Born again requirement ?

[bbyrd009]

Maybe you should change your way if thinking. I don't like that you are arguing here. We all are brothers who will protect each other and truly love each other. We are also responsible for our actions and we will be accounted for them - that is what Muslims believe. Maybe you could just read about Islam, it is a whole way of life

yes, we have this in Christianity too, "you will be judged by your works," only i guess we are doing such evil works right now many Christians have found a way to ignore the passage. Of course Muslims are the enemy, so despite the fact that we cannot witness any Muslim atrocities being perpetrated upon us by the thousands of Muslims that currently live in our counties, your advice will not be heard and not only that, you will out yourself as being outside the camp, and you will be judged (along with me btw)

but since you are new, i feel like i should say most ppl here are great, and likely agree with you, at least on some level. We have a couple OGs that are either family of site owners, or interesting experiments in forgiveness, or something? we're not sure which

 

[mjrhealth]

it is a whole way of life

So is christianity without all the rules, problem is for most its all about teh flesh, making teh outside look clean while the inside,

Luk_11:39 And the Lord said unto him, Now do ye Pharisees make clean the outside of the cup and the platter; but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness.

As for this topic, well we are born again when we receive the Spirit of God, from God, and we become a new creation as did Christ, He was the first.

Isnt so hard.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Some people simply wisely shake the dust from their feet and move on...

And some people learn from their anti-Catholic mistakes and no longer post that rubbish . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Unless a person just jumps on your band wagon with both feet you have no charity, but from what I have seen your wagon travels with no passengers... Would even even Jesus be allowed to ride if he failed to kowtow?

And that is a ignorantly false statement.
I only parrot what Christ's Church has taught for 2000 years.

My wagon is loaded with passengers . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Maybe you should change your way if thinking. I don't like that you are arguing here. We all are brothers who will protect each other and truly love each other. We are also responsible for our actions and we will be accounted for them - that is what Muslims believe. Maybe you could just read about Islam, it is a whole way of life

If Islam is what you've chosen - good luck.
I'll stick with orthodox Christianity . . .

 

[twinc]

Why are you both christians arguing? Maybe your religion does not bring fulfilled happiness your life.

Maybe you should change your way if thinking. I don't like that you are arguing here. We all are brothers who will protect each other and truly love each other. We are also responsible for our actions and we will be accounted for them - that is what Muslims believe. Maybe you could just read about Islam, it is a whole way of life

no not at all = shia vs sunni and both vs peaceful Sufis - twinc

 

[bbyrd009]

no not at all = shia vs sunni and both vs peaceful Sufis - twinc

i have found that apolitical Muslims are usually the best Christians; even if they are as rare as apolitical Christians

 

[amadeus]

Maybe you should change your way if thinking. I don't like that you are arguing here. We all are brothers who will protect each other and truly love each other. We are also responsible for our actions and we will be accounted for them - that is what Muslims believe. Maybe you could just read about Islam, it is a whole way of life

Following Jesus is a whole Way of life. The fact that some may lose their way or never properly find it does not mean that the Way is wrong. It means that they have erred. Men do that including Christians, Muslims and others.

"Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." Matt 22:36-40

"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment." Matt 12:36

 

[BreadOfLife]

i have found that apolitical Muslims are usually the best Christians; even if they are as rare as apolitical Christians

No - the best Christians are those who have surrendered themselves to Christ - not Islam.
Muslims are not Christians.

 

[bbyrd009]

thank God for small favors then, lol

for everyone else, Muslims are assured that they must follow Christ or be doomed, in many places in the Qur'an.
And they mostly live it rather than talking about it and then voting for another "defense" dept increase

 

[amadeus]

And that is a ignorantly false statement.
I only parrot what Christ's Church has taught for 2000 years.

And if you were to receive from God a seemingly contradictory message as Hosea did where would parroting your leaders get you? In a lot of trouble with God.

"And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?" Luke 6:39

My

wagon is loaded with passengers . . .

If it is your wagon with your message that you have expressed on this forum which is filled with people, we would have to pray for all of those passengers as well:

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves." Matt 23:15

 

[amadeus]

No - the best Christians are those who have surrendered themselves to Christ - not Islam.
Muslims are not Christians.

You really don't understand what a Christian really should be, do you? You don't understand what Christ is.
The man who has the right heart for God is the follower of Christ, without regard to the label that men or church has assigned to him.

 

[BreadOfLife]

And if you were to receive from God a seemingly contradictory message as Hosea did where would parroting your leaders get you? In a lot of trouble with God.

"And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?" Luke 6:39

Unless you actually believe that Jesus was a liar - the it's not a case of the "blind" leading the blind.
He gave His Church SUPREME earthly Authority - that WHATEVER it binds and looses on earth will be bound or loosed in Heaven. He promised His Church that the Holy Spirit would guide it to ALL Truth (John 16:12-15).

If that sounds like the "blind" leading the blind to you - then YOU don't think much of God . . .

If it is your wagon with your message that you have expressed on this forum which is filled with people, we would have to pray for all of those passengers as well:
"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves." Matt 23:15

Tell me - which one of the tens of thousands of the perpetually-splintering sects of Protestantism is correct?

Some Protestant denominations believe in baptismal regeneration, while others do not.
Some believe in soul-sleep, while others do not.
Some believe in the total depravity of man, while others do not.
Some believe in the Holy Trinity, while others do not.
Some believe in doctrine of “once saved, always saved”, while others do not.
Some believe in a pre-tribulation “Rapture”, while others do not.
Some believe that only those who were predestined will make it to heaven, while others do not.
Some believe that some were predestined for hell, while others do not.
Some believe in a woman’s right to choose abortion, while others do not.
Some believe that practicing homosexuality is a sin, while others do not.
Most believe in contraception, while others do not – and the list goes on.

WHO is right and WHO is wrong?

 

[BreadOfLife]

You really don't understand what a Christian really should be, do you? You don't understand what Christ is.
The man who has the right heart for God is the follower of Christ, without regard to the label that men or church has assigned to him.

Christ is the ONLY way to salvation (John 14:6).
There is NO other way.

Islam is a man made invention that is completely devoid of this belief.
Shame on you for not knowing the difference.

 

[amadeus]

@BreadOfLife

I cannot judge who is wrong. That seems to a job to which you have appointed yourself.

I will only say that God is always right. When you or I are on His side then at that point you or I are right. When you or I are NOT on His side, then at that point you or I are wrong.

Give God the glory!

 

[amadeus]

Christ is the ONLY way to salvation (John 14:6).
There is NO other way.

Islam is a man made invention that is completely devoid of this belief.
Shame on you for not knowing the difference.

Being able to mouth the words, does not imply that a person also has understanding:

"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts." Prov 21:2

"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps" Jerem 10:23

"Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths." Prov 3:5-6

 

[twinc]

Being able to mouth the words, does not imply that a person also has understanding:

"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts." Prov 21:2

"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps" Jerem 10:23

"Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths." Prov 3:5-6

all this because Christianity is not really understood so it cannot properly be passed on because the blinded are trying to lead others in and outside Christianity - Jesus realised all this and provided a way and the only way - to cut to the chase and keep it sort imho there will only be Christians in heaven or hell and they will be Catholics imho - just try and understand that - twinc

 

[BreadOfLife]

Being able to mouth the words, does not imply that a person also has understanding:

"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts." Prov 21:2

"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps" Jerem 10:23

"Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths." Prov 3:5-6

It's not about "mouthing words".
It's about accepting or rejecting Christ.

Islam rejects Jesus as the Savior of the world.

 

[amadeus]

all this because Christianity is not really understood so it cannot properly be passed on because the blinded are trying to lead others in and outside Christianity - Jesus realised all this and provided a way and the only way - to cut to the chase and keep it sort imho there will only be Christians in heaven or hell and they will be Catholics imho - just try and understand that - twinc

I believe that I do, at least in part, twinc. Understanding what you mean, of course, does not mean agreeing with you on each point, does it?

 

[BreadOfLife]

@BreadOfLife

I cannot judge who is wrong. That seems to a job to which you have appointed yourself.

I will only say that God is always right. When you or I are on His side then at that point you or I are right. When you or I are NOT on His side, then at that point you or I are wrong.

Give God the glory!

Wrong.
You can judge if a person is wrong.

What we cannot do is condemn their souls - which neither I nor the Church has EVER done.
Those who claim that Scripture tells us NOT to judge a person's fruits simply doesn't know the Word of God (John 7:24, Matt 7:15-20).