YESHUA AND MELCHIZEDEK

[EndTimeWine]

This is a PDF. I have posted this elsewhere. Only a few got it. Curious to know how those here
view this. Should be great debate and discussion God Bless!​

 

[101G]

I don't believe they are the same person
#1. U said in the PDF, "father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, like the Son of God He remains a Priest forever". it's just that they don't have his birth records.

#2. U said in the PDF, "the Lord, and angel can not be a High Priest. That would be angel worship".
take note, Melchizedek was not a high priest, only a priest of the MOST HIGH.

Peace in Christ Jesus.

 

[Jay Ross]

This is a PDF. I have posted this elsewhere. Only a few got it. Curious to know how those here
view this. Should be great debate and discussion God Bless!​

It is an interesting proposition that you have proposed.

The understanding of the Jews is that Melchizedekel is that he is also Shem, the eldest son of Noah, who, on Noah's death inherited Noah's authority over all of the People of the earth at that time and also became a Priest unto God for all of the people of the Earth.

The Twelve princes of the 12 tribes of Israel also operated under the same principle as Shem operated as a priest between the people and God. The dedication of the Sanctuary of the Tabernacle was carried out by the Princes of the twelve tribes of Israel, see Numbers 7, in the pattern portrayed by Shem, as Melchizedekel in Genesis 14. The covenant entered into by God with the 12 tribes of Israel at Mt Sinai was that they would become Priests unto the Lord in the Order of Melchizedekel as the covenant entered was to establish a kingdom of Priests and a Holy Nation unto the Lord.

Christ became the first Priest unto God at the beginning of the Millennium Age in the order of Melchizedekel as given at Mt Sinai and when God made like new again the Mt Sinai covenant of a Kingdom of Priest and a Holy Nation, Israel too will be a kingdom of Priests operating in the Order of Melchizedekel as well.

As a Kingdom of Priests, the role of the Nation of Israel will be to operate as a priest to instruct the people living about each of the Priest of the Kingdom of priest covenant that is to be renewed in our near future about the Salvation Covenant that existed at the time that Adam and Eve were formed at the end of the sixth "period of time" during the creation story and has now been refurbished and made like new again for all of the people of the earth to respond too.

The "Old" and the "New" covenant will fade in their significance as the Salvation Covenant is preached for the salvation of the lost Souls being drawn into God's everlasting Kingdom.

This is a very different understanding of God's Salvation covenant with Mankind.

 

[Armadillo]

The road to Emmaus, Luke 24:27, And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.

Jesus is throughout the pages of the Old Testament.

Melchizedek is the "King of Peace", Hebrews 7:2.
Jesus is the "Prince of Peace", Isaiah 9:6.

Jesus is Melchizedek, Jesus is God, Hebrews 7:3, Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.

 

[EndTimeWine]

It is an interesting proposition that you have proposed.

The understanding of the Jews is that Melchizedekel is that he is also Shem, the eldest son of Noah, who, on Noah's death inherited Noah's authority over all of the People of the earth at that time and also became a Priest unto God for all of the people of the Earth.

The Twelve princes of the 12 tribes of Israel also operated under the same principle as Shem operated as a priest between the people and God. The dedication of the Sanctuary of the Tabernacle was carried out by the Princes of the twelve tribes of Israel, see Numbers 7, in the pattern portrayed by Shem, as Melchizedekel in Genesis 14. The covenant entered into by God with the 12 tribes of Israel at Mt Sinai was that they would become Priests unto the Lord in the Order of Melchizedekel as the covenant entered was to establish a kingdom of Priests and a Holy Nation unto the Lord.

Christ became the first Priest unto God at the beginning of the Millennium Age in the order of Melchizedekel as given at Mt Sinai and when God made like new again the Mt Sinai covenant of a Kingdom of Priest and a Holy Nation, Israel too will be a kingdom of Priests operating in the Order of Melchizedekel as well.

As a Kingdom of Priests, the role of the Nation of Israel will be to operate as a priest to instruct the people living about each of the Priest of the Kingdom of priest covenant that is to be renewed in our near future about the Salvation Covenant that existed at the time that Adam and Eve were formed at the end of the sixth "period of time" during the creation story and has now been refurbished and made like new again for all of the people of the earth to respond too.

The "Old" and the "New" covenant will fade in their significance as the Salvation Covenant is preached for the salvation of the lost Souls being drawn into God's everlasting Kingdom.

This is a very different understanding of God's Salvation covenant with Mankind.

I have heard this, my thing is- we know Shem's genealogy. Melchizedek has no genealogy. Thank you for sharing. God Bless!

 

[Jay Ross]

I have heard this, my thing is- we know Shem's genealogy. Melchizedek has no genealogy. Thank you for sharing. God Bless!

Is Hebrews 7:3 referring to Christ or is it referring to Melchizedek as having no genealogy?

I would suggest that a view has been generated which is not consistent with what has been written.

I would also suggest that Melchizedek does have a genealogy but that the Bible is silent on those details by using another name for "Shem" when we are told that Melchizedek came out to meet him as he returned from rescuing Lot.

We know from the Genesis Patriarchal genealogies that Shen lived outlived Abraham by around 35 years and that Jacob was around 40 years of aged when Shem died just before Jacob was sent by his father and mother off to Haran to Laban's household to find a wife.

From the Oral traditions we know that the Land of Canaan was set aside by Lot to Shem and his descendants and after the death of Noah, Shem may well have travelled to Canaan, some sixteen years before Abraham, to the area of land that had been allocated to him to occupy. Again the bible itself is silent on this aspect of the Biblical story.

Abraham's genealogy is derived from Shem which means that Shem's/Melchizedek's genealogy is not derived from Abraham.

 

[SongoftheLamb]

We know Melchizedek 'was made like unto' the Son in that he is set forth as a likeness of the one he was made to represent (even Jesus Christ) who is the high priest of our own profession. 'Called of God a high priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek' (Hebrews 5:10). And if the law 'having shadow of' the good things to come but just not the very image of things might omit things such as beginning or end of days (showing without them) it might be to better serve who they represent, which in this case would be Jesus Christ.

That might be why there is no recording of Melchizedek's genealogy in letters, whether of his birth or his death (as such a one shown before in Abraham, as Priest of the Most high God, but more specifically a Priest before the levitical priesthood).

Melchizedek bringing forth 'the bread and the wine' (showing 'his body').

 

[n2thelight]

Hebrews 7:1 "For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;"

"Salem" in the Hebrew tongue means "peace". Melchisedec was without a beginning, and there is no end to His life. He is supernatural. Genesis 14 gives us the record of Abraham going to battle with the kings of Sodom and Gomorrah, and three other kings, against Chedorlaomer, as well as kings that were his allies. Abraham joined with these men of Sodom because the people of Chedorlaomer and their allies had war and over ran Sodom and the cities surrounding it. Chedorlaomer took many people captive, in which Lot, Abraham's nephew and his family were part of the captives.

Ref. Genesis 14: Chedolaomer - 3540 Kedorla` omer (ked-or-law-o'-mer); of foreign origin; Kedorlaomer, an early Persian king: KJV-- Chedorlaomer.

After the battle there were many spoils from the lands that Abraham and his allied armies had conquered, and when the kings of Sodom and Gomorrah and their allies divided up the spoils of the battle, Abraham wanted nothing except that which was lots in the first place.

Genesis 14:16 "And he brought back all the goods, and also brought again his brother Lot, and his goods, and the women also, and the people."

Genesis 14:17 "And the king of Sodom went out to me him after his return from the slaughter of Chedorlaomer, and of the kings that were with him, at the valley of Shaveh, which is the king's dale."

Genesis 14:18 "(And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the MOST HIGH GOD."

Genesis 14:19 "And He blessed him, and said, "Blessed be Abram of the MOST HIGH GOD, Possessor of heaven and earth."

Hebrews 7:2 "To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all: first being by interpretation king of righteousness, and after that also king of Salem, which is, King of peace;"

"A tenth part of all" is the "tithe", and this word comes from the Hebrew tongue.

Genesis 14:20 "And blessed be the MOST HIGH GOD, Which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand." And he gave Him tithes of all.)"

"Melchizedec" [in the Greek is spelt "Melchisedec] is the priest of the "MOST HIGH GOD", and is also called "the King of Righteousness, the King of Peace [Salem] and the One deserving of the tithe."

Hebrews 7:3 "Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually."

Our Heavenly Father is not natural, but He is a supernatural entity. He had no pedigree showing His authority, he just showed up before Abraham, yet Abraham knew Him, and that the tithe was deserving to Him.

Melchisedec was made like the Son of God, Jesus Christ. Remember this giving of the tithe took place almost two thousand years before the birth of Jesus, from the womb of the Virgin Mary. The reason that Melchisedec looked like the Son of God, was that He was the Son of God. This should not be a problem of understanding that this King of peace and righteousness was Christ, because there is only one that will fit this description in the entire Bible.

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[SongoftheLamb]

Here is another confirmation also

Gen 8:17 And the LORD said,
Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do

Seeing that Abraham was a prophet (Gen 20:7)

Amos said,

Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing,
but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

God speaking by the prophet Hosea reveals how God has spoken to us by the prophets

Hosea 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions,
and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.

Touched upon here also

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

In times past he has spoken to the fathers by the same (but in these last days by His Son) Heb 1:2 (who also at the first opened his mouth in parables)

So the one (Melchisedec)who was made like unto the Son of God was after a similitude (Heb 7:15) as shown to us in the law in Abraham (while Levi was still in Abraham's loins). Whereas our Lord would later spring out of Judah (of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning the priesthood Heb 7:4.

For example,

Heb 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

Heb 7:15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

As THAT is evident it is yet FAR MORE EVIDENT that AFTER THE SIMILITUDE of Melchisedec ariseth another priest, as is set forth in Psalm 110:4 God is swearing it about Christ himself

As pointed out Christ is the King of kings, Christ is our peace, and is made unto us our righteousness, which things can similarly be shown in Melchisedec (Heb 7:1) There are few things more enjoyable than being able to see (whether in part or more fully) all the wonderful things in there concerning him (who comes in the volume of the book).

 

[Jay Ross]

Are we attempting to read too much into the Role of Melchisedec. He was the Prince of a People Group by birth and he was also their Priest who acted on behalf of the people as a priest who were born out of his loins. If Melchisedec was Shem as the Jewish Oral Tradition suggests, then Melchisedec was a "high" Priest and Abraham recognised his priestly authority by giving him a tenth of every material thing in his possession. If Jesus is our Prince/King over us, then he is also our Priest/High Priest similar to the Priesthood that Melchisedec exercised when Melchisedec came out to meet Abraham in Genesis 14.

Jesus is the Prince/king of our "tribe" being the first born of our tribe then as such in a similar fashion to Melchisedec, He is also our Priest/"High" Priest.

He is the Priest of the better/refreshed Salvation Covenant which has been in force since the time of Adam and Eve, and which is still applicable for us all today to respond too. In Daniel 9:24, it was the Salvation Covenant that God promised that He would make a new way for the sins of the people to be redeemed so that salvation was a more sure thing.

 

[101G]

So the one (Melchisedec)who was made like unto the Son of God was after a similitude

if he's made like unto the Son then he's not the Son.

Peace in Christ Jesus, Yeshua.

 

[DPMartin]

no absolutely not, and Heb 7:2 proves nothing:

before Heb 7:2 Paul says:

Heb 6:20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.


when Melchizedek visited Abraham its said that Melchizedek visited Abraham:
Gen_14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.


and there was no acknowledgment of Melchizedek being Abraham's Lord:


when the Lord visited Abraham it is said the Lord visited Abraham, and Abraham acknowledged Him as his Lord:


Gen 18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; 2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, 3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:

 

[pastor marty]

I don't believe they are the same person
#1. U said in the PDF, "father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, like the Son of God He remains a Priest forever". it's just that they don't have his birth records.

#2. U said in the PDF, "the Lord, and angel can not be a High Priest. That would be angel worship".
take note, Melchizedek was not a high priest, only a priest of the MOST HIGH.

Peace in Christ Jesus.

& we can B priests 4ever after the order of Mel'k...read that somewhere ! <m>

 

[101G]

& we can B priests 4ever after the order of Mel'k...read that somewhere ! <m>

GINOLJC, first thanks for the response. yes, that's right, your correst. OT and NT. first OT, by the prophet, and king, David, Psalms 110:4 "The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek". this was confirmed by the writer of Hebrews, Hebrews 7:20 "And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest: 21 "(For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec 22 "By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. 23 "And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death".

NT, 1 Peter 2:9 "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light". Revelation 1:6 "And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen".

an unchanging priesthood. with the forever High priest, Jesus the Christ.

PCY

 

[Jay Ross]

I was wondering if, the princes of the 12 tribes of Israel were acting as Priests after the order of Melchisedec before God entered in the Kingdom of Priests and a Holy Nation and a Possession among the nations Covenant at Mt Sinai, because it was the young men from all of the tribes that acted as priests and sacrificed the animals with which the nation sanctified their covenantal undertaking with God before they rebelled.

After they rebelled, and Moses interceded for the nation of Israel, God entered into a Mosaic Covenant with Moses, where the Levites were to become the Priests for the nation of Israel and Aaron and his descendants would hold the position of High Priest within this priesthood. This Mosaic Covenant had a sunset clause in it in that when the seed of Abraham arrived, i.e. Jesus, this covenant was no longer in play.

 

[Davy]

Here are the key verses in Hebrews 7 that shows exactly who is being spoken of in the previous Hebrew 7 verses:

Heb 7:13-14
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
KJV

Melchizedek who met Abraham was Jesus in the Old Testament. The role of Melchizedek represents Christ's Role as King/Priest BEFORE... the Levitical priesthood ever existed, and before He was born through flesh woman's womb. The reason why God said Jesus is forever a priest after the order of Melchizedek in Ps.110 is because that priesthood represents Jesus' position as High Priest since... forever, even before the foundation of the world.

 

[101G]

Here are the key verses in Hebrews 7 that shows exactly who is being spoken of in the previous Hebrew 7 verses:

Heb 7:13-14
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
KJV

Melchizedek who met Abraham was Jesus in the Old Testament. The role of Melchizedek represents Christ's Role as King/Priest BEFORE... the Levitical priesthood ever existed, and before He was born through flesh woman's womb. The reason why God said Jesus is forever a priest after the order of Melchizedek in Ps.110 is because that priesthood represents Jesus' position as High Priest since... forever, even before the foundation of the world.

not saying that you're right or wrong, but consider this. Melchizedek was a priest, NOT a High Priest. the Lord Jesus is the High Priest.

 

[Davy]

not saying that you're right or wrong, but consider this. Melchizedek was a priest, NOT a High Priest. the Lord Jesus is the High Priest.

Since God said in Ps.110 that Jesus is 'for ever a priest after the order of Melchizedek', then there can be no other priest higher. To think Melchizedek as a separate entity than Jesus Himself before He came in the flesh is to assign imperfection to Jesus, pointing away from the fact that Jesus is GOD.

I guess I should try to be even more... specific, since this is a kind of mystery dealing with an eternal matter.

If we think of Melchizedek as some flesh born priest/king that only existed in the time of Abraham, that thinking brings up many conflicts with how God's Word relates the order of Melchizedek with eternality.

The Hebrews 7:13-14 verses really are enough to settle the matter that Melchizedek was our Lord Jesus in OT times, because it reveals Jesus is Whom the previous Heb.7 verses were talking about:

Heb 7:13-14
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
KJV

I don't think that very difficult to understand at all that the Hebrew 7:1-12 verses were speaking of our Lord Jesus. Wheww... too, because I don't like to think of any other than God that could be without beginning or end, no mother or father, etc., but made like unto The Son of God, and most of all, "abideth a priest continually" (meaning He never stopped being a Priest).

 

[Taken]

This is a PDF. I have posted this elsewhere. Only a few got it. Curious to know how those here view this. Should be great debate and discussion God Bless!​

 

[Taken]

This is a PDF. I have posted this elsewhere. Only a few got it. Curious to know how those here
view this. Should be great debate and discussion God Bless!​

John 8
56: Your father Abraham WAS glad to see MY DAY: and he SAW it, and WAS Glad.

Heb 7
2: Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who MET Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and
BLESSED him.

God Bless,
Taken