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[BreadOfLife]

I could say the same to you.

But you speak as one who does not know that "the kingdom of God is within you", and you would have me "look here" and "look there" - but I know better than to listen to your kind...for He is in me, and I am in Him (already).

Yes, you could SAY the same thing to me - but I'm already here in Christ's Church.

Look - Jesus established only ONE Church. He never sanctioned the perpetually-splintering mess that is the fruit of Protestantism - with it's tens of thousands of disjointed, bickering denominations ALL teaching different doctrines. HARDLY the unity He prayed for at the Last Supper (John 17:20-23).

This is precisely what Scripture warned against (1 Cor. 1:10-13, 1 Cor. 4:6). The Holy Spirit, guiding Paul thought it important enough to list along with other sins like sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry and sorcery (Galatians 5:19-21).

NOBODY delights more in the divisions brought about by Protestantism than Satan himself.
You're playing right into his hands . . .

 

[ScottA]

Yes, you could SAY the same thing to me - but I'm already here in Christ's Church.

Look - Jesus established only ONE Church. He never sanctioned the perpetually-splintering mess that is the fruit of Protestantism - with it's tens of thousands of disjointed, bickering denominations ALL teaching different doctrines. HARDLY the unity He prayed for at the Last Supper (John 17:20-23).

This is precisely what Scripture warned against (1 Cor. 1:10-13, 1 Cor. 4:6). The Holy Spirit, guiding Paul thought it important enough to list along with other sins like sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry and sorcery (Galatians 5:19-21).

NOBODY delights more in the divisions brought about by Protestantism than Satan himself.
You're playing right into his hands . . .

You keep saying protestantism because you have an ax to grind. But I am not affiliated, not a child of any teaching, except God.

There you go saying "Look" again. But you yourself look and do not see. Christ established one church, not because they all are one, but because He is One. In fact the word of God speaks of many churches: Seven surrounding Jerusalem, and many more even daily as the good news spread to Asia and beyond. So...He is One, but it is wrong to say there is one church, given the manifold witness which He has promoted to the ends of the earth.

"My strength is made perfect in weakness."

Paul only spoke against wolves coming in and perverse doctrines, and this, before most of what has become of the church as you describe it came to be. Which means you too have joined those who have divided the church by doctrines.

But against one who prescribes to none of it - you raise up the name of Satan. Better, if you had listened.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You keep saying protestantism because you have an ax to grind. But I am not affiliated, not a child of any teaching, except God.

There you go saying "Look" again. But you yourself look and do not see. Christ established one church, not because they all are one, but because He is One. In fact the word of God speaks of many churches: Seven surrounding Jerusalem, and many more even daily as the good news spread to Asia and beyond. So...He is One, but it is wrong to say there is one church, given the manifold witness which He has promoted to the ends of the earth.

"My strength is made perfect in weakness."

Paul only spoke against wolves coming in and perverse doctrines, and this, before most of what has become of the church as you describe it came to be. Which means you too have joined those who have divided the church by doctrines.

But against one who prescribes to none of it - you raise up the name of Satan. Better, if you had listened.

And your ignorance rears it's head once again.

The "7 churches" of Rev. 1-2 are locations - not different Churches.
Today, we call them "parishes". It's ONE Church in 7 different places.

And your claim to say that it is "wrong" to say that there is only ONE Church is based on your ignorance of Scripture.
At the Last Supper - Jesus prayed fervently for his Church to remain ONE - as He and the Father are ONE (John 17:20-23).

Finally - Paul spoke against factions (1 Cor. 1:10, 12:25) and listed divisions within the body as sinful as sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry and sorcery (Galatians 5:19-21)

 

[ScottA]

And your ignorance rears it's head once again.

The "7 churches" of Rev. 1-2 are locations - not different Churches.
Today, we call them "parishes". It's ONE Church in 7 different places.

And your claim to say that it is "wrong" to say that there is only ONE Church is based on your ignorance of Scripture.
At the Last Supper - Jesus prayed fervently for his Church to remain ONE - as He and the Father are ONE (John 17:20-23).

Finally - Paul spoke against factions (1 Cor. 1:10, 12:25) and listed divisions within the body as sinful as sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry and sorcery (Galatians 5:19-21)

I have no need of you explaining the Oneness of the church - I explained it to you.

But, yes, you and the catholics are guilty of creating the greatest of fractions. Nonetheless (but to your shame), His strength is made perfect in weakness.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I have no need of you explaining the Oneness of the church - I explained it to you.

But, yes, you and the catholics are guilty of created the greatest of fractions. Nonetheless (but to your shame), His strength is made perfect in weakness.

Since the Catholic Church is the original Tree from which Protestantism splintered - it's kind of futile trying to portray it as a mere "faction" . . .

 

[ScottA]

Since the Catholic Church is the original Tree from which Protestantism splintered - it's kind of futile trying to portray it as a mere "faction" . . .

No, your fracture was from the spirit of God and all that was given to you, of which you were unworthy to carry.

 

[bbyrd009]

You keep saying protestantism because you have an ax to grind. But I am not affiliated, not a child of any teaching, except God.

There you go saying "Look" again. But you yourself look and do not see. Christ established one church, not because they all are one, but because He is One. In fact the word of God speaks of many churches: Seven surrounding Jerusalem, and many more even daily as the good news spread to Asia and beyond. So...He is One, but it is wrong to say there is one church, given the manifold witness which He has promoted to the ends of the earth.

"My strength is made perfect in weakness."

Paul only spoke against wolves coming in and perverse doctrines, and this, before most of what has become of the church as you describe it came to be. Which means you too have joined those who have divided the church by doctrines.

But against one who prescribes to none of it - you raise up the name of Satan. Better, if you had listened.

you have me wanting to defend/stand in the gap for BoL here; but there is nothing that comes to mind. I mean, i'm trying to fake it even, and i just can't.

 

[jimd]

It should be very obvious, the church/the faithful are built on Christ, not on any man. We are faithful to Christ only, not any imperfect man as all men except one are imperfect. Differing among ourselves has no bearing on the faithful in Christ. We are all like snowflakes (heavy on the flakes) no two alike. I know people from many religious affiliations who I consider faithful.

 

[epostle1]

It should be very obvious, the church/the faithful are built on Christ, not on any man. We are faithful to Christ only, not any imperfect man as all men except one are imperfect. Differing among ourselves has no bearing on the faithful in Christ. We are all like snowflakes (heavy on the flakes) no two alike. I know people from many religious affiliations who I consider faithful.

That's pitting the "church/faithful built on Christ" against the Church Jesus established. The Bible never does that. It's a man made tradition. The Bible doesn't make the Church purely spiritual either. Nobody is saying the Church is built "on any man", that's a straw man fallacy. Jesus builds His Church on the personal leadership of Peter and the Apostles, Peter doesn't build anything without Jesus. Jesus builds the Church. It's a physical/spiritual Church, not just spiritual. A spiritual/invisible church cannot function.

 

[jimd]

That's pitting the "church/faithful built on Christ" against the Church Jesus established. The Bible never does that. It's a man made tradition. The Bible doesn't make the Church purely spiritual either. Nobody is saying the Church is built "on any man", that's a straw man fallacy. Jesus builds His Church on the personal leadership of Peter and the Apostles, Peter doesn't build anything without Jesus. Jesus builds the Church. It's a physical/spiritual Church, not just spiritual. A spiritual/invisible church cannot function.

Clever reasoning but He said: My kingdom is not of this world.

 

[epostle1]

Clever reasoning but He said: My kingdom is not of this world.

Does the Bible say "kingdom" means only spiritual? Not of this world has more that one meaning. Jesus doesn't make false dichotomies. Jesus doesn't mean his kingdom is completely absent from this world or we are all in trouble.

Let's examine three historic and harmonizing interpretations of the kingdom of God, each of which shed light on this important concept.

The Christological Dimension
Here we see that “the Kingdom is not a thing, it is not a geographical dominion like worldly kingdoms. It is a person; it is he. On this interpretation, the term ‘Kingdom of God’ is itself a veiled Christology. By the way in which he speaks of the Kingdom of God, Jesus leads men to realize the overwhelming fact that in him God himself is present among them, that he is God’s presence.”

The Idealistic/Mystical Dimension
Here we see that The Kingdom of God resides in the heart of man. Church Father, Origen [1] wrote, “those who pray for the coming of the Kingdom of God pray without any doubt for the Kingdom of God that they contain in themselves, and they pray that this kingdom might bear fruit and attain its fullness.”

The Ecclesiastical Dimension
Here we see that the kingdom of God is in the here and now, present in and through the Church. Yet it is a mixed reality that will only be perfectly realized at the end of history. This current “mixed” state can be seen as the Church on earth which now grows in the field of the world with both weeds and wheat until the harvest when Christ says he will “tell the reapers, Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned. But gather the wheat into my barn” (Matt 13:30).

What is the Kingdom of God? | Catholic Answers

 

[KBCid]

you have me wanting to defend/stand in the gap for BoL here; but there is nothing that comes to mind. I mean, i'm trying to fake it even, and i just can't.

lololololololol
OMG you must stop this insanity. If I laugh any harder there will be permanent damage.

 

[KBCid]

Actually the original tree was paganism and the CC was a splinter from it.....;)

 

[BreadOfLife]

No, your fracture was from the spirit of God and all that was given to you, of which you were unworthy to carry.

Apparently you didn't read my last post - so I'll repeat it:
Since the Catholic Church is the original Tree from which Protestantism splintered - it's kind of futile trying to portray it as a mere "faction".

The only splinters and factions are Protestant . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Actually the original tree was paganism and the CC was a splinter from it.....

No - the original tree from which Protestantism splintered was the Catholic Church.

One of your own, Protestant historian Kenneth Samples wrote about this in his Treatise, "What Think Ye of Rome": An Evangelical Appraisal of Contemporary Catholicism.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj0hbWasb7XAhXhO5oKHRZuAsAQFggoMAA&url=http://www.equip.org/PDF/DC170-1.pdf&usg=AOvVaw2fjMJVuPRWKmWM8BjBadNk

I suggest you do your homework . . .

 

[Marymog]

Actually the original tree was paganism and the CC was a splinter from it.....;)

Hi,

What church was Ignatius of Antioch referring to when he called The Church the Catholic Church?

IHS...Mary

 

[101G]

No - the original tree from which Protestantism splintered was the Catholic Church.

How can the pot call the kettle black?. your doctrine is just as much in error as any of the Protestant churches. you hold on to the same doctrine that is in error.

 

[bbyrd009]

Since the Catholic Church is the original Tree

ha ppl are so gullible

 

[bbyrd009]

Hi,

What church was Ignatius of Antioch referring to when he called The Church the Catholic Church?

IHS...Mary

what book of Scripture did Ignatius write, again?

 

[ScottA]

Apparently you didn't read my last post - so I'll repeat it:
Since the Catholic Church is the original Tree from which Protestantism splintered - it's kind of futile trying to portray it as a mere "faction".

The only splinters and factions are Protestant . . .

I read it...but you have it wrong:

John 15:5
“I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.

But you do not abide in Him, but abide in the world of men, following men, following branches. You are the fruit that has withered because you followed not the Tree/Vine.