny the need to to good and give to the poor? Look what he did with the Pharisees who lacked love for others! The same anger that Jesus Christ had is the same anger I have against any person that calls himself a believer and says he doesn't need to feed the hungry. Even then, my stern speech is not to condemn, but to admonish, that they may repent. Even Paul said,

What do you prefer? Shall I come to you with a rod of discipline, or shall I come in love and with a gentle spirit? (1 Corinthians 4:21 [NIV])

You guys take my stern speech to mean that I don't love, but in fact, its quite the opposite, its because I love you that I am stern, and take the time to write out these elaborate studies showing all the scriptures you need to read and see that what I am saying is true, that you may come to salvation. No discipline feels good when it is happening, but its end result is delivering a child from death to life. Please understand and stop grumbling, because its not really about HOW I am saying what I am saying that you are complaining about, but its the fact that I am teaching you guys something that you do not put into practice the real reason you are complaining and grumbling against me. Even if I were speaking in a gentle tone, no doubt you would still be complaining!
 

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First, thanks for the response. second, as Christians, or righteous one we're not subject to Law, scripture, 1 Timothy 1:9 "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers" ect. so the Law is not for us who are righteous in Christ". two the Law was a pointer to Christ to SAVE sinners.

good I commend you. but rebuking and instructing is not way of "nitwit".... (smile), ok.

Great good message.

so if I just don't feed the hungry, and give to the poor only, am I lost? or if I led someone to Christ is that a problem, if I don't feed the hungry, or give to the poor?

Why are you doing this? You are not any more encouraging than christiang. This is horrible to read. You already know that you are indeed to produce good works and all of the things he mentioned are good works.
 

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Theres that works again !!! Its like the law has come back !! some so called Christians mock the jews and their blind state {at this time}>> about the law and then speak out of both sides out of their mouths and forked tongue!!
So what are you saying. we are to do nothing? I can see clearly what christiang is saying. And he is correct we are to produce good works. Holy Ghost will give all of us oppertunitys to produce good works every day. You then decide to work with Him or not.
 

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Do you really think Christ would be kind to those who deny the need to to good and give to the poor? Look what he did with the Pharisees who lacked love for others! The same anger that Jesus Christ had is the same anger I have against any person that calls himself a believer and says he doesn't need to feed the hungry. Even then, my stern speech is not to condemn, but to admonish, that they may repent. Even Paul said,

What do you prefer? Shall I come to you with a rod of discipline, or shall I come in love and with a gentle spirit? (1 Corinthians 4:21 [NIV])

You guys take my stern speech to mean that I don't love, but in fact, its quite the opposite, its because I love you that I am stern, and take the time to write out these elaborate studies showing all the scriptures you need to read and see that what I am saying is true, that you may come to salvation. No discipline feels good when it is happening, but its end result is delivering a child from death to life. Please understand and stop grumbling, because its not really about HOW I am saying what I am saying that you are complaining about, but its the fact that I am teaching you guys something that you do not put into practice the real reason you are complaining and grumbling against me. Even if I were speaking in a gentle tone, no doubt you would still be complaining!

What I see here clear as day. They the majority are offended at you and obviously not from the first post. They clearly don't like the way you teach or share Gods word. So they came and disagreed with you. Even though in my opinion you are correct we are commanded to produce good fruit/works.
They I think are offended at you. so they came against you as one. They like you have no right to be going at each other and using Gods word to prove YOU or THEM correct. Most of what is written in here is quite disgraceful. I think we all know full well that none of us would say half of what we said if Christ was sitting beside you. So that opens another window that reveals that maybe we have lost site of the fact that He along with the Father and the Holy Ghost in fact dwell in you all and are sitting right with you each time you post. We are attacking each other all the time. I never got a chance to look at anything else in here yet. I am so distracted by how horrible we are to brothers and sisters to prove a point.
Again I would say, if anyone came here and was looking for Christ would think they are the same as the world they talk the same and fight the same. Its pain full to look at this. You have made you point . You need to stop and let Holy Ghost work in the hearts of your brothers and sisters.

Sorry but your anger is not the same as Christs. Christ died for the pharisees. What have you done for the brethren here.
If you think they are in a poor place and need told. IT is NOT your place to tell them. How much time do you spend crying for them. That will tell you how much you love them.

Paul and Jesus suffered for them. You may well love them. Is being stern the way to win people. Never worked ever. Even if you were exceedingly nice. I would say it would fall on def ears anyway. People need to gain your respect and even then will only suffer you a little.

If you have a point to make make it and then leave the Holy Ghost to work. Stop all the trying to prove you are right. That at least would stop them some sinning against you.
 
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There's nothing wrong with calling an older woman an old lady. Does the scripture not call older men elderly? Now you're just nit picking and trying to find fault wherever you can. Why am I being stern with her? Because she is saying that believers don't need to give to the poor or feed the hungry. It is she you should be rebuking, not me, for pointing our a serious error that contradicts the very purpose of why we were called as believers in Jesus Christ, to do good unto others.
Its not nit picking. you are arguing again'st each other. We all know at that point you do not say anything in any way that would offend, it condecending not nit picking. No one really enjoys getting old. So there for they dont need reminded. YOU do not have the right to be stern with her.
If you read all my posts I believe ByGrace stopped posting when she clearly saw whats happening and the pain it causes for others. She never said it the way you are saying it. They are twisting what you said . And you are twisting what she said. Please stop you made your point they dont agree, and you all achived nothing but pain here. You were correct in your opening post. They dont like the way you post. If they did they would not talk the way they do to you.
 

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What I see here clear as day. They the majority are offended at you and obviously not from the first post. They clearly don't like the way you teach or share Gods word. So they came and disagreed with you. Even though in my opinion you are correct we are commanded to produce good fruit/works.
They I think are offended at you. so they came against you as one. They like you have no right to be going at each other and using Gods word to prove YOU or THEM correct. Most of what is written in here is quite disgraceful. I think we all know full well that none of us would say half of what we said if Christ was sitting beside you. So that opens another window that reveals that maybe we have lost site of the fact that He along with the Father and the Holy Ghost in fact dwell in you all and are sitting right with you each time you post. We are attacking each other all the time. I never got a chance to look at anything else in here yet. I am so distracted by how horrible we are to brothers and sisters to prove a point.
Again I would say, if anyone came here and was looking for Christ would think they are the same as the world they talk the same and fight the same. Its pain full to look at this. You have made you point . You need to stop and let Holy Ghost work in the hearts of your brothers and sisters.

Sorry but your anger is not the same as Christs. Christ died for the pharisees. What have you done for the brethren here.
If you think they are in a poor place and need told. IT is NOT your place to tell them. How much time do you spend crying for them. That will tell you how much you love them.

Paul and Jesus suffered for them. You may well love them. Is being stern the way to win people. Never worked ever. Even if you were exceedingly nice. I would say it would fall on def ears anyway. People need to gain your respect and even then will only suffer you a little.

If you have a point to make make it and then leave the Holy Ghost to work. Stop all the trying to prove you are right. That at least would stop them some sinning against you.

Tell me, if there was a believer that was going around injuring people, would you be reprimanding the ones sternly warning him to stop, or the one that is injuring others? You are reprimanding the wrong person. Do you not understand the seriousness of any person that calls himself a believer saying that he does not need to feed the hungry or give to the poor? I will absolutely not stop being stern against any person that calls himself a believer and says these things, for the sake of the poor and the hungry. Did you stop to consider what the homeless man on the street who's hungry is thinking when people pass by him and give him nothing? You are defending the wrong people, that don't care, which is why they say that "they don't have to", when the scriptures clearly tell us that we must do good unto these kinds of people. There are some matters I will discuss in gentleness of spirit, but in matters of giving to the poor, I will whip out a rod and strike whoever calls himself a believer yet refuses to give unto the needy.
 

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Why are you doing this? You are not any more encouraging than christiang. This is horrible to read. You already know that you are indeed to produce good works and all of the things he mentioned are good works.
see anything wrong with the scriptures I used?
 

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Tell me, if there was a believer that was going around injuring people, would you be reprimanding the ones sternly warning him to stop, or the one that is injuring others? You are reprimanding the wrong person. Do you not understand the seriousness of any person that calls himself a believer saying that he does not need to feed the hungry or give to the poor? I will absolutely not stop being stern against any person that calls himself a believer and says these things, for the sake of the poor and the hungry. Did you stop to consider what the homeless man on the street who's hungry is thinking when people pass by him and give him nothing? You are defending the wrong people, that don't care, which is why they say that "they don't have to", when the scriptures clearly tell us that we must do good unto these kinds of people. There are some matters I will discuss in gentleness of spirit, but in matters of giving to the poor, I will whip out a rod and strike whoever calls himself a believer yet refuses to give unto the needy.
And where does God tell you to do that? See from out of the heart is a man. You want to sternly warn them. You are called to love. Not to sternly warn anyone.
 

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see anything wrong with the scriptures I used?

The way you are replying and goading him is not of Christ is it? Yes I see wrong with the scriptures the way you are using Gods word for your end. To get one up on christiang. Theres no love in your replys to him. although they did improve on your last one.
 

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And where does God tell you to do that? See from out of the heart is a man. You want to sternly warn them. You are called to love. Not to sternly warn anyone.

No, we are commanded to rebuke and admonish brothers and sisters in sin, otherwise we ourselves partake in their sins. Anyone who is refusing to help the poor is sinning, because such things are commanded by God for us to do.
 

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The way you are replying and goading him is not of Christ is it? Yes I see wrong with the scriptures the way you are using Gods word for your end. To get one up on christiang. Theres no love in your replys to him. although they did improve on your last one.
#1. are you judging me? you should check the scriptures, especially Roman 14:13.

#2. goading him?, I can't make anyone do anything, it's up to them. if someone call you a dog, do you bark?, no, unless you're a dog.

#3. U said, "Yes I see wrong with the scriptures the way you are using Gods word for your end". ok point it out to me, I hear good reasoning.

#4. U said, "To get one up on christiang". I'm not here to play games or to keep score. I see you don't know me. now if you post something then have scripture to back it up. if not it will be burnt up as the bible says. not me him.

#5. U said, "Theres no love in your replys to him". another judgment? can you read my heart?. I take no offence or give any. I'm like our brother the apostle Paul, "I have become all thing to all men".

#6. "although they did improve on your last one". well thanks.
 

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No, we are commanded to rebuke and admonish brothers and sisters in sin, otherwise we ourselves partake in their sins. Anyone who is refusing to help the poor is sinning, because such things are commanded by God for us to do.
christiang, helping the poor is the ONLY work of GOD? yes or no.
 

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No, we are commanded to rebuke and admonish brothers and sisters in sin, otherwise we ourselves partake in their sins. Anyone who is refusing to help the poor is sinning, because such things are commanded by God for us to do.
No one in here is refusing to help the poor. So why are you still rebuking. All your doing is ruining the OP and causeing pain. God never called you to do that.
 

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#1. are you judging me? you should check the scriptures, especially Roman 14:13.

#2. goading him?, I can't make anyone do anything, it's up to them. if someone call you a dog, do you bark?, no, unless you're a dog.

#3. U said, "Yes I see wrong with the scriptures the way you are using Gods word for your end". ok point it out to me, I hear good reasoning.

#4. U said, "To get one up on christiang". I'm not here to play games or to keep score. I see you don't know me. now if you post something then have scripture to back it up. if not it will be burnt up as the bible says. not me him.

#5. U said, "Theres no love in your replys to him". another judgment? can you read my heart?. I take no offence or give any. I'm like our brother the apostle Paul, "I have become all thing to all men".

#6. "although they did improve on your last one". well thanks.
I said what I know is correct you either except it or you don't. You clearly don't. Be both know I am correct.