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No - not until you start answering MY questions.
I'm not changing the subject - but I am not going to answer any more of your questions until you start answering some of mine.
Sure - as soon as YOU answer these from post #297 . . .
that's what it is all about, having fun. keep on reading.I read this thread BOL and 101G.....you two make me laugh...but I am still reading.
If you are a Jehovah's Witness, your cult started in 1870. If you are a Seventh Day Adventist, your cult started in 1863. Both deny the Trinity and both made-in-America. If you say Jesus was created, this heresy called Arianism was refuted at the Council of Nicae in 325. If you say Jesus was 2 distinct persons, this heresy is called Nestorianism and was refuted at the Council of Ephesus in 451. If you say Christs' human and divine natures are somehow blurred together then you follow the heretic Eutyches. He was refuted at the Council of Chalcedon. The authoritive verdicts of all these councils, especially Chalcedon, is accepted by Protestants, Catholics, and Orthodox. The Trinity, rooted in scripture, is a doctrinal development.I been doing that, you scared to answer, stalling... (smile)... LOL. now that book chapter, and verse please..............
now if you can't answer, strike 3....
well first off I'm neither of the above, nor am I a trinitarian.
Oh, I get it. You are your own authority.
No, you don't get it. I'm not my own authority. prove all thing against false doctrine, and any false apostles, supportive scripture, Revelation 2:2 "I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars". so much for the Apostolic Teaching, that's not of God... (smile).
They are really not precisely the same. I also do not reject the trinity although I do not believe in it. To reject it would mean I absolutely see no possibility that I am wrong in my belief. It is a belief rather than knowledge.
Apostolic teaching? With a history of one Pope [apostle?] rather than 12? What became of the other 11? Did the Catholic Church draw lots to appoint each new apostle as they did to replace Judas in Acts 1? When they lost the missing 11, why did they not replace them?
Spot the fake verse!
I can quietly pray in tongues
Apostolic means all the Apostles.
I don't know when the practice of drawing straws ceased, probably as the Infant Church matured. Just because it's biblical does not make it doctrinal, and the Church has the authority to change non-doctrinal practices. It's hardly practical for 300 bishops to draw straws.
They did, they are called bishops. Would you like some of their names?
Because you have this fixed, false understanding of what infallibility means. Most Protestants do, and all sola scripturists just don't get it. I repeat, Men cannot be infallible without Christ. Therefore men with Christ who are commissioned to teach, do so infallibly. It's Jesus who is infallible. It's not rocket science.
Isa. 35:8, 54:13-17 – this prophecy refers to the Church as the Holy Way where sons will be taught by God and they will not err. The Church has been given the gift of infallibility when teaching about faith and morals, where her sons are taught directly by God and will not err. This gift of infallibility means that the Church is prevented from teaching error by the power of the Holy Spirit (it does not mean that Church leaders do not sin!)
Acts 9:2; 22:4; 24:14,22 – the early Church is identified as the “Way” prophesied in Isaiah 35:8 where fools will not err therein.
Matt. 10:20; Luke 12:12 – Jesus tells His apostles it is not they who speak, but the Spirit of their Father speaking through them. If the Spirit is the one speaking and leading the Church, the Church cannot err on matters of faith and morals.
Matt. 16:18 – Jesus promises the gates of Hades would never prevail against the Church. This requires that the Church teach infallibly. If the Church did not have the gift of infallibility, the gates of Hades and error would prevail. Also, since the Catholic Church was the only Church that existed up until the Reformation, those who follow the Protestant reformers call Christ a liar by saying that Hades did prevail.
Matt. 16:19 – for Jesus to give Peter and the apostles, mere human beings, the authority to bind in heaven what they bound on earth requires infallibility. This is a gift of the Holy Spirit and has nothing to do with the holiness of the person receiving the gift.
Matt. 18:17-18 – the Church (not Scripture) is the final authority on questions of the faith. This demands infallibility when teaching the faith. She must be prevented from teaching error in order to lead her members to the fullness of salvation.
Matt. 28:20 – Jesus promises that He will be with the Church always. Jesus’ presence in the Church assures infallible teaching on faith and morals. With Jesus present, we can never be deceived.
Luke 10:16 – whoever hears you, hears me. Whoever rejects you, rejects me. Jesus is very clear that the bishops of the Church speak with Christ’s infallible authority.
Luke 22:32 – Jesus prays for Peter, that his faith may not fail. Jesus’ prayer for Peter’s faith is perfectly efficacious, and this allows Peter to teach the faith without error (which means infallibly).
Gen. to Deut.; Psalms; Paul – Moses and maybe Paul were murderers and David was an adulterer and murderer, but they also wrote infallibly. God uses us sinful human beings because when they respond to His grace and change their lives, we give God greater glory and His presence is made more manifest in our sinful world.
John 14:16 – Jesus promises that the Holy Spirit would be with the Church forever. The Spirit prevents the teaching of error on faith and morals. It is guaranteed because the guarantee comes from God Himself who cannot lie.
John 14:26 – Jesus promises that the Holy Spirit would teach the Church (the apostles and successors) all things regarding the faith. This means that the Church can teach us the right moral positions on such things as in vitro fertilization, (test tube babies) cloning, surrogate mothers, and other issues that are not addressed in the Bible. After all, these issues of morality are necessary for our salvation, and God would not leave such important issues to be decided by us sinners without His divine assistance.
John 16:12 – Jesus had many things to say but the apostles couldn’t bear them at that point. This demonstrates that the Church’s infallible doctrine develops over time. All public Revelation was completed with the death of the last apostle, but the doctrine of God’s Revelation develops as our minds and hearts are able to welcome and understand it. God teaches His children only as much as they can bear, for their own good.
John 16:13 – Jesus promises that the Spirit will “guide” the Church into all truth. Our knowledge of the truth develops as the Spirit guides the Church, and this happens over time.
Acts 15 The conclusions of the Jerusalem Council were infallible. Was that a one time historical event or a model for future councils?
What year did Jesus allegedly abandon His Church that no one noticed until the middle of a revolt?
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Matthew 18:20 For where two or three gather in my name, there am I in the midst. Isaiah66:1-2 Thus says the Lord; " Heaven is My throne and the earth is my footstool; what is the house which you would build for me, and what (IS) the place of my rest? All these things My hand has made and so all these things are MINE, says the Lord. But this is the man to whom I will look, he that is humble and contrite in spirit and trembles at My WORD.
What IS the place of His rest? Is His place of rest the man to whom he will look? He who is humble and contrite of heart, is this where he will rest? What does this mean? Are you saying that God rest's in only the RCC? This is the- wherever, Christ is speaking of?
INFALLIBILITY should be stated as follows: A man is as infallible as the WORD, he stands on and keeps. You are as infallible as the WORD YOU KEEP. If a man keeps NOT the WORD he is fallible. Test a man's words by Christ, the WORD. In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. If a man does not lie about, misrepresent or deny Christ he is a shepherd to the less learned. Are you applying all these scriptural verses and truths you quote above to your one denomination? Are you saying, the RCC is the first church?
Also, obviously it can be said St. Peter taught of Christ without error. This can not be said of ALL POPES though. Stand on the WORD and you will not support false teachers.
People who do not lie about Christ, who do not promote other faiths, who do not contradict scripture, who are not" ON " one day and "OFF" another, they are God's rest. They are those who are COMPLETE. They are stable in all their ways. They are Not authors of confusion, because they listen and obey the AUTHOR OF LIFE! Reject the liars of your denomination and you will stand completely on the WORD. "Heaven and earth shall pass away , but MY words shall not pass away." Those who love Yeshua, are His rest and are His WORDS, and we shall NOT pass away. Those who do His will are the temple of the living God. I know I can serve Him anywhere, not just in the confines of a Religious Institution. Seminary does not make you holy, God does. Not only that... he approves and confirms you through grace. A paper from seminary means nothing, Judas had many papers and degrees, "behold a scholar." Good people, have come up through the RCC, but it is not the Beginning and the End. Hold on to the truths and reject the lies, and you will stand firmly on the Word! God Bless!
Disbelief of something is a rejection of that idea.
You're just another incarnation of Sabellianism (Modalism). You belong a gaggle of Modalists who call themselves different names.
. ok, let's get down to business. I will not use any names to protect the innocent from any witness....... (smile) , WHAT? oh well... they was trying to cover their self from the revelation that the Father and the Son is the SAME PERSON. in doing they got caught in a ..... let’s say in an ERROR . When asked for the book chapter and verses which states this, no answer was given because the bible do not say it. while in this ERROR, and admitting that Revelation 1:8 spoke of the Lord Jesus, which they didn’t want to admit, but had to, This ERROR shows several things. 
